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Wiring my street for DTV?


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#1 OFFLINE   RonP

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 09:03 AM

We are planning to move from the Seattle area to Asheville, NC. We’ve been with DTV for 13 years, have lifetime TiVo, and hate to give it up – especially with the future HD Tivo boxes. Charter cable is already in the street but I’ve heard nothing good from the locals about their service, cable card support, TiVo support, etc.

The street we will be moving to is private and HOA owned and maintained. There are 6 empty lots on the street. Ours will be the first house built. None of the lots have a line of site to the S-SW sky because they are all heavily treed - but at the end of the street there is a location that should pick up all the sats from 99º to 119º. From the potential dish location to the last house it's about 850’.

So…what would it take for the HOA to wire the street, and the future 6 houses, for DTV?

- Can it be done? Wouldn’t it be similar to setting up an apt building for DTV?
- Would there be legal/ordinance issue? Are we now a utility competing with cable?
- What dish would we use?
- What multiswitch? Where would it be located? Would it need power?
- Amplifiers? Where? Power?
- What type of (buried) cable? RG11?
- How many cables would be needed along the street? Four cables per house (24 total)? One SWM cable per house (6 total)?
- Could we contract with a local sat installer to do this job?
- Ideas on cost (ignoring ditch/burial costs)?
- Anything else ?

P.S. Cutting trees is not an option.

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#2 OFFLINE   BNUMM

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 09:58 AM

It is possible. Check with DirecTv for information on multiple dwelling units.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 11:04 AM

CATV = Community Antenna Television. You have come full circle.

I was once an employee of a HOA and one of the constant tasks was arranging and or doing maintenance on their then state of the art antenna system. While you can do what you plan consider all the details.
You are going to duplicate what the cable company is already providing. With the number of subscribers you expect the DTV MDU (Multiple Dwelling Unit) deal will be expensive if they will even talk you at to you.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 11:05 AM

It would be expensive upfront and require special MDU (multiple dwelling units) hardware, but it is doable. For extremely wrong runs and multiple buildings they can do fiber technology where the receivers actually work on a network type connection to the main hub setup.

It also would have to be done through a MDU contractor or someone that knows how to do it, you cannot just call up Directv and ask for an install and expect them to come out an do it.

Checkout the MDU forum here for some more help:
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:50 PM

Hmmm. MDU seems way overkill in bureaucracy and cost for just 6 homes. Other than the 850' max end-to-end distance I was hoping such a setup would be nothing more complicated than sharing a remote dish with a big multiswitch and line amp. Lots of member setups on this forum and the tivocommunity forum sound more complicated than what I'm proposing.

What if we put a dish at the end of the road, had AC power run to it, hooked up a cascadable powered multiswitch and amp, and buried 4 RG11 cables in conduit to each house? With SWM maybe it's even simpler?

Would a DTV installer balk if he showed up with a receiver, asked where the dish was and I pointed 700' down the road?

Am I missing something? Should I just learn to love Charter cable and cable cards?

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 01:12 PM

Ron, who's going to pay for all this? Its going to take way more than 6 houses to offset the cost. You may have to live somewhere else if satellite tv is that important to you.

The only thing I can recommend is that you have a local installer come to your lot and have the LOS professionally checked. If you can't get it, I'm afraid its going to be cable.



I don't exactly how the MDU plans work, but when I had cable, it was on a municipal system fed by echostar (or dish network). The owner of the system had to pay a set amount every month and then sold packages to subscribers.They had dishes mounted to an antenna that was roughly 250' high. They also had 1200 homes to offset the cost of the system too.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 01:47 PM

There's one reason I avoid moving to or living in an HOA plan. Too many horror stories from friends and relatives about them. Can't hang a flag, paint this, cut grass a certain direction, ugh.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 02:03 PM

There's one reason I avoid moving to or living in an HOA plan. Too many horror stories from friends and relatives about them. Can't hang a flag, paint this, cut grass a certain direction, ugh.


It will be a cold day in hell before some HOA tells me I can't fly my flag. :flag: !pride
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 02:12 PM

Thanks guy. I didn't think it would be that big of a project. I was comparing it to the large/complex home setups I've read about on this forum - the only issue being distance from the dish to the receivers. One dish, one powered multiswitch getting power from a nearby lightpole, RG11 coax to each home, SWM making it even easier. It didn't seem too complex or costly (assuming I know a guy with a backhoe). I guess it is.

FWIW our HOA agreement is about 5 pages long. It's all common sense stuff. I think a little (just a little) regulation is good. I'd rather not have blue tarps covering RVs sitting on my street or the neighbor who mows his front yard just once a year.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 02:14 PM

There's one reason I avoid moving to or living in an HOA plan. Too many horror stories from friends and relatives about them. Can't hang a flag, paint this, cut grass a certain direction, ugh.


And conversely, there's no way I'd live in a neighborhood without an HOA. Too many pink houses, junker cars in the yard and 2 foot tall grass in the yards.

HOA's can be very beneficial as long as you read it ahead of time and know exactly what it specifies.


To the OP: Can't you pick a lot that's closer to where the dish could go? Where is this location? It's common area? I doubt the rest of the residents would want a dish on a pole there.

It will be a cold day in hell before some HOA tells me I can fly my flag. :flag: !pride



You'd rather live somewhere that you can't fly the flag? Doesn't seem very patriotic to me.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 02:18 PM

And conversely, there's no way I'd live in a neighborhood without an HOA. Too many pink houses, junker cars in the yard and 2 foot tall grass in the yards.

HOA's can be very beneficial as long as you read it ahead of time and know exactly what it specifies.


To the OP: Can't you pick a lot that's closer to where the dish could go? Where is this location? It's common area? I doubt the rest of the residents would want a dish on a pole there.




You'd rather live somewhere that you can't fly the flag? Doesn't seem very patriotic to me.



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Posted 21 September 2008 - 02:41 PM

Back to the MDU idea!

Think one channel per receiver; One hundred & thirty channels = 130 receivers x $5.00 / month.

Grind that number correctly on the MDU forum but that is the direction you are headed.

The fiber connection sounded pretty good.

A LOS for the dish is critical. A tower through and above the trees might be worth a look. Eight hundred and fifty feet is a real long run!

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 02:44 PM

Even with large amps, conventional methods used for a single home install have much too limited of a range to go 800+ feet.
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 05:54 PM

FYI: The SWM does not need the 110/119 in your area.




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