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XStreamHD Press Conference


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#26 OFFLINE   ccr1958

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 02:10 PM

was watching fox biz channel a few mornings ago & the CEO of
netflix said they plan to offer a box to DL movies for immediate
viewing on a TV sometime this year

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 04:19 PM

ebatlz?


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Posted 09 January 2008 - 04:36 PM

If you haven't been to their website:
http://www.xstreamhd.com/

Check it out.

Right now I am getting approvals from them to post some of the material we got at CES.

One key point that has been missed: (it is in the docs that I want to post soon)

"The introductory price for a complete XStreamHD home solution, including a Media Server and a Media Receiver, is available to initial subscribers starting at just $399"

I think the comparisons to VOOM are not completely fair.
Yes, it is simlar that it is HD via SAT... but past that... I think is were it stops.

I definently see this as an option when compared to the continued HD-DVD vs BluRay debate.... as depending on the service price, and the pricing model for the service.....

It may be VERY advantageous for this service vs ~$30 for optical "HD" media formats.

It at least intresting enough to keep me from running out and buying a blu-ray player.


What is the monthly $?
Who is this "Vod Kanockers" that you speak of?

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 07:07 PM

I wonder if you can get the hardware and not sign up for the service (i am assuming no) $400 for a pretty dnla server w/ 500 gb of storage, ota tuners, etc. is a good deal

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 07:23 PM

So, if I missed this please let me know, but do you get to keep the movies once downloaded and watch them as often as you may want?

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 07:24 PM

If you haven't been to their website:
http://www.xstreamhd.com/

Check it out.

Right now I am getting approvals from them to post some of the material we got at CES.

One key point that has been missed: (it is in the docs that I want to post soon)

"The introductory price for a complete XStreamHD home solution, including a Media Server and a Media Receiver, is available to initial subscribers starting at just $399"

I think the comparisons to VOOM are not completely fair.
Yes, it is simlar that it is HD via SAT... but past that... I think is were it stops.

I definently see this as an option when compared to the continued HD-DVD vs BluRay debate.... as depending on the service price, and the pricing model for the service.....

It may be VERY advantageous for this service vs ~$30 for optical "HD" media formats.

It at least intresting enough to keep me from running out and buying a blu-ray player.


Earl can you let them know there a few people that would love to test this for them and give them feedback :D
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:24 PM

What?


Comments?
This was most likely what the Seagate CEO was talking about when he said: "Bluray may have won the battle, but will lose the war".

Seagates take on the whole mess
http://ces.cnet.com/...ag=2547-1_3-0-5


In 10 years maybe.



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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:26 PM

What is the monthly $?


The question was asked at the press conference...

Their answer: A mix between monthly and PPV models...
But no specific $$ were given
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:26 PM

Earl can you let them know there a few people that would love to test this for them and give them feedback :D


Oh... they know you all would.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:28 PM

Comments?
This was most likely what the Seagate CEO was talking about when he said: "Bluray may have won the battle, but will lose the war".


DING DING....

For me as a consumer.... I am still so turned off by the costs of the optical HD Media based movies.... I only own about 5 HD-DVD's... wouldn't even have those, if I didn't get the drive as a gift (basically with gift cards) for the XBOX360

If this product performs even remotely close to what they are selling....
You will see it become a viable discussion point when discussing the distribution of HD movies.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:31 PM

So, if I missed this please let me know, but do you get to keep the movies once downloaded and watch them as often as you may want?


They way they said it work... is multi-fold...

It will be part pre-request... then pushed when available...
AKA, once they know a movie will be available to them... you can tell them.. "hey I want that"... when they get the okay from the content provider, it will be pushed to your box.

It will have basically a "suggestion" learning type system (like TiVo's to some degree... not sure if it is the same, or you have to pre-determin it), that it will learn what you like... and pre-download those to the drive.

It will then have PPV/OnDemand type offerings.

So will it always be on your drive? Don't know...
And until we hear about the PPV model, don't know if it will be there "forever" either.

It could be very similar to a DVD rental model... were you can watch as much as you want, until you have to return it.

But since the pricing/service model has not been revealed... everything could be different... and the above is just speculating into what I heard during the press conference...
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:32 PM

I wonder if you can get the hardware and not sign up for the service (i am assuming no) $400 for a pretty dnla server w/ 500 gb of storage, ota tuners, etc. is a good deal


I am going to say that chances are very small on that.

As even with today's prices... $400 is going to be at a loss on the actual cost of the units, and of course the R&D on the product.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:38 PM

DING DING....

For me as a consumer.... I am still so turned off by the costs of the optical HD Media based movies.... I only own about 5 HD-DVD's... wouldn't even have those, if I didn't get the drive as a gift (basically with gift cards) for the XBOX360

If this product performs even remotely close to what they are selling....
You will see it become a viable discussion point when discussing the distribution of HD movies.


The delivery method for DLP cinemas is via sat or OC line

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:40 PM

The delivery method for DLP cinemas is via sat or OC line


Your are completely correct....
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:21 PM

Seems like products such as this are exactly what the writers are striking over right now.
Who is this "Vod Kanockers" that you speak of?

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:23 PM

Seems like products such as this are exactly what the writers are striking over right now.


I thought they were striking because they want a bigger cut of the INTERNET versions of the programs...

The xStreamHD model, is a LOT closer to the DVD Rental/PPV business
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:31 PM

I'm a bit concerned this will end up going the way of Voom... Definately sounds interesting though.


Cant go the way of Voom, you would need to find a father and son that fight with each other and dont give a damn about the customer :eek2:

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 11:12 PM

I thought they were striking because they want a bigger cut of the INTERNET versions of the programs...

The xStreamHD model, is a LOT closer to the DVD Rental/PPV business


I think it's about new delivery methods, both known (such as Internet) and unknown, which are not covered by the current contracts.
Who is this "Vod Kanockers" that you speak of?

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:35 AM

So will it always be on your drive? Don't know...
And until we hear about the PPV model, don't know if it will be there "forever" either.

I would be amazed if you got to "keep" movies. The studios have given every indication that they would like a business model where you effectively PPV for each view. From their perspective, Divx (the DVD-like format) was a good thing...:nono2:

What may make the studios bend their preferences somewhat in favor of this provider/mechanism is that this gives them a chance to poke Apple in the eye. I strongly suspect that Macworld is going to yield an amp'ed-up AppleTV combined with some form of downloadable rental model. The described XStream unit and delivery method end-run that pretty effectively.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:46 AM

The ownership/rent/PPV model will all depend upon the studios in conjunction with XStreamHD. I can see many options being possible, such as a time-based viewing right, number of viewings based price, and full ownership of the library item option. Done right, all models could work for any movie. Transformers I might buy outright; others only rent for a few showings. And first run might be a one day PPV until it's released for owning.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:48 AM

Also, the XStream system sounds like a steroid version of Disney's failed MovieBeam VOD system. MovieBeam distributed movies down to a DVR-like box via digital signals on PBS OTA broadcast channels. Movies accumulated on your particular box, based on availability. You could then choose to view (and pay for) any of the movies that were presently loaded on your box. Overtime, older movies would be replaced with newer movies. The PPV fee varied based on the expected popularity/age/etc. of the movie and the format (SD/HD) it was in.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:17 AM

SteveInNC, do you recall why that failed in the marketplace? That would be an interesting case for XstreamHD to learn from.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:59 AM

SteveInNC, do you recall why that failed in the marketplace? That would be an interesting case for XstreamHD to learn from.

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I don't know any specifics. I do know that they might have had trouble getting PBS affiliates for sufficient nationwide coverage. I was very interested in the product at the time, but they didn't offer it in my area (Raleigh, NC - UNC Public TV). In some quick Googling around, it appears that they may also have had PQ issues. Disney sold it off in 2006 to another company affiliated with Intel and Cisco , which then shut the service down in December 2007. Here is an EnGadget link to several articles across the history of MovieBeam: link.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 06:21 AM

DING DING....

For me as a consumer.... I am still so turned off by the costs of the optical HD Media based movies.... I only own about 5 HD-DVD's... wouldn't even have those, if I didn't get the drive as a gift (basically with gift cards) for the XBOX360

If this product performs even remotely close to what they are selling....
You will see it become a viable discussion point when discussing the distribution of HD movies.


I don't by that many movies DVD or HDM. I don't re-watch that many movies, but I do rent a lot of the from Netflix and getting tried of the increasing waiting game with Netflix.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 06:27 AM

I would be amazed if you got to "keep" movies. The studios have given every indication that they would like a business model where you effectively PPV for each view. From their perspective, Divx (the DVD-like format) was a good thing...:nono2:

What may make the studios bend their preferences somewhat in favor of this provider/mechanism is that this gives them a chance to poke Apple in the eye. I strongly suspect that Macworld is going to yield an amp'ed-up AppleTV combined with some form of downloadable rental model. The described XStream unit and delivery method end-run that pretty effectively.


If the rumors hold true, and hope not, I will be somewhat disappointed with the Apple rental model. I heard you will only get to keep them 24 hours and they will be $3.99. I think that is too short of a time and way too much for a downloaded movie.
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