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#1 OFFLINE   terrymr

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:37 PM

Does anyone know what DISH will do after 3/31/08 when SKY ANGEL ceases DBS broadcasting. I can't get any info from DISH. I would like them to carry at least the same channels as DIRECT TV.

I just received a letter from SA alluding that DISH will carry Angel1, Angel 2, and KTV.

Anyone have any info.


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Posted 16 February 2008 - 07:32 PM

the only letter I received from SA was the undated, no return address letter from sa telling me that lifetime membership not continue,

someone needs to get legal advice on this, don't you think?

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 09:55 PM

Most of the channels (if not all) that DirecTV carries are carried as paying PI channels at a special rate. Because of their contract with SkyAngel DISH has not been able to add religious channels as PIs and has been forced to add other channels instead (there are legal minimums for the number of PIs DISH and DirecTV must have).

After SkyAngel leaves satellite the contract dies and DISH will be able to add religious channels at will ... but the PI slots are taken. Perhaps they will work something out with a few broadcasters to give them PI rates to remain on DISH ... I expect that they are still making those deals (which is why we don't hear anything - DISH generally doesn't discuss new channels in negotiation). But I don't expect DirecTV's lineup to appear on DISH.

I hope whatever lineup DISH pulls off is better than DirecTV or SkyAngel.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:26 PM

I would pay $10-20 a month just to have TVU, RADIOU, SpiritTV and the Worship Network on Dish!

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 07:32 AM

Most of the channels (if not all) that DirecTV carries are carried as paying PI channels at a special rate. Because of their contract with SkyAngel DISH has not been able to add religious channels as PIs and has been forced to add other channels instead (there are legal minimums for the number of PIs DISH and DirecTV must have).

After SkyAngel leaves satellite the contract dies and DISH will be able to add religious channels at will ... but the PI slots are taken. Perhaps they will work something out with a few broadcasters to give them PI rates to remain on DISH ... I expect that they are still making those deals (which is why we don't hear anything - DISH generally doesn't discuss new channels in negotiation). But I don't expect DirecTV's lineup to appear on DISH.

I hope whatever lineup DISH pulls off is better than DirecTV or SkyAngel.


Thanks for the explanation

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 07:33 AM

Thanks for the explanation

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What if DISH made a new package of the fromer Sky Angel Channels?

They are almost all FREE TO CARRY.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 11:15 AM

I'm sure the channels would allow themselves to be carried free, but DISH charges for their transponder space. (So does DirecTV, for that matter.) A best case scenario would be getting enough subscribers to pay for a "religious" package to pay for that transponder space ... but at $150,000* per transponder completely carrying the old SkyAngel service would cost $300,000 per month (or at 12 video channels per transponder, $12,500 per channel per month).

So either DISH would have to market this, and charge enough for the service that the number of subscribers would break even and create a profit ($10/mo would require 30k subscribers to break even - more for a profit) or DISH more simply could just charge the channels $12,500 each for carriage and let them do their own fundraising (at THEIR risk) to be distributed by DISH.

It sounds mercenary ... but satellite carriage is a business and charging for space is EXACTLY what DISH and DirecTV does with nearly all of their "Public Interest" channels (some may compensate the satellite carriers in other ways).

And, toward what was the stated goal of SkyAngel to fulfill the great commission, getting the message on DISH via a method where people don't have to pay in advance to hear the Word of God. :)

* Transponder cost based on what NPS is charging to lease a transponder for Distant Network TV, as reported in court documents.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 11:31 AM

I'm sure the channels would allow themselves to be carried free, but DISH charges for their transponder space. (So does DirecTV, for that matter.) A best case scenario would be getting enough subscribers to pay for a "religious" package to pay for that transponder space ... but at $150,000* per transponder completely carrying the old SkyAngel service would cost $300,000 per month (or at 12 video channels per transponder, $12,500 per channel per month).

So either DISH would have to market this, and charge enough for the service that the number of subscribers would break even and create a profit ($10/mo would require 30k subscribers to break even - more for a profit) or DISH more simply could just charge the channels $12,500 each for carriage and let them do their own fundraising (at THEIR risk) to be distributed by DISH.

It sounds mercenary ... but satellite carriage is a business and charging for space is EXACTLY what DISH and DirecTV does with nearly all of their "Public Interest" channels (some may compensate the satellite carriers in other ways).

And, toward what was the stated goal of SkyAngel to fulfill the great commission, getting the message on DISH via a method where people don't have to pay in advance to hear the Word of God. :)

* Transponder cost based on what NPS is charging to lease a transponder for Distant Network TV, as reported in court documents.


Thanks so much.

I am learning a lot.


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Posted 17 February 2008 - 03:12 PM

It appears that dish is planning on either a Christian package and/or adding a few Christian channels to the existing family package. another month or so will tell. If the person who recieved the card calls the phone # for skyangel they may get more info :)

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 03:35 PM

After all, SkyAngel has always been an excellent source of factual information. :rolleyes:

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 05:33 PM

True BUT skyangel is sending out flyers/cards offing to sign you up for DISH if you can't receive IPTV. They state tht you will then be able to receive angel 1, angel 2 AND KTV. therefore skyangel must know something.............

Of course they are proably gettting the $50 referral fee or something

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 05:38 PM

Just to make sure people understand that not all religious channels are leaving Dish on 3/31, here is a list of religious channels that will stay:

Religious:
260 TBN 119°
261 EWTN 119°
262 Angel One 119° (This channel will remain on Dish)
263 Daystar 119°
9408 Starfish TV Network 61.5°/129°
9413 Almavision 61.5°/129° (spanish)
9417 Educator TV 61.5°/148° (many classic TV and movie shows)
9710 3ABN 61.5°/129°

Channels owned by religious organizations:
9403 Brigham Young University TV
9416 Good Samaritan Network 61.5°/148°

The four "family" channels on Sky Angel have also been on Dish for some time:
Hallmark
Hallmark Movie Channel
HGTV
Fox News

The only problem is really "packaging" at this point, but the "family pack" along with the Public Interest pack will give you most of these.

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For the life of me I will never understand why people will pay hundreds and thousands of dollars on a TV that provides the clearest, sharpest, most realistic picture possible and then, voluntarily, distort the image!

"Dish Channel Chart"
"Local Channels available and coming to Dish"
"TV Market Maps"

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 12:58 AM

If I am reading your post correctly though those channel are on a total of 4 different satellites. How would we be able to receive them all?

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 02:11 AM

Actually anyone with a dish 500 pointed at 119°/110° and another at 61.5° would be able to get them all.

Some are at 119°
A couple are at 110°
Some are at 61.5°

Some of the channels at 61.5° are mirrored at 129°, others are mirrored at 148°.

Most of the country can get 61.5°.
For the life of me I will never understand why people will pay hundreds and thousands of dollars on a TV that provides the clearest, sharpest, most realistic picture possible and then, voluntarily, distort the image!

"Dish Channel Chart"
"Local Channels available and coming to Dish"
"TV Market Maps"

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:56 AM

Actually anyone with a dish 500 pointed at 119°/110° and another at 61.5° would be able to get them all.

Some are at 119°
A couple are at 110°
Some are at 61.5°

Some of the channels at 61.5° are mirrored at 129°, others are mirrored at 148°.

Most of the country can get 61.5°.


I know my comments in the past regarding sky angel have been pretty negitive,,,,

but i cant wait till March 31 to see them off Dish..,,
dish will carry new christian channels ,,,
Why would they not....
Direct tv offers a good selection of christian channels why push someone to the competitor when they have the equipment in there house......

Dish will probley come up with a promo where you get a new dish and will install it for free.... they dont want to lose potential customers.,....

With that being said ,,,,, March 31 hurry up already......

Only other important date to remember is March 30 wrestlemania Sunday... ha ha
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 07:46 PM

Well I called DISH and DISH told me NO, they will NOT carry angel 2 or ktv. Even spoke with a "supervisor".

Called sky angel and they told me YES, anel 1,2 and ktv will be on dish FAMILY and that I could sign up though SKYANGEL for $24.99 a month!

so either dish is WRONG and they will be including the sky angel channels on the family package and raising the price OR this is a special available ONLY through sky angel. if that is the case then sky angel is indeed still in the DBS business.

Guess what that SHOULD mean? sky angel should, have to provide those 3 channels to lifetime members! A far cry from what we signed up for but still..........

Of course sky angel insists that lifetime is ended but this makes it appear we might just have more of a leg to stand on!

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 09:03 PM

The $24.99 price would include local channels. Without locals it's 19.99.

I too have received conflicting stories on the fate of Angel 2 and KTV. Dominion says it's staying on Dish. Dish reps say they aren't.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 03:19 PM

The $24.99 price would include local channels. Without locals it's 19.99.

I too have received conflicting stories on the fate of Angel 2 and KTV. Dominion says it's staying on Dish. Dish reps say they aren't.

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I do not, I repeat do not have any inside info, but my guess is that E* will likely add these channels on April 1. E* csr's and csr supervisors are not high enough up the corporate food chain to know one way or other. If Sky Angel is publicly saying this, their is probably something to it, we all know how tight lipped E* can be when it comes to adding new channels. I could be wrong on all of this but I also suspect these channels will be added to all the basic packages, I suspect Sky Angel only mentioned DishFamily because it is the cheapest basic package and the one they feel the majority of their subs would be interested in. I also suspect that this was part of the deal when E* negotiated with SA to take over those 6 frequency's permanently.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 05:05 PM

I don't know. I asked sky angel about the "locals" as Dish says I can't receive locals in my area. sky angel said its the dish family plus sky angel channels for $24.99.

dish told me I can get the dish family, NO sky angel other than angel 1 for $19.99.

someone doesn't know what is going on, despite the current flyer and letter

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 06:03 PM

Once again, I would not trust SkyAngel to be an expert on DISH Network pricing.
DISH Family is a $24.99 w/locals package.
DISH Family is a $19.99 w/o locals package that currently contains Angel 1.

Trying to piece together the future from tea leaves in the bottom of a cup of hot chocolate is silly - especially if one makes emotional comments and decisions based on obviously flawed information.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 06:52 PM

ok, but DISH states that they will not carry angel 2 or KTV..........

What do you make of this?

You have been connected to (05-03) Matt G.
(05-03) Matt G: Thank you for choosing Dish Network the leader in DVR and HD. How may I assist you?
****: I am a current lifetime subscriber for sky angel. I will not be subscribing to IPTV. sky angel is not trying to sell me a DISH package.
(05-03) Matt G: ********** is not bringing up a account, would your account happen to be under another phone number?
(05-03) Matt G: Ok, one moment.
****: What channels would be on the dish package besides the ones they mentioned, angel 1, angel 2 and ktv?
****: *********
(05-03) Matt G: Ok.
(05-03) Matt G: One moment please.
(05-03) Matt G: We do have Angel one and two and Ktv.
(05-03) Matt G: We have a package named the Dish Family package that carries our most viewed family programming.
******: what package will they be on? What happens to my lifetime membership? It seems like they want to charge me again for the same channels I already have
(05-03) Matt G: The Dish Family package is $19.99 per month.
****: angel 2 and ktv are not listed on the family package, when will they be added?
(05-03) Matt G: One moment.
(05-03) Matt G: Yes you are correct at this time we do not know if Angel 2 will be added to our existing channel line up, also the only TV channel that we offer is a international one, a Tamil-language channel.
*****: will angel 1, 2 and ktv be available on any of the other packages?
(05-03) Matt G: Not at this time.
****: They why is sky angle offing to sign people up for dish , stating that we can continue to receive those channels via dish network?
(05-03) Matt G: The only KTV channel that we have is a internation channel KTV, a Tamil-language channel.
******: my acct # is *************
(05-03) Matt G: You may be able to thru Sky Angel, we do not have information on what they are currently offering.
*****: which phone # do yo have listed for it?
(05-03) Matt G: ********* (the first # I gave him!).
******: You don't understand , sky angel is offering to sign people up for DISH network if they can't or won't get the new IPTV service. they clearly stated that I would be able to receive angel 1, angel 2 and ktv. are you saying that is not true?
(05-03) Matt G: One moment.
(05-03) Matt G: One moment.
(05-03) Matt G: It more then likely is true, however you would need to call Sky Angel to set it up.
(05-03) Matt G: Dominion / Sky Angel
800-759-2643
(05-03) Matt G: Please call the above phone number for further information.
*******: why would I need to purchase dishnetwork programming though sky angel? I already purchased a lifetime subscription though them that they won't honor
(05-03) Matt G: Ok.
(05-03) Matt G: The agreement that Sky Angel is offering to you is the only way to continue to receive all three of those channels.
******: No, its NOT ok. I can't even get a straight answer out of you
(05-03) Matt G: WE do not directly offer those channels on a package.
(05-03) Matt G: On the Dish Family package we have Angel one, but not Angel two or KTV.
(05-03) Matt G: Is there anything else I can do for you?
*********: then who would I be paying, sky angel or dish? if sky angel then Why would I have to pay them for what I already receive via my lifetime package? what package would I be getting from dominion>?
(05-03) Matt G: One moment.
(05-03) Matt G: The only information that I have in this department is that Sky Angel was going completely to IPTV service.
(05-03) Matt G: Our Dish network commercial department handles the Sky Angel and Dominion packages.
*****: What happens to my service when that occurs? date?
(05-03) Matt G: The only information that I have in this department is that Sky Angel was going completely to IPTV service.
(05-03) Matt G: Our Dish network commercial department handles the Sky Angel and Dominion packages.
*******: What happens to my service when that occurs? date?
(05-03) Matt G: I would need to give you our commercial departments phone number.
******: please give me a phone # to someone who knows what is going on.......
(05-03) Matt G: Please call Commercial 1-800-454-0843.
(05-03) Matt G: The commercial department has always handled those packages.
(05-03) Matt G: They should be able to explain what options are still available to you.
(05-03) Matt G: You are all set. Is there anything else I can do for you?
(05-03) Matt G: Are you still there?

****: yes, just copying the transcrpt for future reference
(05-03) Matt G: Ok.
(05-03) Matt G: Is there anything else I can do for you?
******: no
05-03) Matt G: Thank you for using Dish Network Live Chat. Have a great day.
Thank you for visiting Dish Network. You may now close this window.
Your session has ended. You may now close this window.

I then called the "commercial phone #" for dish commercial:

Called, this is what I was told by dish commercial CS "giselle?":

There is no such offering for a dish package to carry angel 2 and ktv. Dish currently offers a different ktv which is a foreign language program

They have no channels scheduled to be added as updates to family package or other pkgs that are currently on sky angel, including angel 2 or ktv.

They will no longer do any programing changes or turn on sky angel customers. I guess that means if someones box goes out now, too bad

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 07:47 PM

ok, but DISH states that they will not carry angel 2 or KTV..........

What do you make of this?

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They have no channels scheduled to be added as updates to family package or other pkgs that are currently on sky angel, including angel 2 or ktv.

They will no longer do any programing changes or turn on sky angel customers. I guess that means if someones box goes out now, too bad

As mentioned MANY times before ... DISH DOES NOT DISCUSS POTENTIAL CHANNEL ADDITIONS UNLESS THERE HAS BEEN SOME SORT OF ANNOUNCEMENT.

If you don't understand that, please re-read it until you do.

No amount of YOU telling a CSR what to agree with will change that fact. You are asking a DISH CSR to explain the words of a SkyAngel CSR. You might as well called DirecTV and asked one of their CSRs what channels DISH would be adding. Or Verizon Wireless. Or UPS. Or the principle of your kid's school. They would have equal difficulty and just as much authority speaking for SkyAngel as the DISH CSR.

Ask DISH about DISH not about SkyAngel. That is the only system they have any hope of being an authority on ... and don't ask them to guess the future unless it 1) has been announced or 2) you want speculation.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 09:02 PM

giselle the commercial rep told me they have a list of pending and future channels to be added and that those are definitely not on it.

this was not just a dish CSR. It was CS then a supervisor and finally commercial accts.

Sky angel is trying to sell a dish package yet dish says its not available. If the $24.99 is , as some have said dish family plus SA and locals, its should be $19.99 without locals, yet that wasn't an option.

Rather than argue over the information I was given I suggest calling sky angel yourself to find out more about the view sky angel on DISH network offer.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 11:38 PM

Why don't I call DirecTV? ... They would be just as much of an expert on the future plans of DISH as a SkyAngel CSR. :)

Via DISH you are given the accurate options of $19.99 or $24.99 w/locals (if available in your area). Via SkyAngel you were given an apparently inaccurate price for a non-existent service. Guess which CSR I'll trust.

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 01:08 AM

How can it be a "non existant service" if sky angel has sent out mailers and is taking orders?




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