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#1 OFFLINE   danny84

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 02:18 PM

Is Not On Dish Network not more did someone know why?

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#2 OFFLINE   boba

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 02:43 PM

Is Not On Dish Network not more did someone know why?

GOL TV is having contract negotiation problems with DISH. DISH is using their usual negotiating method take it away from the customer. GOL TV is still available on Directv.:lol: :lol: :lol:

#3 OFFLINE   kal915

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 02:50 PM

GOL TV is having contract negotiation problems with DISH. DISH is using their usual negotiating method take it away from the customer. GOL TV is still available on Directv.:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:42 PM

Any chance that they will work things out?

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:49 PM

Well, here we go again. I had an online chat with a Dish Network agent and she reported that GOL TV made what were described as unreasonable demands in exchange for continued carriage on Dish Network.

I usually tune into GOL TV for Fifa Football Mundial, La Liga (Spain) and Bundesliga (Germany) soccer, as well as soccer from Uruguay, Ecuador, and Colombia.

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:13 PM

I am really mad about this, but you all need to know that for the Bundesliga and La Liga the 2008-09 season is the last of theirs contracts with Goltv, so maybe next year Goltv won't be carrying either one, remember what happen to Goltv last season with the Calcio when their contract expired....

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:43 AM

If you press info now at the Goltv channel it has the announcement for the Emirates Cup games, but the programming is from Fox Sports World Espanol

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 12:29 PM

If you press info now at the Goltv channel it has the announcement for the Emirates Cup games, but the programming is from Fox Sports World Espanol


The EPG has the info for all of it, but until Dish and GolTV settle it will probably still show Fox Sports
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 12:46 PM

Well, here we go again. I had an online chat with a Dish Network agent and she reported that GOL TV made what were described as unreasonable demands in exchange for continued carriage on Dish Network.


There are a variety of possible scenarios. GolTV recently completed a deal to be carried on one of the major cable systems. So, perhaps previously they gave Dish a special deal in return for 12 million possible viewers, and now they no longer feel they need that, so they raised their price.

Or perhaps the cable system doesn't care what price they pay, because they just pass on the costs to the customers - and now GolTV wants Dish to pay the same (higher) price as the cable system.

Perhaps GolTV has paid more for their programming from La Liga and Bundesliga, and so must charge more to cable and satellite, in order to break even, but Dish does not see any greater value to their customers.

Also, note that package channels like GolTV and CNN cost Dish a certain amount per subscriber, while subscription channels like Setanta actually pay Dish a percentage of the subscription fee.

In short, GolTV wants more $$, but Dish gets no more benefit from GolTV than before.

It's like when the gasoline price goes up. We don't get anything more, we get the same gallon of gas, but it costs more. Our only defense is to buy less gasoline (which most of us have indeed done).

Dish's only defense is to "buy less GolTV".

It's a particularly poor strategy for GolTV since they have adverstisements. I hope they are telling their advertisers that they have 12 million less possible viewers as of August 1st... :rolleyes:
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Posted 03 August 2008 - 05:34 PM

In short, GolTV wants more $$, but Dish gets no more benefit from GolTV than before.


Or goltv tried to re-negotiate their contract for the SAME amount as last time but dish now wants to pay less? We have no info so this is just as likely as goltv wanting more money. This is the typical Dish Network negotiation tactic. I've had many providers in the past, but never had channels removed suddenly (or warnings to remove channels such as the viacom thing a few years ago) like the crap that happens on Dish Network.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 08:01 PM

Or goltv tried to re-negotiate their contract for the SAME amount as last time but dish now wants to pay less? We have no info so this is just as likely as goltv wanting more money. This is the typical Dish Network negotiation tactic.

And your source for claiming that is a "typical Dish Network negotiation tactic" is what exactly ? (An odd statement after saying "we have no info", which is usually true.) In all the years I've read DBS Forums, I've never heard of any provider asking a channel to lower its price from the previous contract price. Cable and satellite channel prices only go up. Providers ask for the increase to be less.

The only documented evidence is that over the past 12 years, cable channels have consistently tried to charge Dish Network more than other cable and satellite providers. The FCC had to make a ruling that cable channels were required to offer all providers an equal price.

One person has reported that the Spanish Language Dish Network statement on the channel being unavailable translates as:

"GolTV has removed this channel after asking for unreasonable terms to renew the contract and we're working to solve the problem".


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Posted 03 August 2008 - 09:31 PM

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Satellite Giant Dish Network Pulls Plug on GolTV
Millions of Dish Subscribers Lose Exclusive TV Coverage of Emirates Cup and 2010 World Cup Qualifiers

Last update: 5:56 p.m. EDT Aug. 3, 2008

MIAMI, Aug 03, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- GolTV, the only live bilingual channel delivering 24/7 soccer, regrets Dish Network's decision to discontinue carriage of GolTV's unmatched international soccer coverage effective Friday afternoon, August 1. Dish Network's loss of GolTV was the result of its decision to impose unreasonable contract demands and terms on the independent and privately-owned minority network, GolTV.

Millions of DISH subscribers have lost GolTV's exclusive, live from London, TV coverage of the Emirates Cup. This decision also falls on the verge of 2010 World Cup qualifying matches and season kick-offs of GolTV's exclusive TV coverage of the Spain's La Liga on August 31 and Germany's Bundesliga on August 15.
The satellite giant decided to remove GolTV, from its America's Top 250 and Dish Latino programming packages. Consistently ranked in the top five Hispanic satellite and cable-delivered networks, Spanish and English-speaking soccer enthusiasts have been calling the South Florida-based soccer programming network over the weekend to voice their stunned reaction by the sudden and unprecedented loss of one of their favorite sports networks.

"Dish Network has demonstrated total disregard for independent networks, the millions of soccer fans we represent, and minority-owned businesses by this action," said Rodrigo Lombello, GolTV COO. "We urge upset Dish viewers to contact us or Dish to voice their concerns."

Dish Network subscribers can take action by emailing GolTV at info@goltv.tv.


Sounds like the same story to me.
CourtTV, Lifetime, MLB, Voom and now Citadel Communications ( Iowa stations dropped a couple of days ago ).

Dish plays hard ball.
Find a carriage drop from DirecTV or Cable if you can!

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Citadel Communications:
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Posted 03 August 2008 - 09:38 PM

http://www.marketwat...7AFA}&dist=hppr

Satellite Giant Dish Network Pulls Plug on GolTV
Millions of Dish Subscribers Lose Exclusive TV Coverage of Emirates Cup and 2010 World Cup Qualifiers

Last update: 5:56 p.m. EDT Aug. 3, 2008



Sounds like the same story to me.
CourtTV, WE, MLB, Voom and now Citadel Communications ( Iowa stations dropped a couple of days ago ).


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Posted 04 August 2008 - 12:29 AM

http://www.marketwat...7AFA}&dist=hppr

Satellite Giant Dish Network Pulls Plug on GolTV
Millions of Dish Subscribers Lose Exclusive TV Coverage of Emirates Cup and 2010 World Cup Qualifiers

Last update: 5:56 p.m. EDT Aug. 3, 2008



Sounds like the same story to me.
CourtTV, Lifetime, MLB, Voom and now Citadel Communications ( Iowa stations dropped a couple of days ago ).

Dish plays hard ball.
Find a carriage drop from DirecTV or Cable if you can!

Links:
Court TV
Jan 2, 2007

http://www.hollywood...003526304&imw=Y

Lifetime:
06-FEB-06
http://www.accessmyl...86-12625518_ITM

MLB:
http://www.dishnetwo...ngs/index.shtml

Voom:
http://news.cnet.com...-9943892-1.html

Citadel Communications:
http://www.woi-tv.co...772960&nav=1LFX





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Posted 04 August 2008 - 12:55 AM

... and now Citadel Communications ( Iowa stations dropped a couple of days ago )


Were those the stations that wanted a 300% fee increase for carrying their advertising-supported channels available for free OTA ?

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 12:57 AM

Yes you are correct.

But here is one that has yet to surface.

http://www.mediapost...e&art_aid=87396

Time Warner: Pay Univision Retrans Fees Or Face Consequences
by David Goetzl, Monday, Jul 28, 2008 7:30 AM ET

Now notice this quote:

In May 2007, Univision's CEO Joe Uva said the company deserves $1 per home per month from cable/satellite/telco TV operators to carry its owned Univision and Telefutura stations. (Univision's new private ownership group is looking to a rush of retrans dollars to bolster the company's revenues.)

Greenfield suggested that the $1 goal is a starting point in negotiations, but he expects the cost to still net out at more than 50 cents. Even at that level, it would be costly to TWC, he said.

In the meantime, Greenfield wrote he expects satellite competitors Dish and DirecTV to reach retrans agreements with Univision. Both need the deals in order to market their Spanish-language packages. And DBS operators have shown a willingness to cut deals that may be expensive up front, but can yield a back-end advantage in added subscribers when competing with cable.



Wonder if Dish is about to walk away from Univision.
At the price point Univision wants I think DirecTV could walk away as well.
The carriage deals are really getting out of hand as of late.


DirecTV has dropped TRIO and Lifetime Real Woman.


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Posted 04 August 2008 - 11:31 AM

Wonder if Dish is about to walk away from Univision.
At the price point Univision wants I think DirecTV could walk away as well.
The carriage deals are really getting out of hand as of late.


I hate if Univision is dropped from Dish, they carry a lot of the Mexican soccer games, and novelas (soaps) for the wife.
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Posted 04 August 2008 - 05:52 PM

These folks are trying to kill the golden goose.
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Posted 04 August 2008 - 05:59 PM

Don't miss it.... Never knew I had it! So subtract 1 from the 12 million...:)
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Posted 05 August 2008 - 09:09 PM

I guess we have to watch the "great" sport of fishing in "stunning" HD. What's next, removing the FSC so there is no soccer on E* at all?

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