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#26 OFFLINE   bakers12

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 11:00 PM

I tried the search for certain episodes of Star Trek: Voyager. I chose the episode called "The Haunting of Deck Twelve." I found all of the following retrieved the episodes:

AALL STAR TREK VOYAGER HAUNTING
AALL STAR TREK VOYAGER HAUNTING DECK
AALL STAR TREK VOYAGER HAUNTING TTILE
HAUNTING TTITLE (along with plenty of others)

These did not work:

STAR TREK VOYAGER HAUNTING TTITLE
STAR TREK VOYAGER TTITLE HAUNTING
AALL STAR TREK VOYAGER AANY HAUNTING

Also tried AALL STAR TREK VOYAGER SEVEN which worked fine.

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 11:54 PM

This report by bakers12 indicates:
• Both the series name and the episode name are part of the TTITLE.
• Even though the series name precedes the episode name as you read the description, they aren't actually stored in that order (internally) -- as evidenced by the failure of STAR TREK VOYAGER HAUNTING TTITLE.
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Posted 30 August 2008 - 05:39 AM

These did not work:

STAR TREK VOYAGER HAUNTING TTITLE

This didn't work because without AALL or AANY, you requested a literal string of the words "Star Trek Voyager Haunting", like using quotes in a Google search... all the words must appear in exactly that order for the search to match.

Had you used this search instead, it would have worked:

AALL star trek voyager haunting TTITLE

This is asking that all the words be present in the show title, but in no particular order.

STAR TREK VOYAGER TTITLE HAUNTING

I believe this didn't work because the parser didn't know what to do with the word "haunting after TTITLE . When you use TTILE or NNAME, all keywords must be entered before either of those operators (and after AANY , AALL and/or NNOT, if you're using them too).

AALL STAR TREK VOYAGER AANY HAUNTING

Unfortunately, you can only use one AALL or AANY per SEARCH at this time. I'd love to be able to mix and match the two operators to create more powerful SEARCHES. Maybe in the future? :)

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 11:42 AM

Steve said, "... without AALL or AANY, ... [it's] like using quotes in a Google search. All the words must appear in exactly that order for the search to match."

That makes it clearer. To clarify still further: Punctuation in the text being searched is ignored (even dashes). Just as in a Google search.

Using episodes of Two and a Half Men as examples for keyword searches:

SPIT COVERED
SPIT COVERED TTITLE
SPIT COVERED TTITLE & Hi-Def
... all found "Spit-Covered"

YES MONSIGNOR
YES MONSIGNOR TTITLE
YES MONSIGNOR TTITLE & Hi-Def
... all found "Yes, Monsignor"
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Posted 31 August 2008 - 01:17 AM

Is there a way to record only on one channel when there is both a HD and standard version of a channel and the programming isn't explicitly noted as being HD?

For exaple say I want to record a show that is coming on both "Sports South" and "Sports South HD" simultaneusly. Both channels are 649, but in the channel guide one is called "SS" and the other is called "SSHD." The show is NOT a HD show according to the description. According to the scheduler the DVR is going to record both shows at the same time on both channels. I can manually stop the recording of one of those shows, but is there a way to search to only ever record from the "SSHD" channel and ignore the "SS" channel?

Thanks and my apologies if this isn't clear.

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 04:20 AM

Is there a way to record only on one channel when there is both a HD and standard version of a channel and the programming isn't explicitly noted as being HD?

For exaple say I want to record a show that is coming on both "Sports South" and "Sports South HD" simultaneusly. Both channels are 649, but in the channel guide one is called "SS" and the other is called "SSHD." The show is NOT a HD show according to the description. According to the scheduler the DVR is going to record both shows at the same time on both channels. I can manually stop the recording of one of those shows, but is there a way to search to only ever record from the "SSHD" channel and ignore the "SS" channel?

Thanks and my apologies if this isn't clear.

I believe if you select "Hide SD duplicates" under Menu, Setup, System Setup, Display only the HD channel will be recorded.

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 03:01 PM

I believe if you select "Hide SD duplicates" under Menu, Setup, System Setup, Display only the HD channel will be recorded.

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I think that worked. Thanks! :)

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 02:26 PM

Now that there's a 50-character limit on Boolean search expressions, I'd like to suggest allowing, for example:

• "-VOD" as a synonym for "NNOT VOD"
• "#501" as a synonym for "CCHAN 501"
• "TT" as a synonym for "TTITLE"
• "NN" as a synonym for "NNAME"
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 12:41 PM

I've gone away from using the word live in my search strings in favor of the word EVENTS. Anytime a game is tape delayed, you miss it, if the guide data is correct. And by padding my sports programs, I can get post game shows at the same time.


I tried the EVENTS keyword last year and didn't work because they weren't consistent with that keyword on FSN Detroit but they were with Live. None of the Red Wings games are ever tape delayed so no worry there. They are *the* most important thing on that channel for obvious reasons. ;) Probably not the case in most other parts of the country in terms of they hockey team I'd guess.

And yes, I pad by an hour typically, which is why I don't also want it to record the post game separately because I'll get it anyway with the pad.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 11:47 PM

None of the Red Wings games are ever tape delayed so no worry there.


East and mid west people!

Here in LA, they for some reason think its ok to tape delay the lakers when they play in the eastern time zone half the time!!! Screw the fact people are in there cars at 4:30pm... just replay the game after it ends so they can catch it in prime time if you need to!!!

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 09:18 AM

i have a unique one...

I'm a re-located Boston Red Sox fanatic, who subscribes to the MLB Season Ticket. It was always frustrating to me that I couldn't find a good way to tape all the games properly. Now that we have these special advanced search functions, i was able to use the AALL and CCHAN conditions to be able to finally ensure i can tape all Boston Red Sox games from MLB Season Ticket (channels only in the 700 range). As I don't subscribe to the superfan, I only tape the SD versions by using the NNOT HD condition. What this does is record the 1st show in the list it finds.

However, with MLB, at least for the Red Sox, they always have two broadcasts, one from the Sox home station (NESN) and the other from the other team's channel. The advanced search using auto-record always records the 1st condition it finds. Does anyone know any logic surrounding which feed is listed 1st? Unfortunately, the station name is nowhere in the description of the games, so I cannot simply add NESN to the search.

Perhaps adding broadcast networks to the description would be a potential 'wish list' (at least for home town fanatics)?

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:19 AM

Oh God. I am supposed to create, test and debug advanced search queries to properly record my Patriots games? That will take weeks of trial and error to cover all the use cases that change from week to week. I am so sick of this!

If this product was properly designed it would bet smart enough so I could say "Record the Patriots Games". Instead, my DVR decides to record everything BUT the game:

- east coast network feeds that don't work here in la
- shortcuts
- pre-games
- specials

Maybe someone will be kind enough to post an NFL search string. There just aren't enough hours in the day for me to bother with this.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:41 AM

Oh God. I am supposed to create, test and debug advanced search queries to properly record my Patriots games? That will take weeks of trial and error to cover all the use cases that change from week to week. I am so sick of this!

If this product was properly designed it would bet smart enough so I could say "Record the Patriots Games". Instead, my DVR decides to record everything BUT the game:

- east coast network feeds that don't work here in la
- shortcuts
- pre-games
- specials

Maybe someone will be kind enough to post an NFL search string. There just aren't enough hours in the day for me to bother with this.

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Try setting up this KEYWORD SEARCH as an AUTORECORD:
patriots & Show Type, Events

It finds several instances of just next Sunday's Pats @ Jets game, and nothing else. If you want an HD version and DirecTV doesn't default to it (which it usually does), you can add HDTV to the search as follows:

AALL patriots HDTV & Show Type, Events

Use with care,l though, because if there is no HD version available, you'll miss the game completely.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 12:36 PM

Try setting up this KEYWORD SEARCH as an AUTORECORD:
patriots & Show Type, Events

It finds several instances of just next Sunday's Pats @ Jets game, and nothing else. If you want an HD version and DirecTV doesn't default to it (which it usually does), you can add HDTV to the search as follows:

AALL patriots HDTV & Show Type, Events

Use with care,l though, because if there is no HD version available, you'll miss the game completely.

/steve


AALL Patriots HD CCHAN 700 750 is how i have it...but didn't hit today's Pats/Chiefs game, since HD isn't in the description. had another search AALL Patriots CCHAN 700 750 to pick & choose manually. funny thing is the Pats/Chiefs was available in HD (i'm taping from the NFL ST HD channel). this seems to be a guide updating problem they should ensure they fix (IMO)

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 02:35 PM

AALL Patriots HD CCHAN 700 750 is how i have it...but didn't hit today's Pats/Chiefs game, since HD isn't in the description. had another search AALL Patriots CCHAN 700 750 to pick & choose manually. funny thing is the Pats/Chiefs was available in HD (i'm taping from the NFL ST HD channel). this seems to be a guide updating problem they should ensure they fix (IMO)

On shows that are HD, I haven't found hd to be a reliable keyword. I think it's safer to use hdtv instead.

Also, I wouldn't worry about using CCHAN. If the first "hit" is on a channel you don't receive, the GAMESEARCH function should find the same game on a channel you do receive.

And if you further qualify the search as Show Type, Event, you should only get the games.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 03:41 PM

Oh God. I am supposed to create, test and debug advanced search queries to properly record my Patriots games? That will take weeks of trial and error to cover all the use cases that change from week to week. I am so sick of this!

If this product was properly designed it would bet smart enough so I could say "Record the Patriots Games". Instead, my DVR decides to record everything BUT the game:

- east coast network feeds that don't work here in la
- shortcuts
- pre-games
- specials

Maybe someone will be kind enough to post an NFL search string. There just aren't enough hours in the day for me to bother with this.

-- pete





Try setting up this KEYWORD SEARCH as an AUTORECORD:
patriots & Show Type, Events

It finds several instances of just next Sunday's Pats @ Jets game, and nothing else. If you want an HD version and DirecTV doesn't default to it (which it usually does), you can add HDTV to the search as follows:

AALL patriots HDTV & Show Type, Events

Use with care,l though, because if there is no HD version available, you'll miss the game completely.

/steve




AALL Patriots HD CCHAN 700 750 is how i have it...but didn't hit today's Pats/Chiefs game, since HD isn't in the description. had another search AALL Patriots CCHAN 700 750 to pick & choose manually. funny thing is the Pats/Chiefs was available in HD (i'm taping from the NFL ST HD channel). this seems to be a guide updating problem they should ensure they fix (IMO)


On shows that are HD, I haven't found hd to be a reliable keyword. I think it's safer to use hdtv instead.

Also, I wouldn't worry about using CCHAN. If the first "hit" is on a channel you don't receive, the GAMESEARCH function should find the same game on a channel you do receive.

And if you further qualify the search as Show Type, Event, you should only get the games.

/steve


I'd actually attack this from a slightly different direction... I'd use...

AALL PATRIOTS EVENTS & Sports & Football

That way you are sure to get nothing but games, and you don't need to worry about any program that isn't football... I hear you on the east coast feeds... They need to get the stupid East Coast DNS feeds correctly working in the CIG. They are the only ones left that ever cause any havoc with any of my ARSL's... I know Gamesearch has worked every time I have needed it, but I haven't ever needed it on a dns feed. It seems like it should work, but because its network channels, it might give a channel not available response rather than a game not autorized one, so I do not know if it will work... a simple option would be to create 3 searches as follows if you do not want to rely on gamesearch, and want to give some priority over where your unit records...

AALL PATRIOTS EVENTS CCHAN 1 69 & Sports & Football
AALL PATRIOTS EVENTS CCHAN 200 299 & Sports & Football
AALL PATRIOTS EVENTS CCHAN 600 999 & Sports & Football

That would cover any channel in the system that shows football, and excludes any and all DNS feeds...

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 03:48 PM

AALL PATRIOTS EVENTS & Sports & Football

That way you are sure to get nothing but games, and you don't need to worry about any program that isn't football...

I guess technically my prior suggestion of patriots & Show Type, Events could also pick up a live broadcast of a "Patriots Day" parade, but the odds are pretty slim. :) /steve
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 06:34 PM

On shows that are HD, I haven't found hd to be a reliable keyword. I think it's safer to use hdtv instead.

/steve


thought about that, but thought HD was going to be seen more often than HDTV. problem is today's Chiefs / Pats game was broadcast in HD, but it didn't say HD or HDTV anywhere in the description, so neither would have worked. :nono2:

any thoughts to my MLB / NESN dilemma. i realize you are a yankee fan, and may not want to help a bosox fan, but hey, you definitely seem to have some great insight here. :D

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 06:39 PM

I guess technically my prior suggestion of patriots & Show Type, Events could also pick up a live broadcast of a "Patriots Day" parade, but the odds are pretty slim. :) /steve


AALL New England Patriots & Show Type, Events solves that potential issue, though.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 07:07 PM

Oh God. I am supposed to create, test and debug advanced search queries to properly record my Patriots games? That will take weeks of trial and error to cover all the use cases that change from week to week. I am so sick of this!

If this product was properly designed it would bet smart enough so I could say "Record the Patriots Games". Instead, my DVR decides to record everything BUT the game:

- east coast network feeds that don't work here in la
- shortcuts
- pre-games
- specials

Maybe someone will be kind enough to post an NFL search string. There just aren't enough hours in the day for me to bother with this.

-- pete


Well, that's just the way it is. No different then a Tivo Wishlist. Sometimes trial and error are the only way to get these complicated searches which depend on unpredictable guide data to work the way you want them.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 08:07 PM

any thoughts to my MLB / NESN dilemma. i realize you are a yankee fan, and may not want to help a bosox fan...

:lol: Even though I'm a Yank's fan, based on your post, I actually I played around for some time this morning trying to solve your issue and couldn't come up with a way to pin down the NESN broadcast. As you noted, the program descriptions are the same. And since the NESN channel is not a fixed one (so you can nail it down with the CCHAN operator), I believe you're out of luck until the GUIDE data gets better.

That said, I'd love someone to prove me wrong! :)

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 08:11 PM

AALL New England Patriots & Show Type, Events solves that potential issue, though.

Good point. Actually, AALL is not really necessary in that search. When there's no AALL or AANY preceding multiple keywords, the HR2x assumes you want that literal phrase (as if you enclosed that phrase in quotes in a Google search). So new england patriots & Show Type, Events will only find the literal phrase "New England Patriots" and not a "live" show about "The Patriots of New England", e.g.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 02:43 AM

:lol: Even though I'm a Yank's fan, based on your post, I actually I played around for some time this morning trying to solve your issue and couldn't come up with a way to pin down the NESN broadcast. As you noted, the program descriptions are the same. And since the NESN channel is not a fixed one (so you can nail it down with the CCHAN operator), I believe you're out of luck until the GUIDE data gets better.

That said, I'd love someone to prove me wrong! :)

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I don't have any sports subs, but can someone tell me if the individual RSNs are available for games at the same time the station is available in the 700's for any given game? If so, you shoul dbe able to create one ARSL for NESN specifically, and then a second for any channel, so you won't miss games that aren't on it.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 02:46 AM

Quick note... Gamesearch does not work for games on stations when you are not authorized to receive a channel. It only works on channels where you are not authorized for a game. So until CIG is finished, gamesearch is meaningless on the East and west coast HD DNS feeds, so I suggest everyone create at least 2 ARSLs for their sports teams if they are regularly on national TV on one of the DNS channels. (channels are 390 thru 399) (the DNS feeds in the 70's are in CIG properly.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 02:48 AM

Ok, so I have made a bunch of posts for a suggestion of a new gui / wizard for creating any kind of search string.... I posted them in the Wishlist thread here...

http://www.dbstalk.c...324#post1783324

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