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#61 OFFLINE   BattleZone

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 01:10 PM

So is it Directv's plan to only do 1080p over DOD (internet)? Or possibly via satellite as well?


Internet ONLY. There isn't enough sat bandwidth for it, at the bitrates they are using for DoD, without reducing channels.

As downloading HD movies becomes more common, bandwidth issues and download caps ARE going to be a problem for most people, which is why it will be a long time before disc-based media (i.e., Blu-Ray) will be replaced by downloads, though downloads will likely be the primary method eventually (a decade or more). In 2 years, you'll be able to fit 64GB on a MicroSD card, but it will probably be 4 years before they'll be cheap enough ($5 or so) to make them the format of choice.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 02:01 PM

Internet ONLY. There isn't enough sat bandwidth for it, at the bitrates they are using for DoD, without reducing channels.

As downloading HD movies becomes more common, bandwidth issues and download caps ARE going to be a problem for most people, which is why it will be a long time before disc-based media (i.e., Blu-Ray) will be replaced by downloads, though downloads will likely be the primary method eventually (a decade or more). In 2 years, you'll be able to fit 64GB on a MicroSD card, but it will probably be 4 years before they'll be cheap enough ($5 or so) to make them the format of choice.


Ok thanks. Couldn't they just combine say two PPV HD channel's bandwidth somehow and make it act as 1 1080p HD PPV channel? If they could I they would still only have enough room for a few of those, and that would limit the selection greatly.

#63 OFFLINE   BattleZone

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 03:15 PM

They could do that, but as you state, they would be giving up a whole second channel, and they obviously don't feel that it's worth the tradeoff. Given the relatively small (but rapidly growning) number of people with TVs that suppor 1080/24p signals, I'd agree.

Also, people would suddenly decide that they NEEDED *their* favorite programming in 1080p. And most content isn't supplied that way anyway.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 04:00 PM

Very true, I know that I would lol.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 04:06 PM

Ok thanks. Couldn't they just combine say two PPV HD channel's bandwidth somehow and make it act as 1 1080p HD PPV channel? If they could I they would still only have enough room for a few of those, and that would limit the selection greatly.


They can do that for PUSH PPV HD but will they have the room on the DRV for 10 1080P movies in movies now?

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 02:24 PM

Internet ONLY. There isn't enough sat bandwidth for it, at the bitrates they are using for DoD, without reducing channels.

1080p24 needs less bandwidth for the "same quality" as a 1080i stream. We're not talking about 1080p60 here!

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 03:50 PM

1080p24 needs less bandwidth for the "same quality" as a 1080i stream. We're not talking about 1080p60 here!

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Could be, but if you take Dish ( at least we can measure its FVODs ), the 1080p movies making 15 Mbps video stream from files saved overnight. It will cost 3x HD PPV [H.264] online actually. That's happen because of an attempt to defeat Blu-Ray. They need make it more attractive as possible.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 04:15 PM

1080p24 needs less bandwidth for the "same quality" as a 1080i stream. We're not talking about 1080p60 here!

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Not true. At the same quality, a 1080/24p movie encoded at 1080/60i has only a tiny amount of additional information vs. the original 1080/24p source. The difference is pretty negigible.

BUT... all things are NOT equal. The 1080/24p DoD movies are offered at a substantially-increased bitrate compared to anything that is broadcast via satellite, which is the biggest reason why they look and sound better. It still isn't Blu-Ray quality, but it's about half-way between normal broadcast and Blu-Ray (with audio limited to DolbyDigital). The native progressive scan eliminates interlacing artifacts, but that's a minor issue compared to the larger bitrate.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 07:04 PM

"The 1080/24p DoD movies are offered at a substantially-increased bitrate" - is there any real measured data ? I don't recall such posts about DTV DoD movies here.

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Posted 15 March 2009 - 05:11 PM

The Tonight Show has long been NBCs "leading technology" platform, and was the first network show to go to HD, FIVE YEARS AGO.


Actually, it's been nearly 10 years.

From Wikipedia (and my memory as a 2nd source):
"On April 26, 1999, the show began broadcasting in 1080i HDTV, becoming the first American nightly talk show to be shot in high definition."

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 01:57 PM

Have the 1080p trailers disappeared? I have searched and can not find them. Thanks.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:05 PM

Have the 1080p trailers disappeared? I have searched and can not find them. Thanks.

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I can't find them either!

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 05:27 PM

I can't find them either!

just got my new 1080p hooked up and would sure like to see 1080p in action. :)
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Posted 06 April 2009 - 05:54 PM

The Dark Knight full length film is now available in 1080p on channel 1100.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 05:56 PM

How about that, there is a 1080p selection in the website guide filter now. First time I remember seeing that.
Guess I'll pass on the PPV, got the Blu-ray sitting there from Netflix.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 08:06 PM

How about that, there is a 1080p selection in the website guide filter now. First time I remember seeing that.
Guess I'll pass on the PPV, got the Blu-ray sitting there from Netflix.

Can't find this.
DirecTV.com -> On Demand -> Movies -> Filter by .... nothing about 1080p
Help?

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 08:08 AM

It looks like 1080p material is "ready for prime time" now.
Channel 1100 has updated the 1080p selections.
There are now 32 movies available in 1080p.
Each title has the 1080p icon listed beside it. :)
Here is how I found them.

Go to channel 1100.
Select High-Def.
Select 1080p.
The 32 titles will show up after selecting 1080p.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 08:20 AM

There's also a 1080p format filter on the online VOD listing.

33 1080p movies show up there.

All PPVs though.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 08:28 AM

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