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MPEG2 -> MPEG4 Transition Discussion: ESPN HD


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#21 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:25 AM

Look at text. And at crowd scenes. There is noise on the text and crowd scenes (like the Pocono commercial) on the MPEG2 version that is not there on MPEG4.

ESPN will never be perfect (as I see some of the same mess on cable as on DirecTV) but when it was messy, it was messier on DirecTV than comcast (things like crowd scenes, blimp shots, high action). This should clean it up. I can see a difference for sure. The clock in the lower right pops off the screen, for example.
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:26 AM

i can spot a difference on my 21 in sony which is 4 years old. the pic is a tad clearer and sharper, probably because the signal isn't compressed!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:29 AM

I have both a HR20-100 and HR10-250. On my HR20 I can definitely tell a difference between UHD 74/259. However on my HR10-250, 206 and 209 are both still working. ??
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:30 AM

I saw the change over happen. At first it wasn't in "hd" it looked sd to me. Soon about 5 minutes later the clarity kicked in. The picture was better then ESPN had ever been at that point.
Sometimes it just is what it is :nono2:

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:31 AM

finally!! much cleaner picture and NO VIDEO DROPOUTS!!!!!!!!!! :D :joy: :biggthump

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:33 AM

Look at text. And at crowd scenes. There is noise on the text and crowd scenes (like the Pocono commercial) on the MPEG2 version that is not there on MPEG4.

ESPN will never be perfect (as I see some of the same mess on cable as on DirecTV) but when it was messy, it was messier on DirecTV than comcast (things like crowd scenes, blimp shots, high action). This should clean it up. I can see a difference for sure. The clock in the lower right pops off the screen, for example.


Have you got cable and DirecTV? :scratch:

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:34 AM

so far i am able to disable the mpeg noise filter setting in my
Sony HDTV & see no artifacts....this is good...of course it may change
with a live fast action event....but hopefully not

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:35 AM

Have you got cable and DirecTV? :scratch:


Yes. I have a cable modem and the pricing here means cable TV is a marginal cost. It also gets me locals from DC (condo so roof antenna not possible). I use an HD Tivo for that (see signature).
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:36 AM

I have both a HR20-100 and HR10-250. On my HR20 I can definitely tell a difference between UHD 74/259. However on my HR10-250, 206 and 209 are both still working. ??


On the hr10-250, you can only recieve SD versions on 206 and 209 you have to tuen to 73 and 74 to get the hd versions of those channels...

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:38 AM

so far i am able to disable the mpeg noise filter setting in my
Sony HDTV & see no artifacts....this is good...of course it may change
with a live fast action event....but hopefully not


do you have your box set to 1080i output only? i have found that a cable or D box converting 720p to 1080i causes artifacts on motion, thats why mine is set to output all resolutions and i let the tv do the conversion and scaling.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:39 AM

ESPN HD solid as a rock here on 206 .
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:42 AM

mines is set to native on and all resolutions are checked. I still don't necessarily see a difference between 73 and 206. It looks good and all, but i just don't see the difference. I'll wait til ESPN broadcasts a live game and then take a look.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 06:26 AM

Text does seems clearer.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 06:37 AM

Extremely crisp picture.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:07 AM

ESPN HD solid as a rock here on 206 .


+1 ... Looks great to me! :)
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:07 AM

finally!! much cleaner picture and NO VIDEO DROPOUTS!!!!!!!!!! :D :joy: :biggthump


Let's hope it stays that way!! :D
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:24 AM

I am seeing a large difference now that I can compare the MPEG2 and MPEG4 signals. I think it's not just the compression that was used, but that fact that the encoder being used on the MPEG2 channel is ancient. I am suprised at how much better the MPEG4 works, considering this is a 720p source.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:46 AM

I am getting Searching for signal in Houston on 206 and 209. I have an H20 and I have an HR21. Neither one can get theses channels. I also am not getting TNTHD or HD Theater.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:51 AM

Do they broadcast in 720p or 1080i, and does it make much difference how you set the HR20. I have Native OFF and set to only 1080i.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 08:01 AM

looks like it always did




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