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#41 OFFLINE   davring

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 05:22 PM

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#42 OFFLINE   BattleZone

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 07:38 PM

My question to you for everyone else in my situation, is it worth having a blu ray player if you can't get 24P?


IMO, absolutely!

Of course, in the ideal world, your TV would do 24p perfectly, but you had 2-3 years more HD than most who waited had, so there is that.

Also, what would your alternative to Blu-Ray be? Up-converted 480p DVDs? They simply can't compare to a Blu-Ray, even one converted to 1080/60p (which your Blu-Ray player can do) or 1080/60i (which is the upper limit of the sat receiver when converting 1080/24p content). Blu-Ray still offers full resolution, mega bit-rates, and hi-def audio that isn't available anywhere else. And the prices of players and movies is coming down fast. Investing another cent in DVD is foolish at this point, especially given that your Blu-Ray player will do a great job of up-scaling the DVDs you already own.

And, at some point in the future, you'll probably migrate your current TV into another room and upgrade, and when that happens, would you rather your copy of The Dark Knight be on DVD or Blu-Ray? I thought so.

Last, do you really think that TVs won't continue to improve and add cool new features every year? We're still in the MIDDLE (not the end, but the middle) of the transition from standard def, which was around for 70+ years as the standard, to Hi-Def and digital. It'll be another 5 years minimum before things truly settle out. Your gear, which is darn good, will do you just fine until then.

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 02:15 PM

This is my first time visiting the web site. Thank you both who responded so quickly with your opinions. I agree with what you have said and feel more confident in my decision to go Blu.

The upconversion is really nice and I can now feel comfortable purchasing new DVD's on the 1080P format.

So when Wolverine comes out late this year or when the next Harry Potter film comes out, I will be looking forward to the Blu Ray versions!

As a side note, I have searched forums on this website for a conversation about aspect ratios. I have been pleasantly suprised to see 1.85:1 on some blu rays as I am one for taking the full screen as best you can.

IIP, do you have any thoughts on 1.85:1 and do you think more new Blu Ray DVDs will come out in this format?

Thanks again,
Vanthony

#44 OFFLINE   BattleZone

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 02:52 PM

Blu-Rays will use whatever Aspect Ratio the filmmaker selected, and directors focus and prioritize on the movie theater experience, not the home experience. Generally, they will use 2.35:1 for special effects or "epic" movies where the backgrounds are a big part of the story. 1.85:1 is usually used for dramas and comedies where it's all about the people, not the scenery.

The Dark Knight is one of the only movies to date that's been a little different: several scenes for TDK were shot in IMAX, which is 1.43:1 format, to allow more detail, and were cropped down to 2:35:1 for the movie theater prints. On the Blu-Ray, these scenes were only cropped down to 1.77:1, so you'll notice that on those IMAX scenes, your whole TV screen will be filled. I don't know of any other movie that's done this, but the result is that you actually get to see more of the shot than in the theater.

I wouldn't expect directors to shift everything to 1.85:1, though. From their perspective, the fact that a movie theater does 2.35:1 better than the home TV is to their advantage: it helps put behinds in movie theater seats, which is where they really want you to watch their movies.

#45 OFFLINE   Steve615

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 06:56 PM

Channel 1100 recently added 9 trailers free to view in 1080p.
They are listed as follows:

Eagle Eye
Ghost Town
Hellboy 2
Iron Man
Kung Fu Panda
Sukiyaki Western
The Women
Transsiberian
Tropic Thunder

The titles have the HD 1080p icon listed beside them.
I'm downloading some of them now to see if they are 1080p material. :)

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:02 PM

Looks like they are all 1080p/24. :)

Played each one -
Eagle Eye
Ghost Town
Hell Boy
Iron Man
Kung Fu Panda
Sukiyaki Western
The Woman
Transsiberian
Tropic Thunder

and all are 1080P/24 as reported by my Samsung LN46A630.

Video looks good!

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#47 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:02 PM

Channel 1100 recently added 9 trailers free to view in 1080p.
They are listed as follows:

Eagle Eye
Ghost Town
Hellboy 2
Iron Man
Kung Fu Panda
Sukiyaki Western
The Women
Transsiberian
Tropic Thunder

The titles have the HD 1080p icon listed beside them.
I'm downloading some of them now to see if they are 1080p material. :)


Thanks for the heads up. I'm downloading now too.

#48 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 10:31 AM

Looks like they are all 1080p/24. :)

Played each one -
Eagle Eye
Ghost Town
Hell Boy
Iron Man
Kung Fu Panda
Sukiyaki Western
The Woman
Transsiberian
Tropic Thunder

and all are 1080P/24 as reported by my Samsung LN46A630.

Video looks good!


Picture quality looked great on these. However, not all were DD5.1

If and when I pay for a 1080P/24hz movie it best be DD5.1

#49 OFFLINE   bighoopla

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 09:22 PM

I'm going home tonight to hook-up my ethernet cable, so I can start downloading DOD trailers and movies in 1080p.

I'm at work right now and can only view DTV's DOD titles on their web site. NOTHING...I SAY NOTHING...has a 1080p logo next to it on DTV's web site.

Is this normal? Do they only put the 1080p logo next to the titles when I searching for programs using my receiver?

#50 OFFLINE   Paul A

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 08:29 AM

What does the green circle with the checkmark next to some movies signify?

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 08:44 AM

QUOTE=Paul A;1965640]What does the green circle with the checkmark next to some movies signify?[/QUOTE]

The title is already available in your movies now tab:eek2:

#52 OFFLINE   Paul A

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:22 AM

Oh, I see now. in the Top Movies Tab there is a Top Movies folder inside that I hadn't noticed before. Within that folder are the green checkmarked movies. Who Knew? You did, thanks, Paul

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 05:58 PM

How much difference is there in quality between 1080i, VOD downloded 1080p/24 and Blu-ray?

DirecTV compresses down some of their channels--do they add no additional compression to 1080p/24 VOD?

How much better does not additionally compressed
1080p/24 VOD look compared to the same movie that is 1080i and is additionally compressed like on HBO for example?

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 07:53 PM

How much difference is there in quality between 1080i, VOD downloded 1080p/24 and Blu-ray?

DirecTV compresses down some of their channels--do they add no additional compression to 1080p/24 VOD?

How much better does not additionally compressed
1080p/24 VOD look compared to the same movie that is 1080i and is additionally compressed like on HBO for example?


I downloaded six VOD 1080p trailers. I don't have Blu-ray to compare them to, but some of the trailers were no better than some 1080i movies that I've seen on HBO, SHO, MAX, etc. A few of them were slightly better, but I personally wouldn't notice the difference between 1080i & 1080p after a few minutes into a good movie.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 08:03 PM

If on a scale of 1 to 10 Bluray is a 10, HBO in 1080i is a 5 and football on Fox in 720p is a 1, I would say that the 1080p/24 VOD downloads are about a 6 or 7.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 08:45 PM

If on a scale of 1 to 10 Bluray is a 10, HBO in 1080i is a 5 and football on Fox in 720p is a 1, I would say that the 1080p/24 VOD downloads are about a 6 or 7.


I agree. FOX NFL 720p blows and 1080p is a notch or two above HBO 1080i. Using your scale, I'd have to put The Tonight Show with Jay Leno in 1080i on NBC at about an 8. They must use state-of-the-art cameras.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:56 PM

This DIRECTV link ( http://www.directv.c...setId=P5300034 ) states:

"DIRECTV now presents select DIRECTV on DEMAND titles in 1080p. And stay tuned as our 1080p library continues to grow."

Where are these movies? Where is this library? If I'm an average Joe looking for a provider and I read this, to me it sounds like DIRECTV has a 1080P library. The keyword "now" leads me to believe it's live. Does several "trailers" constitute a library? The web page is very deceptive.....

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:41 PM

Dish has free 1080p shows will direct tv do the same when they get 1080p up?

http://www.dishnetwo...er/default.aspx

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:57 PM

I agree. FOX NFL 720p blows and 1080p is a notch or two above HBO 1080i. Using your scale, I'd have to put The Tonight Show with Jay Leno in 1080i on NBC at about an 8. They must use state-of-the-art cameras.


The Tonight Show has long been NBCs "leading technology" platform, and was the first network show to go to HD, FIVE YEARS AGO. It's hard to believe it was that long ago, but it was. The production staff has had longer than anyone to learn the ins and outs of HD production, and it's a very controlled environment that's good for testing new things.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 12:04 PM

So is it Directv's plan to only do 1080p over DOD (internet)? Or possibly via satellite as well?

I'm also curious as to the average download size of a 1080p movie.... if you compare a blueray movie which is 20-30gb on disc... curious how this will affect bandwidth caps with people's ISPs.

How large 1 hour of Directv's mpeg4 HD 1080i 5gb? If you double that for 1080p you would get 10gb, for a 2 hour movie 20gb?

I have a fast internet connection so thats not a problem for me and I currently have no monthly bandwidth cap, but my ISP (AT&T) is planning to implement one in the future @ 150gb (maybe 1 year or so from now).




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