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Sixto Report-D12 Status: Pre-Launch


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#1221 OFFLINE   harsh

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 07:33 AM

There have been NO recent promises regarding new content that depend on D12.

Long-term, D12 taking over some responsibilities from D10 may extend the older satellite's life.

D12 will not improve overall reception. Some spotbeams may better cover their target markets. If you're having problems, consider having your dish tweaked.

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#1222 OFFLINE   Scott Corbett

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 12:51 PM

It will give D* the ability to offer more national HD channels.


Wasn't D11 supposed to give the capability of 150 national HD channels?
But D* is nowhere near that.
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#1223 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:00 PM

Wasn't D11 supposed to give the capability of 150 national HD channels?
But D* is nowhere near that.

With current PQ and the current selected encoding techniques, D10 and D11 provide 5 HD channels per transponder, and each has 14 transponders dedicated to CONUS/national coverage. D10 originally (temporarily) had 16, until D11 was deployed. D12 is expect to have 16 national transponders.
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#1224 OFFLINE   oldfantom

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:05 PM

Wasn't D11 supposed to give the capability of 150 national HD channels?
But D* is nowhere near that.


It depends a little on how/what you count as to the "up to" 150 national channels. But the phrase "up to" and the number 150 seem to start a lot of flame wars in this forum.

As to Harsh's comment about the recent promises, D* stated that they would be launching a fairly large number of channels in 2010. I don't think it is unusual or suspicious that they have said nothing since. Although there is some argument as to the amount of space that is or is not left and the worth of certain channels over others, it seems that we should not expect to get any new HD roll out of any great significance until the new SAT is up. If they wanted to use the space they have, they probably would have lit up ESPNU for football season.

Harsh did make a good point that we won't get a launch until after the bird is shipped. I feel pretty good about making that a definite statement. We need to send Tom back to take a "tour" of the facilities to see if the bird is still in construction phase or if it is in its crate, or somewhere in between.

In the "for what's worth" category, it seems too quiet for the second week of September if we are thinking anything can/will happen prior to November.

#1225 OFFLINE   RobertE

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:11 PM

There have been NO recent promises regarding new content that depend on D12.

Long-term, D12 taking over some responsibilities from D10 may extend the older satellite's life.

D12 will not improve overall reception. Some spotbeams may better cover their target markets. If you're having problems, consider having your dish tweaked.


If you believe for one nano-second that DirecTv is launching that satellite just for the hell of it, not using it for more national HD channels, I have a few bridges in New York I'd like to see you.

Enough with the negitive speculation already.
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#1226 OFFLINE   dcowboy7

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:21 PM

Wasn't D11 supposed to give the capability of 150 national HD channels?
But D* is nowhere near that.


No they werent supposed to....it was "up to 150".

#1227 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:42 PM

No they werent supposed to....it was "up to 150".


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The "up to" is mumbo-jumbo. As if DIRECTV doesn't know the capacity of their sats. The "150" is key, not the "up to". If the "up to" is the definitive factor, why didn't they say up to 160 or 170 etc. There's room for more national HD, they're simply not adding it.

Bring on D12 :goodjob:

#1228 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:55 PM

This should all be very simple.

D10 currently has 14 national transponders. At 5 per, that's 70. All used. 100%. (Was 16/80 for a short time prior to D11).

D11 currently has 14 national transponders. At 5 per, that's 70. Most used today. 90%+.

This Sunday (9/13), we'll get a good view of how full D11 is. We'll have NFL Sunday Ticket (12 games: 704-715) plus the usual part-time HD channel needs, almost the maximum HD bandwidth needed. The following Sunday (9/20) should be the 2009 maximum (14 games: 704-717), with 2 additional NFL channels needed. 1/3/2010 will have 15 games. Very interested in the HD allocation mid-Sunday afternoon.

In 2010, D12 will have an additional 16 national transponders, for another 80 HD channels (assuming current PQ and encoding).

In the past, 101°, 110°, and 119° have also provided HD bandwidth, but a business decision has been made (for now) to consolidate all HD to D10/D11, soon to be D10/D11/D12, with 6 MPEG2 HD channels still to be turned off on 110°/119°.

Edit: Needed to exclude Sunday Night Football (NBC).

Edited by Sixto, 08 September 2009 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 04:06 PM

This Sunday (9/13), we'll get a good view of how full D11 is. We'll have NFL Sunday Ticket (13 games).

The following Sunday (9/20) should be the 2009 maximum (15 games), with 2 additional NFL channels needed.

1/3/2010 will have 16 games.


This sunday = 12 games.
The following sunday = 14 games.
1/3/10 = 15 games....a game will move to 8:20 SNF.

#1230 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 04:47 PM

This sunday = 12 games.
The following sunday = 14 games.
1/3/10 = 15 games....a game will move to 8:20 SNF.

Yep, should have excluded the NBC Sunday night game. Sunday 9/20 will be a good view of max.

Edited by Sixto, 08 September 2009 - 05:22 PM.

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#1231 OFFLINE   LameLefty

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 05:52 AM

If Boeing doesn't ship in the next two weeks, October (and probably November) is out of the question.


So being a Dish customer and only knowing Directv hardware because there are some receivers where you work makes you an expert in satellite construction, FCC regulatory processes and GSO launch operations now? Please. Do you really want me to dig up some of your similarly incorrect assertions about D10 from two years ago?

You should really just stick to what you actually, you know, know. :rolleyes:

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#1232 OFFLINE   David MacLeod

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 06:07 AM

You should really just stick to what you actually, you know, know. :rolleyes:


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Posted 09 September 2009 - 09:15 AM

So being a Dish customer and only knowing Directv hardware because there are some receivers where you work makes you an expert in satellite construction, FCC regulatory processes and GSO launch operations now? Please. Do you really want me to dig up some of your similarly incorrect assertions about D10 from two years ago?

You should really just stick to what you actually, you know, know. :rolleyes:


In post 939, you said "There's usually 3 - 4 weeks' lead time from delivery of the encapsulated satellite to the launch facility for integration with the booster."

So harsh is being a little melodramatic with the Nov thing, but if the bird is still in the states, then October is under pressure. I will feel much better when we have confirmation that the thing has been shipped. At that point, there will be less of a speculative "here's a window, there's a window" discussion. I would think they will not ship without a slot. This speaks to my knowledge of all that stuff you mention, above - You can't launch a satellite unless the satellite is at the launch site.

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 05:29 PM

Reading the last several ILS launch blogs, although they have capacity to process multiple launches, the sat usually arrives soon after the sucessful prior launch.
Nimiq 5 is scheduled for 9/17.
I'd expect D-12 to ship shortly after that if all is OK.

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#1235 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 06:10 PM

Reading the last several ILS launch blogs, although they have capacity to process multiple launches, the sat usually arrives soon after the sucessful prior launch.
Nimiq 5 is scheduled for 9/17.
I'd expect D-12 to ship shortly after that if all is OK.

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The FCC Filing lists the D12 Construction Completion Date as 10/8/2009:

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=730514

While it's certainly possible for D12 to launch between Nimiq 5 on 9/17/2009 and W7 in mid-November, I'm just getting a vibe that it may be after W7, but we'll see, especially if some $ changed hands to get W7 to the head of the line. That W7 press release the other day sounded urgent.

2008/2009 launches and guesswork:
01/28/2008
02/11/2008 +14
03/14/2008 +32
08/18/2008 
09/19/2008 +32
11/05/2008 +47
12/10/2008 +35
02/11/2009 +62
04/03/2009 +51
05/16/2009 +43
06/30/2009 +45
08/11/2009 +42
09/17/2009 +38 (Nimiq 5 scheduled)
10/17/2009 +30 (D12?)
11/16/2009 +30 (W7?)

Edited by Sixto, 09 September 2009 - 06:57 PM.

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:46 PM

DIRECTV will be the first to launch a BSS satellite into the US! DIRECTV 12 and RB-2A are the same hybrid satellite and filings have been posted at the FCC.

But let us continue discussion at the new thread: http://www.dbstalk.c...d.php?p=2210347

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