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Sixto Report-D12 Status: Pre-Launch


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#26 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 01:56 AM

This may have been asked and answer, I don't recall... I know someone has researched and confirmed that no sat dish available today is capable of receiving KA-Lo signals from D10, D11, D12 at 101.... How about KA-Hi at 101? Maybe a Spaceway goes to 101 to make room for D-12

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#27 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 02:05 AM

Not to spoil everyone's fun... but ya know one of these d-12 threads was actually started a while ago... and I just found it....

http://www.dbstalk.c...ad.php?t=123959

Where is Directv-12 anyway?

Some speculating on how Directv may stack D12 in is in there... Making my last post a bit stupid! :)

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:51 AM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 04:36 AM

More smarter was a bad choice of wording. lol. The reason I ask is I don't see anything about it being a temporary location for testing BSS.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:36 AM

I don't believe that filing has anything to do with D12.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:41 AM

DirecTV keeps pushing to keep the advantage.

This is great news.

Thanks Sixto. Great work.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 06:39 AM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.


That's is an interesting filing, particularly as it references a July 2008 filing date. It seems to me that might be a putative "D13" or perhaps even "D14" dedicated BSS satellite. Who if anyone currently holds licenses for 107W?

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 07:52 AM

Not to spoil everyone's fun... but ya know one of these d-12 threads was actually started a while ago...



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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:31 AM

This may have been asked and answer, I don't recall... I know someone has researched and confirmed that no sat dish available today is capable of receiving KA-Lo signals from D10, D11, D12 at 101.... How about KA-Hi at 101? Maybe a Spaceway goes to 101 to make room for D-12

None of the 5lnb designs support Ka at 101. I also suspect none of the new SL3 designs do either.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:35 AM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.

These are corrections to re-filings to request orbital licenses in the newest satellite to home band, commonly called BSS or "reverse" band. This was the band that DIRECTV11 just did some testing with a surprise package of tranponder(s) at location 101.

So in short, this will not be D12. We'll see more and more BSS band info over the next couple years, but the next step will be the FCC allocating licenses.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:38 AM

That's is an interesting filing, particularly as it references a July 2008 filing date. It seems to me that might be a putative "D13" or perhaps even "D14" dedicated BSS satellite. Who if anyone currently holds licenses for 107W?


No licenses for BSS have been released, so no one does yet. :) I expect we'll see license allocations soon--in FCC terms. :)

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:13 AM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:15 AM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..


That's wrong on just so many levels. :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:20 AM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..

My guess is capital expense flow and investor expectations against real need with a mixture of satellite launcher availability.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 11:31 AM

Thanks Tom, It thru me because of the request to operate at 107 WL. I know they have tested D11 there but only tested it. This appeared to indicate a permanent location for a new satellite.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 12:38 PM

Thanks for the info, guys. I am exciting about D12 already and D11 isn't even 'in service' yet.

Is this thread going to be a 'Sticky'?

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 12:50 PM

Thanks for the info, guys. I am exciting about D12 already and D11 isn't even 'in service' yet.

Is this thread going to be a 'Sticky'?

I'm sure there will be a sticky but it may be a bit early. However, there seems be a lot of interest in a sticky so who knows. :grin:

You'll know it when it happens. ;)

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 12:50 PM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..


I suspect it's also a matter of not having a need for it. Once D11 gets up and running and filled up DirecTV should be very close to carrying all the HD channels that are available to carry. Launching another expensive sat to add another 5 or 10 channels isn't really a good idea financially. Since it's one big expense they do need to make sure there is use for it.

There is also the other side of things to consider. There's a lot of infrastructure needed on the ground to handle these in addition to the sat in the sky. They need facilities to transmit the signal to the sat, hardware at those facilities to compress and combine the different signals and some way to get the info to these facilities in the first place. All of this takes time too and you can't significantly accelerate these plans with out greatly increasing the cost.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 01:11 PM

I'm sure there will be a sticky but it may be a bit early. However, there seems be a lot of interest in a sticky so who knows. :grin:

You'll know it when it happens. ;)

Mike

As a compliment to Sixto's excellent work, this thread has a very good chance of being the one that get's stickied. Normally this would be earlier than we would sticky something, but this thread has shown it has legs :)

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 12:10 PM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.


Actually, this refers to RB-3, a planned BSS bird. Read about it at: http://fjallfoss.fcc...ent_key=-141467

Just to make things interesting, RB-5 is planned for 119, so all the people complaining about line-of-site problems to 119 will get a chance to it again.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 12:22 PM

Actually, this refers to RB-3, a planned BSS bird. Read about it at: http://fjallfoss.fcc...ent_key=-141467

Just to make things interesting, RB-5 is planned for 119, so all the people complaining about line-of-site problems to 119 will get a chance to it again.

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ugh! not 107W much less 119W. go east, like to 95W!!!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 12:46 PM

So the fleet of BSS birds will be RB-#?

Do we have all the orbital locations for what I would assume to be RB1-RB5?
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:33 PM

I would like to be the first in this 200 page (at the very least) thread to ask the following:

1) When will it go live? (My guess is Wednesday February 15, 2010)

2) Will this mean less 'compression' on my 175 HD channels?

3) Do you think Fox News HD will be re-mapped?

4) Sixto - what the hell is a TLE?

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:49 PM

I just don’t see how D12 is going to fit into the mix as presently configured. As other than an in orbit spare. Or maybe contribute more spotbeams. Since all the Ka B-band CONUS transponder frequencies are pretty much filled already at both 99 and the 103 slots by D10 and D11. And the 101/110/119 slots are out of the question.

Therefore the advertised increase to 200 national HD channels with the future launch and deployment of D12 cannot be correct with the current receiving equipment. :nono2:

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:53 PM

I just don’t see how D12 is going to fit into the mix as presently configured. As other than an in orbit spare. Or maybe contribute more spotbeams. Since all the Ka B-band CONUS transponder frequencies are pretty much filled already at both 99 and the 103 slots by D10 and D11. And the 101/110/119 slots are out of the question.

Therefore the advertised increase to 200 national HD channels with the future launch and deployment of D12 cannot be correct with the current receiving equipment. :nono2:


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