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#551 OFFLINE   1948GG

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:00 AM

Okay, so things are still where they were, the -100 dvr is still recording a channel that 'doesn't exist' and won't 'tune' in the guide, etc. etc.

Called DirecTV and 2nd/3rd level had me jump the box through multiple hoops, none of which 'cured' the problem, which is now (yet again) escalated to what, 3rd level?

So I'm waiting for the problem to be 'cured' yet again, they possibly to come back a day later, just like the last time, except maybe with the added 'fun' of having different models react differently to whatever DirecTV is doing.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:13 PM

WEPX-DT 38.1, 38.2, 38.3 has just changed from its digital channel of 51 to channel 26.

Now cant receive it on my over the air tuners on Directv.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:04 PM

After several weeks of complaints (to DirecTV and a local broadcaster), and jumping through satellite settings hoops several times (at the direction of DirecTV CSR's), I finally got some time to do some basic troubleshooting of my own in an attempt to fix the guide OTA errors on my two HR20-100's.

BTW, in going through all those hoops, the only thing that managed to change (for more than one day, i.e., it corrected to showing and tuning properly for about 24hrs once two weeks ago), was that it actually went BACKWARDS, getting worse instead of better.

So today, I wrote up a plan to try some things out, the first on the list was changing my OTA zip code from where I live to the zip code right next to me (both are in the same DMA by a good hundred miles on all sides).

Lo and behold, it 'fixed' the guide problems, and tunes the OTA channel(s) that it previously both listed incorrectly (listing the channel as a 25-x instead of 22-x) and of course wouldn't tune up (getting a error code).

The upshot is, that DirecTV has incorrect listings for the zip code I live in and put into the dvr. This is a VERY small zip code, that is completely surrounded by the zip code I changed to (and works) today.

In short, poor programming by DirecTV (once again), and a failure by management to check the work done by the drone types.

I would suggest that those having problems with the OTA reception and guide listing try this 'trick', by picking a zip code close by and giving it a try. What's interesting is that there are other 'minor' things still wrong with the guide data (one stations is no longer listed as an OTA channel although it is carried by the DirecTV satellites!). Luckily, that station is too far from my physical location to be receivable, so it's 'no big deal', but interesting none the less.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

I would like to know if there is a zip code that would show both Cleveland & Youngstown DMA channels, that way I could use the secondary zip code to fill in stations that DTV never bothered to add to their database.

Like Cleveland WJW 8.2 Antenna TV. I use the secondary zip of High Point NC for secondary DMA, because WGPH Antenna TV 8.2 IS in the DTV database.

Both stations are even owned by the same company (Local TV LLC)

Go figure, not listed in the 16th largest DMA database, but is in Greensboro-High Point, NC (47) database.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

The local listing isn't zip code specific, they just have a blanket list for each DMA. Every zipcode in a given DMA gets the same list of channels. You can see the list in the Domestic file in the Transponder Maps thread:
http://www.dbstalk.c...ad.php?t=206618

You can try complaining to the station, but DirecTV hasn't really added any new subchannels to the list in ages. The owner of my local CW and MyNet affiliates is still trying to get them to add their subchannels that were launched over 2 years ago.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:59 PM

I would like to know if there is a zip code that would show both Cleveland & Youngstown DMA channels, that way I could use the secondary zip code to fill in stations that DTV never bothered to add to their database.


You can do your own homework here: Go to the TPN MAP thread in the "Tips and Resources Forum". The first post of this thread always includes the most current Excel of complete data. One 'tab' of the Excel is "OTA".

That OTA tab lists the grand total OTA database. As provided, it is in Channel Number sequence. So sort the entire sheet by 'NAME', column b. That will quickly tell you what markets your stations of interest appear in. The Market number represents each DMA and the Notes will also tell you what DMA (cities) you have found.

Then just use usps.com to convert those DMAs (cities) to ZIP codes for you.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:20 AM

[quote name='gct']You can do your own homework here: Go to the TPN MAP thread in the "Tips and Resources Forum". The first post of this thread always includes the most current Excel of complete data. One 'tab' of the Excel is "OTA".

That OTA tab lists the grand total OTA database. As provided, it is in Channel Number sequence. So sort the entire sheet by 'NAME', column b. That will quickly tell you what markets your stations of interest appear in. The Market number represents each DMA and the Notes will also tell you what DMA (cities) you have found.


I`ve done all that stuff before, but no zip where DTV carries both Youngstown & Cleveland as the same market for satellite delivered signal.

That`s what I was hoping to find, so I could use the AM21 secondary zip for Greensboro, High Point NC, which carries Antenna TV 8.2 on the database.

I did find a few zip codes in Portage & Mahoning County OH. that claim DTV carries Sportstime Ohio, FSNOhio & Root Pittsburgh as the RSN`s, though.

BTW, DTV DID ADD Cleveland WEWS 5.2 LiveWell about a year after Cleveland WJW 8.2 Antenna TV went up and AFTER DTV told me there wasn`t enough database to add channels. I don`t put a lot into much of anything DTV says anymore, I prefer to look here for actual answers.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:04 PM

I`ve done all that stuff before, but no zip where DTV carries both Youngstown & Cleveland as the same market for satellite delivered signal.

The OTA listings for the AM21's are not zip code specific, every zip code in a given market gets the same list of channels no matter where they are in relation to a neighboring market. There is no zip code that would give you an OTA listing for two markets.

Your best bet would be to complain to WJW directly, try looking for the contact of their engineering department since they would likely know the difference between satellite delivered locals and the lineup used by DirecTV's ATSC tuner. (As opposed to programming or even management who are likely unaware that the AM21 exists and will just think you're asking about it being added as part of the locals you receive via satellite)

Edited by KyL416, 25 November 2012 - 01:13 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

The OTA listings for the AM21's are not zip code specific, every zip code in a given market gets the same list of channels no matter where they are in relation to a neighboring market. There is no zip code that would give you an OTA listing for two markets.

Your best bet would be to complain to WJW directly, try looking for the contact of their engineering department since they would likely know the difference between satellite delivered locals and the lineup used by DirecTV's ATSC tuner. (As opposed to programming or even management who are likely unaware that the AM21 exists and will just think you're asking about it being added as part of the locals you receive via satellite)


I`ve tried that, too. But e-mails to WJW get an answer from a secretary or somebody that doesn`t even get the whole AM21 thing, and phone calls do not get past the operator. I even tried contacting Local TV LLC, the company that owns WJW, (DMA 18) (and others nationwide), but no luck there. Ironically, Local LLC is the owner of the station in Greensboro NC (DMA 47)that I use the secondary zipcode for Antenna TV.

AND all other stations that Local LLC owns around the country do have their secondary channels in the DTV database. But somehow they failed to get the station in their second largest market, Cleveland-Akron-Canton (Denver is Local LLC #1) listed in DTV database.

Oh well, guess you can`t have everything, (even though that`s what the AM21 is for) the Old Man will just have to keep watching ME TV.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

Greenville Washington New Bern NC market

WEPX DT 38.1 (RF ch 26)
WEPX DT 38.2
WEPX DT 38.3

These channels were on RF ch 51 and changed last month to ch 26. Directv needs to update the OTA data so these channels can be received.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:02 PM

Sent a message to DirecTV advising that WEYI 25.1 (NBC) from Saginaw, MI is not receivable with my AM21, even though 25.2 comes in just fine (as do the other stations in that neighboring market). Real channel assignments for these subchannels are 30.1 and 30.2, respectively. I'm assuming that DirecTV's real channel assignment for 25.1 in its database is somehow defective, but DirecTV responded with a canned e-mail response advising that it could be due to a number of factors and that I should call technical support to go through some troubleshooting steps. Anyone else in the Saginaw, MI DMA having this same problem?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

Akron Oh. ION TV WVPX 23.4 has been added to the database. It looks like it is simply a West Coast feed of 23.3 ION Life, but not real sure, since it has a LOAD of Infomercials.

This is the second Cleveland-Akron subchannel added to the database (WEWS 5.2 Live Well) after DTV told me there wasn`t any room to add more channels. So we still can`t get Antenna TV from WJW 8.2 in Cleveland 3 years after the sign on.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:18 AM

Interesting: there are some OTA channels in a neighboring DMA that are not in the database. So I looked through gct's TPN MAP database and saw that Chicago had channels that matched the true RF channels I wanted. I reran Initial Setup and replaced my primary market with Chicago, expecting to lose my existing home market stations. Instead, it kept my old primary market stations and just added a handful of Chicago stations, JUST IN THE SLOTS OF THE MISSING CHANNELS (Chicago has 40+ stations, most were not added to my list). This is actually a better result than I had hoped for: the holes got filled (the program info is wrong, but at least I can tune them now) and I didn't lose what I had. Is my HR20-700 smart enough to only add channels that have signal? I thought only HR34s had that ability.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

When I put in the zip code for the nearest town (Foley, AL) I get everything except WDPM (Daystar) which is relatively new and low power and…

WALA Fox 10 - which was the first digital broadcaster in the market, if not the state. Weird that they'd be completely left out of the listings on the AM21.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:48 PM

I have a DIRECTV AM21N Off-Air Dual Tuner to pick up the local OTA signals. Yesterday, the local OTA channels disappeared from my lineup. I went thru the setup again on the Satellite/Antenna and entered my zip code. Now it only lists a few of the local OTA signals in the guide and not the entire DMA's signals. I'm in the Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney, Nebraska DMA.

Any suggestions to get all of them listed again?

I see there was some sort of upgrade yesterday. Did that mess it up?

Thanks in advance.

Edited by PAULSTORM, 05 April 2013 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:00 PM

Something happened with the Lincoln stations because I looked today and on DirecTV, Ch 25 was MNT and the programming has moved to channel 4 and is the KSNB network. According to wikipedia, "On April 1, 2013, the station took the MyNetworkTV affiliation previously held by the second digital subchannels of both KOLN and KGIN"
I don't know what that all means, but its a change in the local channels and maybe it is affecting you also.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:41 PM

Something new on the Fox front.....

 

My local Fox O&O as well as a lot of others will be launching "Fox Movies" on their .2 signals come Monday, Memorial Day.  Has anyone heard anything from DirecTV on whether these .2 signals will be available through the guide (and available for recording) for those of us who have OTA capability?



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Posted 27 May 2013 - 12:12 AM

For those who missed the Fox Movies! announcement:

http://broadcastengi...dtv-subchannels

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 06:44 AM

Still no TMS data for 5-2 (WWORDT2) here in NY, although the channel is now broadcasting Movies! content. What I'm seeing on 5-2 is a duplicate of the 5-1 (WNYWDT) data.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 04:35 PM

Still no TMS data for 5-2 (WWORDT2) here in NY, although the channel is now broadcasting Movies! content. What I'm seeing on 5-2 is a duplicate of the 5-1 (WNYWDT) data.

Actually it's a little more complicated than that. The former 5-2 (WWORDT2) that was an SD simulcast of WNYW moved to 5-3, still coming from WWOR's signal on 38. Movies! 5-2 is a new subchannel coming from WNYW on 44. As of now DirecTV's OTA listing still has 5-2 listed as coming from 38. It will be interesting to see how DirecTV handles this one since it isn't a simple change in programming like past OTA changes. The new lineup is this:
WNYW-DT (44)
5-1 WNYW
9-2 WWOR SD
5-2 Movies!

WWOR-DT (38)
9-1 WWOR
5-3 WNYW SD
9-3 Bounce TV
9-4 MundoFox (SD simulcast of WPXO-LD)

Tribune has yet to reflect any of the changes though.

EDIT: It appears they incorrectly changed the entry for what they call WNYWDT2/9.2 to have the listings for Movies!, a side effect of them assuming that a station won't have a custom mapping with a mix of different major and minor channels and thinking it's safe to just slap a DTX at the end of the call sign for each subchannel. It will probably be a while before they sort out their mess since now WWOR has two .3's and WNYW has two .2's

They had similar problems back when WLNY converted to digital only early. Instead of keeping the WLNY listing for cable and satellite listings, they deleted it entirely and used WLNYDT for everything. Which now has the side effect of DirecTV's SD listing for WLNY having HD tags.

Edited by KyL416, 30 May 2013 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:18 PM

It's possible that if my local Fox station here is correct then Tribune has no info for ALL .2 streams that carry Movies!  With any luck, this will shortly change. 

 

Or....does anyone have listings for Movies!  ?



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

Or....does anyone have listings for Movies!  ?

 

I do here in the NYC burbs. Not sure when it started, but I noticed it this morning.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

That's good news!  Maybe Tribune finallly picked it up.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 10:32 PM

Houston DMA now airing COZI-TV channel on 57.5. Have already watched an episode of both Marcus Welby, M.D. and  Banacek---ah, the memories.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:44 PM

That's good news!  Maybe Tribune finallly picked it up.

   I wish Directv would have all the channels listed. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area I am getting 93 OTA channels via my TV internal tuner.


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