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#26 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 08:09 PM

I have the Onkyo 875 and it's hands down the best A/V receiver I've ever owned. Fully 7.1 and it processes 1080p video natively, unlike others that upconvert 720p to 1080p. The AVS forums have a lot of info on this stuff.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 02:32 PM

I'm getting ready, got the receiver and PS3 to play the Blu-ray disks (though the PS3 won't bitstream the new codecs, have to have it do the decoding and send PCM - still have HD-MA & True-HD that way but don't get to see it displayed on your receiver). Have to get in the attic and string wire.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 06:06 AM

I've had 7.1 THX certified audio in my Home Theater now for 3 years - very, very pleased iwth the performance.

For those DVD's authored with support for 7.1 surround..the audio is nothing shy of stunning.

For other sources in 5.1 or 6.1...still extremely impressive. If I had to do it over again, I would repeat my 7.1 installation.
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Posted 04 November 2008 - 10:57 AM

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 12:58 PM

I've had 7.1 THX certified audio in my Home Theater now for 3 years - very, very pleased iwth the performance.

For those DVD's authored with support for 7.1 surround..the audio is nothing shy of stunning.

For other sources in 5.1 or 6.1...still extremely impressive. If I had to do it over again, I would repeat my 7.1 installation.


Thank you HDTVFAN. I appreciate your thoughtful opinions

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 08:30 AM

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 08:34 AM

Thank you HDTVFAN. I appreciate your thoughtful opinions

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No problem.

If you look at the 175+ 7.1 audio DVD offerings, and also the trend towards 7.1 in both equipment (such as Blu Ray) and content provider outputs.....there are plenty of things out there to enjoy 7.1 and also as well still in 5.1 or 6.1.
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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:22 PM

I have two Onkyo 7.1 setups. One really well set up in my basement theater and sound absolutely awesome.
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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:32 PM

I'm quite happy with 7.1, even for listening to music. (I'm used to hearing live music from within the band and my 7.1 setup brings me much the same perspective to recorded music.)

With respect to HDMI capabilities, you should look to get a receiver with HDMI repeater capabilities, not just HDMI pass through switching. This way, the receiver can access the audio data stream for direct processing. (It can also do transcoding of other inputs and feed them out on HDMI to the TV.)

If you just have pass through HDMI switching, you still have to link the audio back from the TV to the receiver for surround sound and run non HDMI receiver inputs to the TV with additional cables.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 11:58 PM

I have an AVR-5805 which can to 10.3, but I'm only wired for 10.2, and only have speakers for 7.1. My other reciever is AVR-3806 which is setup for 7.1. Both are older than the current generation, but accept multichannel PCM and have analog inputs. I love my setup...
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Posted 01 March 2009 - 03:40 PM

if upgrading from 5.1 to 7.1, and from 4 satellites to 4 satellites + pillars respectively, is there an industry standard for placement of the pillars.... Fronts or Sides?

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 09:33 PM

I have no idea what a pillar is, other than architecturally. Do you mean floor standing speakers? If so, floor standing speakers would be the front left and right and the 4 satellite speakers would be your sides and rears.
If adding 2 more speakers to a 5.1 setup, you want to try and match the sonic signature of your existing speakers (i.e. buy the same brand and style if you can).

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 07:52 AM

I have no idea what a pillar is, other than architecturally. Do you mean floor standing speakers? If so, floor standing speakers would be the front left and right and the 4 satellite speakers would be your sides and rears.
If adding 2 more speakers to a 5.1 setup, you want to try and match the sonic signature of your existing speakers (i.e. buy the same brand and style if you can).


your guess was correct, pillar = floor standing speaker. i've also heard them called column speakers. could be colloquial... dunno.

anyway, just as you said typically the "pillars" are in the front. i'm assuming this is for aesthetics and when listening to music the receiver goes into Direct Mode transferring a 2 channel signal to the fronts.

if all things being equal between mids and highs of sats and pillars (i know you'd want the better speakers in front), why couldnt you put the pillars on the sides. i think this scenario would look better in my wider than average living room, and since i dont actually "sit" and listen to music, it may sound better as well.

the only question is can some of the higher end receivers be setup to output Direct to differenct locations. i know my Onkyo def. does not.

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 09:46 AM

It's not just aesthetics. Floor standing speakers generally have bigger drivers and are more capable of producing bass. If you're using a subwoofer with a roll-off of 80hz (for example), a floor standing speaker will generally handle the bass above 80, much better than a surround speaker. In a 5.1 or 7.1 setup, the 2 front speakers (and center) are receiving 80% - 90% of the soundtrack. The sides and rears are only receiving supplemental information and rarely any bass at all. That's why you want your better speakers up front, not to mention the fact that 2 channel will be directed there as you mentioned.

Of course, this all assumes that the towers that you're adding are good ones (better than the bookshelves). If you don't want to use the towers up front, you might as well get 2 more bookshelves and save some money.

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Posted 03 March 2009 - 01:22 PM

good post, good info.

my roll-off / crossover is set at 80hz (i believe this is factory default). this got me wondering, what is the frequency range for bass. what i found was 20hz-160hz.

i honestly did not know that. i assumed all bass was being passed to my sub. but as you stated there is an upper range that my satellites are handling.

i am using polk RM2300 sats / RM2600 center with PSW350 sub. i bought these about 9-10 years ago and could not be happier. i am considering polk RTi-A7s for my floors. obviously i'll rotate out 2 2300s until i go 7.1, but that may be a year. i just hope Polks quality is as good today as it was back then. i'll want to give them a "test drive" before i pull the trigger.

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:58 AM

I would love to do 7.1 but my problem is my couch sits up against the wall, and I would have to mount the back surrounds on the wall angled down. Probably not the best way to go, not to mention the WAF also!
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 05:41 PM

I would love to do 7.1 but my problem is my couch sits up against the wall, and I would have to mount the back surrounds on the wall angled down. Probably not the best way to go, not to mention the WAF also!


Since the back surrounds provide ambiance for effects, wall mounted would be fine -- typically 2 to 3 feet above listener's head level. You definitely would not want to have them pointing straight down. I have two 6.1 systems, and in both cases, the seating is against the wall. The rear surround in both cases is 4 to 5 feet above head level. Not really desirable, but I had no choice. The speakers are angled down about 45 degrees below the horizontal.

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 08:33 PM

Since the back surrounds provide ambiance for effects, wall mounted would be fine --


I don't think his issue was the wall mounting. It was the fact that his seating is up against the rear wall and the recommendation when using 7.1 is to have the rears 4' - 5' behind you.

That being said, everyone has to make compromises.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 06:46 AM

I don't think his issue was the wall mounting. It was the fact that his seating is up against the rear wall and the recommendation when using 7.1 is to have the rears 4' - 5' behind you.

That being said, everyone has to make compromises.


I agree completely that most of us have to make compromises. In my case, I had to make a number of them due to the shape and configuration of my room. Take a look at the diagram below:

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The above 20'x20' room has a LOT of glass on the three exposed walls, making wall mounting of the surround speakers difficult -- if not impossible. The open doorway near the TV makes centering the TV impossible. The placement of the couch at the rear makes it a bit too close to the rear surrounds. Although I could fix this by moving the couch forward a bit more, I haven't done it yet to keep peace in the family ;)

Even with all of those compromises, the sound is pretty good. The auto-calibration program (YPAO) in my Yamaha RX-V663 seems to smooth out the issues fairly well.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:36 AM

I don't think his issue was the wall mounting. It was the fact that his seating is up against the rear wall and the recommendation when using 7.1 is to have the rears 4' - 5' behind you.

That being said, everyone has to make compromises.


I understood that. I have a similar situation to the OP, and have to deal with the rears and surround not being more that 2 feet behind the listener. Further, because of a passthru to the kitchen, the speakers are about 8 feet above floor level. Certainly not a good situation, but we make the best of it. :eek2::(

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:41 PM

In my case, I have stadium seating and my back row is "elevated" higher than my front row of seating. My rear speakers on my 7.1 setup are above and slightly behind the rear seating.

My Onkyo v989 receiver allows me to perfectly balance all the speakers. I actually had it done originally with a pro using a sound meter. Harmonics in the room were virtually eliminated.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 12:53 PM

Is there any kind of wireless solution for the rear surrounds?
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:15 PM

Is there any kind of wireless solution for the rear surrounds?


The only thing I have seen to date is in the form of Home Theater in a Box (HTIB) systems. Several manufacturers have models with wireless rears.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:26 AM

I have seen 1-2 wireless speaker setups, but honestly, interference and performance would be 2 of the issues I'd have to research further.

If you google wireless speakers, there are some options out there, but personally, I would not take that approach.
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