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DBSTalk.com First Look: AM21; OTA Add-On for the HR21


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#26 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 06:34 PM

Those AM21's look pretty ... very nice looking!

Next, we need a disk-less HR2x with a AM21-type eSATA chassis :)

HR2x fails ... just swap out the disk-less HR2x ...

Drive fails ... just swap out the disk in the AM21-type eSATA chassis.

Sorry ... was dreaming for a second ... back to topic ... the AM21!
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#27 OFFLINE   RobertE

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 06:48 PM

Those AM21's look pretty ... very nice looking!

Next, we need a disk-less HR2x with a AM21-type eSATA chassis :)

HR2x fails ... just swap out the disk-less HR2x ...

Drive fails ... just swap out the disk in the AM21-type eSATA chassis.

Sorry ... was dreaming for a second ... back to topic ... the AM21!


I suspect your dream may be in the plans, either through D* or a third party. All that is really needed is a little more height, say 1/2 to 3/4 an inch, place for a drive or two, and voila, a nice eSATA enclosure that matches everything. :D
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 07:23 PM

An excellent job as always. My hat's off to all those involved. Great first look guys! :grin:
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 07:28 PM

I know we don't know a release date or certain price yet, but do we know if this will be a purchase or lease...just curious?


From what I understand... Purchased.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 07:31 PM

Nice work! (to both DirecTV and the field testers here at DBSTalk)
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 07:42 PM

From what I understand... Purchased.


Thanks Earl...got my eye on the 21P so this would be a necessary add-on (still no HD locals for Norfolk and no indication they are coming soon).
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#32 OFFLINE   gulfwarvet

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:01 PM

Nice work guys :D
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:06 PM

What generation is the OTA tuner? Is it better than what's in the HR20?

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:10 PM

What generation is the OTA tuner? Is it better than what's in the HR20?


My opinion is that is the same as the HR20. It works pretty close to my HR20-700. But, my TV tuners works better.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:10 PM

Yes, it's a great design. Very convenient to set up. The biggest challenge was actually whether to put the AM21 on top or under the HR21! :P


Why wasn't it in the HR21 to begin with? - real smooth move on Directv's part to not have a OTA tuner integrated - of course now they can charge extra for it!

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:14 PM

Why wasn't it in the HR21 to begin with? - real smooth move on Directv's part to not have a OTA tuner integrated - of course now they can charge extra for it!


They did that to reduce the cost of the HD DVR. The HR21 is cheaper then the HR20 was. If you need OTA then you can purchase the AM21 add on. There is a lot of people that have no need for OTA.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:16 PM

Nice job on the first look guys!! Keep 'em coming!

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:31 PM

Why wasn't it in the HR21 to begin with? - real smooth move on Directv's part to not have a OTA tuner integrated - of course now they can charge extra for it!


I agree. It should have been there to begin with. It's also sad that Direct TV still can't provide all my locals in HD.
That's one of the reasons i'm staying with dish. Better hardware. I do have an OTA port built in and can record on 3 tuners at once. Which I do from time to time.

Will this add on allow for DVRing from 3 tuners at once? All in HD? Will it integrate seamlessly into the program guide?

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:41 PM

It does integrate seamlessly with the guide....NO ISSUES there!
And, no, it doesn't allow for more than 2 simultaneous recordings (plus VOD, of course).

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:41 PM

I agree. It should have been there to begin with. It's also sad that Direct TV still can't provide all my locals in HD.
That's one of the reasons i'm staying with dish. Better hardware. I do have an OTA port built in and can record on 3 tuners at once. Which I do from time to time.

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Will this add on allow for DVRing from 3 tuners at once?

No & Yes. Two recordings from any of the four tuners (2 sat, 2 OTA) plus 1 from DoD.

All in HD?

Yes

Will it integrate seamlessly into the program guide?

Yes. The guide looks identical to that of HR20s with the OTA channels intergrated where they belong.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:42 PM

Why wasn't it in the HR21 to begin with? - real smooth move on Directv's part to not have a OTA tuner integrated - of course now they can charge extra for it!

DIRECTV determined that they could save money on the cost of the HR21 by removing the OTA tuners, making it easier for customers to acquire the HR21. Still, the total cost of the HR21 and the AM21 is still less than the original cost of the HR20, so cost savings are still realized. To me, this was a smart move by DIRECTV.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:46 PM

My opinion is that is the same as the HR20. It works pretty close to my HR20-700. But, my TV tuners works better.


I was hoping for something better. The tuner in the HR20 is mediocre at best. The one in my Samsung LCD TV is far better.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:05 PM

Great work guys and congrats for being featured on Engadget!

http://www.engadgeth...e-directv-am21/

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:24 PM

Has anyone tried plugging it into their PC and seeing if it will be recognized as a USB device? Would be kinda cool for a PC based OTA solution. I'm sure someone could find the drivers for the tuner chips somewhere!

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:36 PM

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:39 PM

DIRECTV determined that they could save money on the cost of the HR21 by removing the OTA tuners, making it easier for customers to acquire the HR21. Still, the total cost of the HR21 and the AM21 is still less than the original cost of the HR20, so cost savings are still realized. To me, this was a smart move by DIRECTV.

I guess some people figure if DirecTV is giving DVRs away for free then removing a function is somehow gouging the customer.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:42 PM

One thing I don't see mentioned... is there an NTSC tuner mode? It mentions needing to have HD service enabled, but no mention if you can watch/record regular TV if it isn't. Assuming anyone wants to, of course.
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 10:17 PM

One thing I don't see mentioned... is there an NTSC tuner mode? It mentions needing to have HD service enabled, but no mention if you can watch/record regular TV if it isn't. Assuming anyone wants to, of course.

DirecTV's policy is that you need to pay the HD Access fee to access any live or recorded HD programming, including OTA, on the HR2x series. The AM21 is an ATSC/Digital tuner, it does not have NTSC capabilities, so it is useless without paying the HD Access fee.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 10:17 PM

My experience is that the tuner in the AM21 is much better than the one in the HR10. I have not used the OTA tuner in my HR20 so I can't comment on it.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 10:38 PM

One thing I don't see mentioned... is there an NTSC tuner mode? It mentions needing to have HD service enabled, but no mention if you can watch/record regular TV if it isn't. Assuming anyone wants to, of course.

It's ATSC only.. as all OTA broadcasts will be ATSC next year (all tho not all HD) there is no reason to add NTSC tuning..

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