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#326 OFFLINE   doctor j

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 10:22 AM

The original intent of this thread was for "proof of concept" and to devise a temporary ,more portable solution for tailgating, RV usage or other mobile situations.

The phase III / SL-3 LNB is NOT considered adequate for permanent intallation. It can be done. Often it works very well. However it's limitations should be recognized and should not be expected to give permanent Slimline replacement results.

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#327 OFFLINE   intruder351

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:24 PM

Installation includes SL-3 non-SWM LNB mounted to Phase III 18 X 20 reflector using H23/600 receiver. Installation is located in Sebring, FL. After aiming dish at 101, even transponders show 80s and 90s signal strengths while odd transponders show 60s signal strengths from 101. 103 transponders show signal strengths only in the 50s while 99 transponders show no signal. No amount of alignment (azim, elev, tilt) effort improves theses signals. Cable is connected directly from dish to receiver. Getting local SD and HD with no issues. For national HD channels, only getting ESPNU HD. I am interested in receiving national HD channels beamed from both 99 and 103, but mostly from 103. My dish alignment tool is an Accutrac Pro II. Reset receiver with no improvement. Setup used is Slimline 3 with multiswitch. What are suggestions for improving reception of HD national channels? Get the dish aligned properly? LNB issue? receiver issue? What else?:confused:


Got 'er done! Dish alignment was off. Signal levels now in 80s and 90's for all 101 transponders, 70s for 99 and 103 transponders. Acceptable for my RV application. Getting all local and national HD channels to which I subscribe.:grin::)

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:08 PM

That a boy. Glad you didn't listen to the naysayers here.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:16 PM

That a boy. Glad you didn't listen to the naysayers here.


Saying that you should use the ODU designed for a particular application makes you a naysayer? :rolleyes:
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:40 PM

I think it's pretty obvious that an SL3/5 on a Slimline is ideal but that is/was not point of this thread. As an RV'er I was looking for a less cumbersome alternative to the Slimline.

I found the answer here as did many others. Plus it's fun. When warm comes back, I am going to try swapping in a Dish 1000.2. I've, God forbid, rooted my Droid too! I also tear "do not remove" tags off mattresses.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:47 PM

I think it's pretty obvious that an SL3/5 on a Slimline is ideal but that is/was not point of this thread. As an RV'er I was looking for a less cumbersome alternative to the Slimline.

I found the answer here as did many others. Plus it's fun. When warm comes back, I am going to try swapping in a Dish 1000.2. I've, God forbid, rooted my Droid too! I also tear "do not remove" tags off mattresses.


It's not ideal, it's correct.
What sort of TV are you using on your tailgate/rv that is so huge and great that you need MPEG4 programming for anything other than LiLs anyhow (IF you're in an MPEG4 only market)? And if you don't, why not use an 18" ODU?
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:51 PM

It's not ideal, it's correct.
What sort of TV are you using on your tailgate/rv that is so huge and great that you need MPEG4 programming for anything other than LiLs anyhow (IF you're in an MPEG4 only market)? And if you don't, why not use an 18" ODU?


SD looks like CRAP on even my small 19". I wouldnt watch it, and sure wouldnt want fellow tailgaters to watch it. HD on a 19" monitor looks fantastic in comparison. Try it yourself.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 08:31 PM

Gee, our "Experimental Small Slimline3 Dish " thread has gone south. I pay my bill and if I want to watch HD in a tent on a 12" display with a pie pan for a dish, that's my business.

Thanks to those who have helped us set up our quick and dirty HD installs. I apologize for all of all of us that some self-appointed DirecTV policemen find us other than "correct". Sorry some have a problem with that.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 07:01 AM

It's not ideal, it's correct.
What sort of TV are you using on your tailgate/rv that is so huge and great that you need MPEG4 programming for anything other than LiLs anyhow (IF you're in an MPEG4 only market)? And if you don't, why not use an 18" ODU?


Are you serious? It took 15 minutes to swap the LNB and another 10 minutes to aim the dish correctly the first time. And I would in no way consider myself a satellite expert. However, I easily recognize the quality difference between SD and HD on my two 22" tv's. I consider my 25 minute time investment well worth it for the six tailgating Saturdays a year.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:25 AM

It's not ideal, it's correct.
What sort of TV are you using on your tailgate/rv that is so huge and great that you need MPEG4 programming for anything other than LiLs anyhow (IF you're in an MPEG4 only market)? And if you don't, why not use an 18" ODU?

You can't be serious. What an inappropriate question this is in 2011.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:40 AM

You can't be serious. What an inappropriate question this is in 2011.


Do think it is okay that we watch in color?

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 04:03 PM

You can't be serious. What an inappropriate question this is in 2011.


Seriously :D
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 08:24 AM

The phase III / SL-3 LNB setup for my RVing app is giving me HD viewing which I much prefer over SD. Very pleased with this "experiment" thus far. As expected, did see some reception break up during recent heavy rain and winds, but disturbance lasted only a few minutes. This experimental setup has been related to other RVers here in the park.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 08:27 AM

I anticipate come summer, there will be shortage of PhaseIII's. This mod is so simple most anyone wit can do it.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:10 AM

I just picked up a "Dish" 1000.2 off eBay. I intend to swap it in in place of the Phase III as a poster said the results are better on the 99 and 103. It is roughly the same size but 3" wider.

What is encouraging is that the bolt pattern matches that of the Phase III so that is one challenge behind me. Probably won't take for a spin for a few months as I want to be some place warm and stationary so I can play with arm angles and lengths. But then, maybe I'll get lucky and it will be fine just the way it is.

Got to do something about the unholy "Dish Turbo HD" logo too. Don't want to advertise for the dark side.

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 12:13 PM

Got to do something about the unholy "Dish Turbo HD" logo too. Don't want to advertise for the dark side.


:lol:

DirecTV HD is much easier to aim and set up for your average tailgater than a Dish HD rig.

Finding a signal without a separate meter on a Dish HD receiver especially on the eastern arc is near impossible.

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 01:32 PM

:lol:

DirecTV HD is much easier to aim and set up for your average tailgater than a Dish HD rig.

Finding a signal without a separate meter on a Dish HD receiver especially on the eastern arc is near impossible.


Just to be clear, I ain't us'n Dish. I just read here, that for us non-Slimliners, that the Dish 1000.2 mated to a a DirecTV SL3 gets better results on the 99 and the 101 than a Phase III does.

I have yet to have the opportunity to prove or disprove that.

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 05:01 PM

Just to be clear, I ain't us'n Dish. Dish 1000.2 mated to a a DirecTV SL3 gets better results on the 99 and the 101 than a Phase III does.

I have yet to have the opportunity to prove or disprove that.


If you get the arm length "Focal Point" correct you will definitely get better 99 & 103 signals because the dish is larger, Good Luck

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 05:22 PM

If you get the arm length "Focal Point" correct you will definitely get better 99 & 103 signals because the dish is larger, Good Luck


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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:11 PM

I have already sent this to schneid, but I thought I might as well post for anyone who may be interested. Just playing around, I decided to try a DISH 1000.4. It really wouldn't be that practical since it is 28" across, only 4" smaller that the Slimline. It would, however, mount on a 1-5/8" mount.

This is the original LNB arm with the DISH LNB. I made a tracing of it on the plywood.
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This is the tracing. The parallel red lines are only to help me get the direction correct for alignment.
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This is what it took to get the Directv LNB in as close to the same position and direction as I possibly could. Before bolting it in place I took it out and tweaked the top piece in and out, using the "C" clamp, looking for the max signal. The picture distorts the view a little but the LNB does align with the mark.
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I figured that since DISH had already done the calculations and mounted their LNB in the optimum focal point, there was no need for me to "reinvent the wheel". I picked up the all three satellites in the 90's.

This method should help for anyone who might be interested in hacking a DISH dish. The different methods they use to mount the LNB is the only reason for having to do any hacking at all. Stacking one arm piece on top of the other was convenient, because without raising the LNB up about 3/4" there was no way to match the original DISH LNB mount. The Slimline arm was long enough but left the LNB too low.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:17 PM

It ain't going to be pretty, that's for sure.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:39 PM

As long as the sat signals are in the 90's that's pretty enough for me.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:45 PM

I am going to try it as I have low 80's on 99 and 103 with my Phase III/SL3 combo. Although those are good enough, getting them in the 90's tweaked would allow a quicker yet dirty setup.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:47 PM

Besides, I think I just might be able to drink it pretty.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:20 AM

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Not to be outdone, here was the scene from NC State. I lurked the heck out of this thread last year and did the same thing with an old Phase III and SL3.

As someone who had always used a Dish 500 before switching, let me say finding the signal with DTV was exponentially quicker and easier. :)




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