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#126 OFFLINE   cmize95

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:31 PM

I just installed the phase 3 with a 5lnb. I am getting great signal on 101 and 99 (in the 90s) but I cannot get a signal period for 103c no matter how i adjust the tilt, elevation, or azimuth. I dont know what direction 103c is in respect to 99 and 101 so I dont know where to start fine tuning. Any ideas?

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:41 PM

I am running a phase III with a 5lnb and cannot get signal from 103c. My 101 and 99 are in the 90s. I dont know where 103c is in reference to 101 and 99 so I dont know where to start fine tuning. Any ideas?

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:56 PM

how i did it was:

peak 101 with elevation and azimuth using the lowest strength transponder (put it in the view where you can view only one tp at a time)

then switch to viewing sat 103 tp4, and carefully adjust the az/el/tilt to peak it in. 103 should be to the right of 101. I can't speak for the use of the SL5 LNB though, but it should work.

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 08:43 AM

Berniec, you are the man. You helped me fix in less than an hour what I worked on all night. Major props.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 09:13 AM

First, Thanks for the help. This is awesome. Following everyones (well, almost evryones) suggestions, I have the small slimline3 that is tripod mounted, with folding arm and fine tuning adjustment. It sure does work good. Just like you all said it would.

There is one small fly in the ointment though. It seems to take me a lot more effort than I would expect to locate the 101 satellite. Once I find it, everything falls right in. I do the tripod setup, set azimuth and elevation using Dishpointer, but still seem to have to trouble finding 101. I normally cannot see the receiver, but am using an Accutrac II. Any suggestions, or does it come with more practice?

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 10:52 AM

Just finished testing out my new tailgate setup done. I used the SL3 LNB, Phase III dish along with the conversion kit from tv4rv.com, and the Bullseye mount. The mount might be the most impressive thing- it clamps to anything and then the pipe itself can be moved along its' X and Y axis to make it plumb (by looking at the attached level). Once you have it in place you lock down the thumb screws and aim the dish.

I'm going to rig up a mount so that the bullseye mast itself (the black part pictured) can mate to the luggage rack on my SUV


Did it come with that big R on the dish?

#132 OFFLINE   berniec

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 03:55 PM

Did it come with that big R on the dish?


lol nah.

I started w/ a standard phase III dish, painted it matte black, and then had a local sign shop cut the 'R' (Rutgers logo) out of self adhesive vinyl (like they'd use on a lightbox sign) and stuck it on there. The schools colors are black and red hence the setup.

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 09:28 AM

I have done somemore tweaking with my Dish network dish and DirecTV 99/101/103 LNB. Moving the focal point in about 10 mm I am able to get 99 at 89%, 101 at 95% and 103c at 93%. Don't know what model this dish is but it's about 26" across.

I am surprised at how little the signal changes in response to changes in the skew. My best signals across the board seem to be at about 5 degrees off the recommended setting for my area.

This is the setup I plan to use while RVing. To me it's way better than the giant Slimline and giant tripod. With this dish I can use the 1-5/8" mount.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:07 PM

I had a WNC Triple Sat installed so I decided to buy an SL3 LNB and attach it to my dish to see what I could do. This is my first attempt at aligning this dish. I attached screenshots below of my signal readings.

One question I had for you all was I live in the 61109 zip code so I was unsure what transponders I should be using to peak the dish in. I do not have a meter so if i need to tweak it a bit more I will need to use the receiver to do it. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 06:43 PM

I had a WNC Triple Sat installed so I decided to buy an SL3 LNB and attach it to my dish to see what I could do. This is my first attempt at aligning this dish. I attached screenshots below of my signal readings, but I forgot to save my screenshot from 103(B).

One question I had for you all was I live in the 61109 zip code so I was unsure what transponders I should be using to peak the dish in. I do not have a meter so if i need to tweak it a bit more I will need to use the receiver to do it. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!


Need the 103(B) signals to say about overall alignment.

You understand that the SL3 on a TripleSat dish is a niche install that has very limited reserve (read rain fade resistence).
It's great for portable or temporary (RV or Tailgate) usage but's not much as a permanent setup. Usually get conus 99 or conus 103 good at one time. Can tweak to get the other as needed but difficult to get both good at the same time.

You'll be much better served to get slimline dish if you have a permanent setup!!

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 08:56 PM

I will get the 103(B) signals this weekend and post them for you all to look at.

I know this is a niche setup, but I am perfectly happy just changing out the LNB and not having to find a place for that huge slimline dish. I figure worse case I can run the dish setup again and change it to 101 only and just watch standard TV when the weather does get bad.

Does anyone have any words of wisdom for what the best transponders to use for alignment would be for my 61109 zipcode? Is there a chart to reference somewhere?

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 09:17 PM

I am on the ground floor of an apartment building and across the street is a 3-4 story apartment building with flat roof. I want to put the dish/tripod on my small patio if possible, barring that the roof of the apartment.

I used dishpointer and can someone explain what these numbers mean? I am trying to get an idea on what angle the signal is beamed down? Will the apt across the street block the signal.

Results from dishpointer are: Elevation 29.6, Azimuth (true) 151.8 and Azimuth (magn) 133.9

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I should have pictures tomorrow which maybe better.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 08:56 AM

I will get the 103(B) signals this weekend and post them for you all to look at.

I know this is a niche setup, but I am perfectly happy just changing out the LNB and not having to find a place for that huge slimline dish. I figure worse case I can run the dish setup again and change it to 101 only and just watch standard TV when the weather does get bad.

Does anyone have any words of wisdom for what the best transponders to use for alignment would be for my 61109 zipcode? Is there a chart to reference somewhere?


With your triple sat dish there is no ideal way or transponder to align.
The "best" is to look at the complete set of conus transponders 99a & 103b.
When they are (each set) the best they can be that's your spot.
Usually if the average 99a is better than the average 103b and you adjust to improve 103b you decrease 99a and visa versa. Just try to get all >80 and you'll be better than most.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 07:12 AM

I just edited my post #134 to show the signal strength for 103b. Looks like my 103 is slightly higher than 99 so it appears if I tweak it just a bit more I should have no problem at all getting all signals in the 80's on 99 and 03

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:35 AM

I think you're better than most can get on this setup.
I'd be happy with what you have.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:36 AM

jefe2514


You have very good numbers no additional tweaks required,Alignment of 99 & 103 slots with the fourteen transponders are the key to stable HD reception.


Good job!:)

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 12:43 PM

Thanks for the info and compliments guys! I honestly did not know how good this would work but so far I have had a few rainstorms and several windy days in the area and I have had not any problems. It was much easier to align than I originally thought as well.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:19 PM

I am looking to create a portable RV dish for 101, 103, and 99 like has been discussed here, and have some questions about the old equipment I have available to me.

My dish says "Directv Plus" and has the old 3lnb array for 101, 110, and 119. The dish says Channel Master P/N 3041124. It has attached on the back a 4-way multiswitch SMS-4/4 RP20 950-1450 Mhz, with an additional SatB/SatC combiner that says 18V/22Khz. 5 coax cables come from the LNB, 3 to the multiswitch, the other two to the combiner (one of which is SatC) and then to the 4th port of the multiswitch.

Now, after reading this thread, it would appear that I can use the old dish (this is a phase III?) with a new SL3 LNB for 99, 101, and 103) (non SWM). What I haven't seen mentioned is can I use the old existing multi-switch with this new LNB, or do I need to purchase a replacement? Is the old combiner used at all with the new setup? If the new LNB is mounted "flush" with the end of the arm, is this the correct length?
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 09:11 PM

I am looking to create a portable RV dish for 101, 103, and 99 like has been discussed here, and have some questions about the old equipment I have available to me.

My dish says "Directv Plus" and has the old 3lnb array for 101, 110, and 119. The dish says Channel Master P/N 3041124. It has attached on the back a 4-way multiswitch SMS-4/4 RP20 950-1450 Mhz, with an additional SatB/SatC combiner that says 18V/22Khz. 5 coax cables come from the LNB, 3 to the multiswitch, the other two to the combiner (one of which is SatC) and then to the 4th port of the multiswitch.

Now, after reading this thread, it would appear that I can use the old dish (this is a phase III?) with a new SL3 LNB for 99, 101, and 103) (non SWM). What I haven't seen mentioned is can I use the old existing multi-switch with this new LNB, or do I need to purchase a replacement? Is the old combiner used at all with the new setup? If the new LNB is mounted "flush" with the end of the arm, is this the correct length?


Since the new SL3 or SL5 LNB's have 4 outputs themselves I am not sure you would need the multi-switch and I do not believe it would work with those LNB's. You would not be able to pickup any extra channels anyway unless you are trying to pull in international channels as well and if so you would need a separate dish and a Zinwell WB68 Multi-switch to work with the KA Band.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 10:27 PM

I am looking to create a portable RV dish for 101, 103, and 99 like has been discussed here, and have some questions about the old equipment I have available to me.

My dish says "Directv Plus" and has the old 3lnb array for 101, 110, and 119. The dish says Channel Master P/N 3041124. It has attached on the back a 4-way multiswitch SMS-4/4 RP20 950-1450 Mhz, with an additional SatB/SatC combiner that says 18V/22Khz. 5 coax cables come from the LNB, 3 to the multiswitch, the other two to the combiner (one of which is SatC) and then to the 4th port of the multiswitch.

Now, after reading this thread, it would appear that I can use the old dish (this is a phase III?) with a new SL3 LNB for 99, 101, and 103) (non SWM). What I haven't seen mentioned is can I use the old existing multi-switch with this new LNB, or do I need to purchase a replacement? Is the old combiner used at all with the new setup? If the new LNB is mounted "flush" with the end of the arm, is this the correct length?


That sounds more like a Phase II with a sat c kit (or phase II plus). If that is the case then the arm is different, and it would be much more difficult to modify the Phase II arm than the minor modification required for the phase III dish.

http://www.solidsign...tenna_types.asp

Here you can find all the dish types. Phase II is near the bottom
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 01:45 PM

That sounds more like a Phase II with a sat c kit (or phase II plus). If that is the case then the arm is different, and it would be much more difficult to modify the Phase II arm than the minor modification required for the phase III dish.

Here you can find all the dish types. Phase II is near the bottom


Exactly, I apparently have a phase II with a sat c kit. Thanks for this revelation, unfortunately it would appear I have more work to do... Can anyone describe what arm length/position is appropriate for an SL3 LNB to be positioned properly with this dish, or should I just scrap it.

I believe with 4 coax outputs from the SL3 LNB, some type of multiswitch is required to select the appropriate orbit and polarity for each receiver connection. Is my phase II plus sat C multiswitch also useless for the SL3 LNB to attach to receiver?

Predicting that the answer to both of the above is "useless old stuff" what is the least expensive set of new hardware that will allow a single receiver to work with a "small" dish for 99, 101, and 103? I am really on a tight budget here.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:07 PM

The SL3 LNB has an integrated multiswitch, prior to the coax outputs. IE, each of the four outputs can feed a receiver with all sats independently without need of any external multiswitch.

The focal distance of the Phase II would be the same with the original LNBs as with the SL3. In fact, I'm fairly certain the size/shape of the reflector is identical to that of the Phase III anyway, the only problem is that the mounting point for the LNBs is quite different as it is designed for 3 separate LNB units instead of a single unit. It may be as simple as removing the LNBs from the original bracket, centering the SL3, and drilling some new holes for the mounting screws.

I doubt anyone has a Phase II handy to play with so you're probably on your own. Find some way to cram the SL3 into the existing bracket though, and I expect it will work as well as a phase III dish for your purposes.

If it is more complicated, or not doable, I would suggest just stopping a Directv tech if you happen to see him, and asking if he has any Phase III dishes on hand. Depending on your market he may, or may not. If he does, I bet $20 would convince him to let one fall off his truck.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:16 PM

Predicting that the answer to both of the above is "useless old stuff" what is the least expensive set of new hardware that will allow a single receiver to work with a "small" dish for 99, 101, and 103? I am really on a tight budget here.


Find local HSP warehouse. Their dumpster should be full of PhaseIIIs

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:14 PM

I honestly did not know how good this would work but so far I have had a few rainstorms and several windy days in the area and I have had not any problems. It was much easier to align than I originally thought as well.


After you have done one it honestly only takes an extra 10 minuets to properly align this dish,also after long term testing with the Slimline3 LNB I have found the phase III dish to be just as stable as the larger 5LNB dish.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:55 PM

The SL3 LNB has an integrated multiswitch, prior to the coax outputs. IE, each of the four outputs can feed a receiver with all sats independently without need of any external multiswitch.


Thanks, another revelation for me. I never realized the newer LNB's had built-in multiswitches. My bad.

The focal distance of the Phase II would be the same with the original LNBs as with the SL3. In fact, I'm fairly certain the size/shape of the reflector is identical to that of the Phase III anyway, the only problem is that the mounting point for the LNBs is quite different as it is designed for 3 separate LNB units instead of a single unit. It may be as simple as removing the LNBs from the original bracket, centering the SL3, and drilling some new holes for the mounting screws.


This is good news. I'll probably give it a try. Anyone try taping some aluminum foil to the reflector and shining a flashlight on it from the correct angle to see where the light is focused? A comparison of the middle LNB position of the old 3-lnb array and the new SL3 LNB mounted to the old arm should confirm whether I am in the ball park or not.
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