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Sixto Report-D12 Status: Pre-Launch


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#21 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 08:50 PM

Yes, there are 5 guesses as to which slot. :lol:

It will not go in 110 or 119. :)

It will almost certainly not go in 101.

If DIRECTV keeps alternating, 103? :)

DIRECTV tells me they have lots of bandwidth available. I take that to mean if all the channels go HD, DIRECTV will be ready. It will be interesting to see who will be the last SD channel standing. I suspect we will see waves of SD channel conversions, and DIRECTV is preparing for them. :)

As for satellites in each slot, 101 has (or had) at least 6 that I'm aware of. (Not all are DIRECTV.) The real question is how many satellites will it take to completely fill the allocated bandwidth. :)

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 09:10 PM

Yes, there are 5 guesses as to which slot. :lol:

It will not go in 110 or 119. :)

It will almost certainly not go in 101.

If DIRECTV keeps alternating, 103? :)

DIRECTV tells me they have lots of bandwidth available. I take that to mean if all the channels go HD, DIRECTV will be ready. It will be interesting to see who will be the last SD channel standing. I suspect we will see waves of SD channel conversions, and DIRECTV is preparing for them. :)

As for satellites in each slot, 101 has (or had) at least 6 that I'm aware of. (Not all are DIRECTV.) The real question is how many satellites will it take to completely fill the allocated bandwidth. :)

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Thanks Tom, thats good news to hear. :)

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 10:08 PM

Drew2k,

Yes it is possible that the FCC might approve a BSS license in time for D12--but remember that package would have to be built in very soon to make a build/testing/launch cycle for a late 2009. I very much doubt D12 has much of anything in the way of a BSS package as that would be very high risk of expense at this time.

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Thanks Tom. From the first post stating D12 was originally planned as an on-ground spare, does that mean it's actually already fully assembled and tested, and just needs to be shipped to a launch facility?

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 10:11 PM

Thanks Tom. From the first post stating D12 was originally planned as an on-ground spare, does that mean it's actually already fully assembled and tested, and just needs to be shipped to a launch facility?

Um... I'm not 100% sure. Somethings might be hard to mothball in a fully assembled and tested state, particularly items that suffer oxidation quickly.

I suspect it is in as close to being shipping ready as is possible for a late next year scheduled launch. Does that make sense?

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 10:25 PM

Um... I'm not 100% sure. Somethings might be hard to mothball in a fully assembled and tested state, particularly items that suffer oxidation quickly.

I suspect it is in as close to being shipping ready as is possible for a late next year scheduled launch. Does that make sense?

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Yup! I didn't mean to say it would just be sitting in a crate marked "Destination: Sea Launch", either, just waiting to be loaded onto a flatbed! :P

I would assume it's in a secure clean room, but given some of the posts about potential changes with a BSS payload (if even present on D12) or whether something has to be corrected on D12 based on any issues or problems found in D11, I was just curious how much flexibility Boeing (it is Boeing building it, right) would have to make modifications. It sounds like there's some leeway as long as they fit it in the window you described earlier for testing. Thanks again!

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 01:56 AM

This may have been asked and answer, I don't recall... I know someone has researched and confirmed that no sat dish available today is capable of receiving KA-Lo signals from D10, D11, D12 at 101.... How about KA-Hi at 101? Maybe a Spaceway goes to 101 to make room for D-12

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 02:05 AM

Not to spoil everyone's fun... but ya know one of these d-12 threads was actually started a while ago... and I just found it....

http://www.dbstalk.c...ad.php?t=123959

Where is Directv-12 anyway?

Some speculating on how Directv may stack D12 in is in there... Making my last post a bit stupid! :)

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:51 AM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 04:36 AM

More smarter was a bad choice of wording. lol. The reason I ask is I don't see anything about it being a temporary location for testing BSS.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:36 AM

I don't believe that filing has anything to do with D12.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:41 AM

DirecTV keeps pushing to keep the advantage.

This is great news.

Thanks Sixto. Great work.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 06:39 AM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.


That's is an interesting filing, particularly as it references a July 2008 filing date. It seems to me that might be a putative "D13" or perhaps even "D14" dedicated BSS satellite. Who if anyone currently holds licenses for 107W?

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 07:52 AM

Not to spoil everyone's fun... but ya know one of these d-12 threads was actually started a while ago...



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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:31 AM

This may have been asked and answer, I don't recall... I know someone has researched and confirmed that no sat dish available today is capable of receiving KA-Lo signals from D10, D11, D12 at 101.... How about KA-Hi at 101? Maybe a Spaceway goes to 101 to make room for D-12

None of the 5lnb designs support Ka at 101. I also suspect none of the new SL3 designs do either.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:35 AM

So I have a question. Is Directv putting D12 at 107 degrees WL. I am not sure what this filing means. Perhaps those who are a more smarter than I am can explain.

Thanks

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 S2242 DIRECTV ENTERPRISES, LLC
The description of the applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 contained an error. The following is the correct description of the
applications associated with Call Sign: S2242 (File Nos. SAT-LOA-19970605-00049, SAT-AMD-20051118-00226,

SAT-AMD-20080114-00015 and SAT-AMD-20080321-00078) that were accepted for filing on Report No. SAT-00535, rel. July 3, 2008.
DIRECTV Enterprises, L.L.C. (DIRECTV) requests authority to construct, launch, and operate a 17/24 GHz Broadcasting-Satellite Service
(BSS) space station at the 107° W.L. orbital location, which is an Appendix F location as set forth in the 17/24 GHz BSS Report and Order,
FCC 07-76 (rel. May 4, 2007), at full power and with full interference protection. (See FCC 07-76 and 07-174 for a complete explanation of
the rules and policies regarding the spacing framework and interference protections adopted by the Commission). DIRECTV seeks to use
the 17.3 -17.7 (space-to-Earth) and 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands. DIRECTV seeks to perform telemetry, tracking, and
command operations at the lower edges of the 17.3-17.7 GHz (space-to-Earth) and the 24.75-25.15 GHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands.

These are corrections to re-filings to request orbital licenses in the newest satellite to home band, commonly called BSS or "reverse" band. This was the band that DIRECTV11 just did some testing with a surprise package of tranponder(s) at location 101.

So in short, this will not be D12. We'll see more and more BSS band info over the next couple years, but the next step will be the FCC allocating licenses.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:38 AM

That's is an interesting filing, particularly as it references a July 2008 filing date. It seems to me that might be a putative "D13" or perhaps even "D14" dedicated BSS satellite. Who if anyone currently holds licenses for 107W?


No licenses for BSS have been released, so no one does yet. :) I expect we'll see license allocations soon--in FCC terms. :)

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:13 AM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:15 AM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..


That's wrong on just so many levels. :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:20 AM

well if the satellite is already completed, why are they waiting a year to launch..

Get it up there now.. Call the Astronaut Farmer.. I am sure that some guy, who was preparing for the Millennium explosion has some sort of launching device in his back yard. We have guys around here that have CB's that are stronger then the radio stations.. I am sure some one can throw that thing up there sooner then a year.

Some kid working on his high school science project.


Get it up there. the new satellite is almost full. and it hasn't even been turned on yet..

My guess is capital expense flow and investor expectations against real need with a mixture of satellite launcher availability.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 11:31 AM

Thanks Tom, It thru me because of the request to operate at 107 WL. I know they have tested D11 there but only tested it. This appeared to indicate a permanent location for a new satellite.
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