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#21 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 11:03 AM

Is "soon" getting closer? ;)

Bring on the 1080P/24hz programs :D

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#22 OFFLINE   Steve615

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 07:34 PM

Is "soon" getting closer? ;)

Bring on the 1080P/24hz programs :D


It appears that "soon" is getting closer.
Check out the "1080p Programming" page from DirecTV. :)

http://www.directv.c...ssetId=P5300034

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 08:14 PM

It appears that "soon" is getting closer.
Check out the "1080p Programming" page from DirecTV. :)

http://www.directv.c...ssetId=P5300034


cool..

the page states "DIRECTV now presents select DIRECTV on DEMAND titles in 1080p. And stay tuned as our 1080p library continues to grow."

Where is this "library"? I cannot find it....

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 08:29 PM

In 2007, the first consumer TVs were introduced that could display 24 fps content properly


I got my Pioneer 1080p /24 TV in 2006
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 08:34 PM

I got my Pioneer 1080p /24 TV in 2006


What's the model number?

Likely it will accept 1080/24p signals, but doesn't display them at a refresh rate that's an even multiple of 24.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 08:39 PM

What's the model number?

Likely it will accept 1080/24p signals, but doesn't display them at a refresh rate that's an even multiple of 24.


http://www.hometheat...ys/0207pioneer/

3 times 24 = 72, and thats my refresh rate.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 08:54 PM

Okay, so you own the one 2006 model that does a proper 24 fps refresh! :)

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:14 PM

For whatever interest it may have, my Samsung pn50a450, a 720p set, advertises the ability to accept 1080p/24 signals, and it does. I downloaded the Hulk 1080p trailer and played it. Two lights on my HR20 lit up for the 1080p signal, and the picture looked okay.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:21 PM

Okay, so you own the one 2006 model that does a proper 24 fps refresh! :)


I knew what I was getting when I got it. ;)
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 07:00 AM

For whatever interest it may have, my Samsung pn50a450, a 720p set, advertises the ability to accept 1080p/24 signals, and it does. I downloaded the Hulk 1080p trailer and played it. Two lights on my HR20 lit up for the 1080p signal, and the picture looked okay.


Does the same thing on my 32" Samsung 780p, but it doesn't show it in all it's 1080p glory, it's converted to 780p by the TV.

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 06:38 PM

I knew what I was getting when I got it. ;)


You did very, very well! You may notice that I look a little green over here... :D

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Posted 03 January 2009 - 10:52 AM

cool..

the page states "DIRECTV now presents select DIRECTV on DEMAND titles in 1080p. And stay tuned as our 1080p library continues to grow."

Where is this "library"? I cannot find it....


My thoughts on this would be that they are working on the "library",but just haven't released it to the public yet.
I've snooped around a bit on DirecTV's site,but nothing is coming up for the "library" at this time.

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 09:19 AM

Couple questions on this,
My new Sony Bravia displayed 1080/24p in the banner, so I suppose it supports 1080/24. In my HRDVR22 is have resolutions 1080i and 1080p and you can test the 1080p but cannot choose it as an output. Is that just there for future use? Is says you cannot choose 1080p from the "format" button. I turned on native and I assume the test trailer outputed at 1080/24p directly from the DVR, and was not changed by the tv itself, but, will ALL content be 1080/24p out of the DVR in the future or will the 1080p output of the DVR be 1080/60p for video content? Also, what happens with the new 120HZ displays? wouldn't that make judder even worse, not better as they claim? :confused:

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 05:32 PM

I also looked for this library, it has but 1 listing the hulk trailer.If anyone knows of others please let us know.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 08:11 PM

Couple questions on this,
My new Sony Bravia displayed 1080/24p in the banner, so I suppose it supports 1080/24. In my HRDVR22 is have resolutions 1080i and 1080p and you can test the 1080p but cannot choose it as an output. Is that just there for future use? Is says you cannot choose 1080p from the "format" button.


When you download 1080p content, which for now is only the Hulk test trailer, it will initiate a test of your TV, and if you have a 2007/2008 Sony, it will pass and select 1080p for you, because your TV will support 1080/24p input signals.

I turned on native and I assume the test trailer outputed at 1080/24p directly from the DVR, and was not changed by the tv itself, but, will ALL content be 1080/24p out of the DVR in the future or will the 1080p output of the DVR be 1080/60p for video content?


HD from the various networks is either 720p or 1080i. Those are the formats they send to everyone. No one broadcasts anything in 1080p. Thus, 1080p is limited to downloaded PPV 1080/24p content. Everything else will be 720p or 1080i if Native is ON, and will be converted to whatever resolution the receiver is set to with Native OFF, with 1080i being max.

Also, what happens with the new 120HZ displays? wouldn't that make judder even worse, not better as they claim? :confused:


Judder is caused by trying to display a film source, which is 24 frames per second, on a 60 frame per second TV. 60 isn't evenly divisible by 24, so there is no way to display each film frame for 1/24th of a second, as it is intended to be seen. So, the way it's always been done is to repeat the first film frame 3 times, then the second film frame twice, the third 3 times, the fourth frame twice, and so on. So, the 12 odd-numbered film frames are shown 3 times each, and the 12 even-numbered film frames are shown 2 times each. 3x12=36 2x12=24 36+24=60. This is called a 3:2 cadence, and often called telecine.

But you can see the problem: odd-numbered frames are on the screen for too long (1/20th of a second) and the even-numbered frames aren't displayed for long enough (1/30th of a second). This creates judder, and on bigger, higher-def displays, it is more noticable than in the past.

The solution is for the TV to offer additional refresh rates other than 60 Hz; specifically, a resolution that was an even multiple of 24. And in the last couple of years, TVs have been available with displays that refresh at 48, 72, 96, or 120 Hz, in addition to the standard 60 Hz. At any of those resolutions, 24-frame content can be displayed by repeating each frame the same number of times that the refresh rate is a multiple of 24.

So, a 120 Hz TV should refresh 24p content by repeating each frame 5 times. 5x24=120. Or a 72 Hz TV would repeat each frame 3 times. 3x24=72.
This way, each film frame is displayed for exactly 1/24th of a second, just like in the movie theater. Judder is eliminated.

Note that all current TVs require that any motion stabilizer software, such as Sony's Motion Flow, be DISABLED in order to get proper 24p refresh.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 09:53 PM

IIP, how many times you already explained the 1080p/24 details ?

Wouldn't be easy to provide URL to your initial posts (not just one !) about this ? ;)
I'm guarantee you - the question will come each week while Dish/DTV still provide such movies.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 10:13 PM

IIP, how many times you already explained the 1080p/24 details ?

Wouldn't be easy to provide URL to your initial posts (not just one !) about this ? ;)
I'm guarantee you - the question will come each week while Dish/DTV still provide such movies.


I know. The problem is that I can never seem to find the right post, so I end up re-typing it all, and each time I tell myself that this is going to be the last time... :lol:

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 11:07 PM

My Samsung 4665F Gets the 1080P signal just fine. Looks great! When I pushed the Hulk trailer play button, the clip started, the two rightmost lights lit on my HR23-700 and when I pushed the TV info button, the info screen showed 1080p at 24hz.

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:00 PM

A new thread was started about this in the HD DVR forum a little while ago,but I thought I would post the info in this thread too.
The full length film version (1 hour,53 minutes) of The Incredible Hulk appears to be available in 1080p on channel 1100 at this time.
It is available until 3/31/09.
Purchase price is $4.99.
If interested,go to channel 1100,select High-Def and scroll down the listings.The Hulk in 1080p is listed underneath Hellboy II.

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:06 PM

IIP - You seem to be the most knowledgable about this subject. I am in the unfortunate group of folks that purchased a 1080P TV before 24P was introduced into TVs . When I purchased my TV, I knew nothing about 24P and thought I was spending the extra money to get something that would last. I purchased a Sony Bravia V series that only produces a 1080p/60 signal.

I didn't realize this until after I purchased by Blu Ray bdps 350 player this christmas. Unfortunately my picture is not as smooth as I hoped and as the displays do at Best Buy. I was quite disheartened to learn that my 1080P that I have been talking up for a couple years is already out of date.

My question to you for everyone else in my situation, is it worth having a blu ray player if you can't get 24P?

Someone told me, "the best wine you could drink is the wine you like." In light of that, this question can be answered by me and by eveyone else. Personally, I do like the 1080P resolution and I can tell a difference. I also love the upconversion. I have actually strayed from buying DVDs over the last two years in anticipation of owning a blu ray player.

I guess I am looking for more technical reassurance that this purchase was still worth it. I am on the fence about perhaps bringing the Blu Ray player back since I can't maximize it's potential. I really wanted that realistic look that Spider Man 3 displayed at the store.

Your insight and opinion would be greatly appreciated and I hope to see your response.

Sincerely,
The unfortunate 1080p/60 owner




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