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is Dish violating the SHVIA again


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#1 OFFLINE   curt8403

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 07:33 PM

I have heard that Dish is offering customers DNS feeds without a waiver again. does anyone know what is really going on?
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#2 OFFLINE   Jim5506

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 07:41 PM

They are enjoined from offering them even with waivers.

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 07:41 PM

Do some looking for "All American Direct" and report back to us....
You CAN put antennas on your owned and/or controlled property...

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#4 OFFLINE   boba

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 08:30 PM

Dish has been turning a blind eye since they were fined it is just business as usual.

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 08:43 PM

Dish has been turning a blind eye since they were fined it is just business as usual.


If that is true please explain to me how I can get WFAA ch 8 to go along with my sherman/ada package like I did before the shut down. Their may still be alot of people "moving" but nobody getting channels out of two markets like they used to.
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Posted 27 July 2008 - 08:54 AM

If that is true please explain to me how I can get WFAA ch 8 to go along with my sherman/ada package like I did before the shut down. Their may still be alot of people "moving" but nobody getting channels out of two markets like they used to.

First go to www.dtv2009.gov and order the $40 coupons then get a TV antenna that picks up VHF high and WFAA is free for the watching at least in the southern half of Grayson county. Or the way DISH is most in violation is "move" to Celina in Collin County and subscribe to Dallas locals, you would loose 60(national PBS) 20 the Digital feed of FOX from ch 12 and the almost channels 10 & 12.:)

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 09:23 AM

Thanks for the tip boba, I already have it covered with the OTA antenna for wfaa and as a matter of fact I am having a 722 installed next sat so I will be able to record it and everything. What I meant was that back in the day you could file a waiver to receive wfaa out of dallas and have it added to the other locals. I used to have 8 and 4 added to my locals(before ch. 20 came along) I am sure that moving is still pretty easy to do, but when I say that it is not business as usual I am referring to the fact that people such as myself who SHOULD be allowed all channels out of dallas and all channels out of sherman cannot anymore when they used to be able to. As for 10 & 12 being almost channels well, I agree with you on the ch10 part but ch. 12 has dang good weather coverage that is accurate in the spring when one of those "almost" tornados blow thru. :)
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Posted 27 July 2008 - 12:31 PM

Thanks for the tip boba, I already have it covered with the OTA antenna for wfaa and as a matter of fact I am having a 722 installed next sat so I will be able to record it and everything. What I meant was that back in the day you could file a waiver to receive wfaa out of dallas and have it added to the other locals. I used to have 8 and 4 added to my locals(before ch. 20 came along) I am sure that moving is still pretty easy to do, but when I say that it is not business as usual I am referring to the fact that people such as myself who SHOULD be allowed all channels out of dallas and all channels out of sherman cannot anymore when they used to be able to. As for 10 & 12 being almost channels well, I agree with you on the ch10 part but ch. 12 has dang good weather coverage that is accurate in the spring when one of those "almost" tornados blow thru. :)

You never could legally receive the Dallas channels that is where DISH got into legal trouble. If the court hadn't slapped DISH on the wrist we would be able legally now to get the Dallas channels. Just 1 more case where Charlie thought he was smart but cut his own throat.

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 02:29 PM

I have heard that Dish is offering customers DNS feeds without a waiver again. does anyone know what is really going on?


Can you elobrate a little more as to what you heard was going on?
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Posted 27 July 2008 - 03:07 PM

The current situation with AllAmericanDirect is discussed in a different thread beginning with this post Dish Wins One - Distant Network. You can get distants if your your are eligible. Go to here and click on the tab at the top entitled "Do I Qualify". If you qualify you can get San Francisco and Atlanta ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC SD feeds. Be aware that the quality of the signal is not as good a Dish Network's SD feeds of the same channels.

Qualifying is a hit and miss thing. If you are in an area that is outside a DMA you'll qualify. If you are outside an area where a DMA signal of a certain quality is "available", you may qualify, you may have get waivers, or you may be told forget it. Technically, I'm in the SFO DMA but well outside the signal standard. When Dish dropped distants, I got ABC, NBC, and CBS without question, but had to get a waiver from the local Fox station. But I was getting SFO from Dish, so I think they just figured "who cares if this fool insists on recording something from an Atlanta crappy signal." It gave me the ability to record up to 4 prime-time shows scheduled for the same time. (Monday night is a hard night to decide what to record and will be again this fall.)

When the black 722 came out (the decorator in the home rules here), I added it to my two 508's and dropped the distants.

I was a distant's customer to begin with because I wanted Sacramento channels since they cover our area for news and weather and wanted East Coast feeds for schedule conflicts. San Francisco just pretends we're in their DMA for economic control, not for giving us local news and weather coverage. I complain from time to time, but it does no go. Occasionally, nearby Ukiah appears on a weather map.

Frankly, I wish someone would tell the truth about the SHVIA. It is unfair to the American public.:mad:

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 04:48 PM

Frankly, I wish someone would tell the truth about the SHVIA. It is unfair to the American public.:mad:


I could not agree more, It is stupid to ban my choice in service provider from doing for me what all the cable companies in the area do legally. Of course no cable outside the city limits.

In the OP's original post he said that E* was providing distants to somebody which I do not beleive unless it is some sort of "moving" thing. That was the only reason I asked him to tell us more. I did not know if he was talking about the current thing going on with All American Direct or something "colorably" different.:hurah:
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 12:25 AM

You never could legally receive the Dallas channels that is where DISH got into legal trouble. If the court hadn't slapped DISH on the wrist we would be able legally now to get the Dallas channels. Just 1 more case where Charlie thought he was smart but cut his own throat.

Not every customer was illegally served. A customer could legally receive a Dallas network as a distant as long as they were outside the Dallas DMA and not within the Grade B of any affiliate of the network they wanted to receive (or had a waiver from ALL affiliates of that network that provided Grade B coverage).

In the final year there was also the possibility of delivering "Significantly Viewed" channels legally without waivers - even within a Grade B. All this went away when the court placed the injunction against DISH (for earlier violations of the law) but the provision of distants, including Dallas channels into Ada, was legal.




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