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#1 OFFLINE   AVPhan

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 04:46 PM

I am still somewhat happy with D* but now with rumor of AT&T taking over.
I absolutely will not do business with them, would I be able to cancel my service without paying ETF ?
Just curious. if it comes down to that.

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#2 OFFLINE   Stuart Sweet

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 04:49 PM

I would not be concerned about AT&T buying DIRECTV at this point, even if it happens it would take years. However, as it would likely be a stock purchase you would have an early termination fee.
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#3 OFFLINE   BattleZone

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 05:18 PM

IMO, it is very, very unlikely that AT&T would buy DirecTV. Their use for DirecTV is limited to areas that Uverse isn't available, and they are working hard to reduce those areas. In 2-3 years, Uverse availability will be much larger, further reducing the need for DirecTV. It just doesn't make sense long-term.

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 05:18 PM

I keep seeing that rumor repeated here, but otherwise it isn't being chatted up much. I suppose it could happen but it would seem to make sense for AT&T to partner with DirecTV to enable them to have a national offering while they continue to deploy U-verse. In the meantime I would think they would be more intersted in fiber or copper....
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 08:27 PM

If AT*T does their HD like they do their DSL service...then it will not be anything much more than average at best. It's all OK...but nothing spectacular.
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 08:45 PM

I keep seeing that rumor repeated here, but otherwise it isn't being chatted up much. I suppose it could happen but it would seem to make sense for AT&T to partner with DirecTV to enable them to have a national offering while they continue to deploy U-verse. In the meantime I would think they would be more intersted in fiber or copper....


AT&T made the decision three years ago to go with an IP solution to provide television services. There are no plans to use Fiber such as Verizon's FIOS.

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 08:47 PM

If AT*T does their HD like they do their DSL service...then it will not be anything much more than average at best. It's all OK...but nothing spectacular.


What's wrong with their DSL service? Mine has been rock solid without a single outage in over three years. What else is it supposed to do?

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 08:49 PM

I am still somewhat happy with D* but now with rumor of AT&T taking over.
I absolutely will not do business with them, would I be able to cancel my service without paying ETF ?
Just curious. if it comes down to that.


Yes, your contract will still be in effect. I wouldn't worry about it. AT&T is on the brink of announcing a major downsizing of employees. I doubt there are any asset acquisitions on the near horizon. Even if it were to happen you can expect at least a year for it to be approved and actually happen.

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 10:02 PM

What's wrong with their DSL service? Mine has been rock solid without a single outage in over three years. What else is it supposed to do?


Speed is limited to 6 MBps and major cable companies are offering much higher speed. 6 MBps is OK for internet browsing but not enough for HD streaming, for example.

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 10:19 PM

Speed is limited to 6 MBps and major cable companies are offering much higher speed. 6 MBps is OK for internet browsing but not enough for HD streaming, for example.


They recently went in to my sisters neighborhood with a small fleet of trucks, worked for a week... when they left, they were delivering 12MBps throughout the subdivision... over copper.
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 10:30 PM

Speed is limited to 6 MBps and major cable companies are offering much higher speed. 6 MBps is OK for internet browsing but not enough for HD streaming, for example.


That's the specs of the product. Just because a duck is a poor bicycle that doesn't mean it is not a good duck. You can order DS-3. It's not cheap but it is screaming fast. :)

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 07:44 AM

What's wrong with their DSL service? Mine has been rock solid without a single outage in over three years. What else is it supposed to do?

Solid yes, special no.

If you want their "special" service, you pay through the nose for it.
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Posted 14 November 2008 - 09:22 AM

They recently went in to my sisters neighborhood with a small fleet of trucks, worked for a week... when they left, they were delivering 12MBps throughout the subdivision... over copper.



have had 16 from the cable provider for about the last 6 months. It also depends on how many bridgetaps, distance from CO and quality of the copper. In my neighborhood the best they can give is 768.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 09:29 AM

AT&T made the decision three years ago to go with an IP solution to provide television services. There are no plans to use Fiber such as Verizon's FIOS.


idiotic move. FIOS is excellent. I had a chance to see it when I was in the Northeast. I want that in the Midwest. Twisted pair really limits your bandwidth.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 11:45 AM

Speed is limited to 6 MBps and major cable companies are offering much higher speed. 6 MBps is OK for internet browsing but not enough for HD streaming, for example.

If you get the actual rated speeds, I agree that cable could be better. I had Time Warner cable ISP and it was rated as 7000/768, but at a peak time I only was getting 3052/476 and at an off peak time 4546/480. With AT&T DSL, my rated speed is 6000/768 and it tests around 4840/640 at all times. For a few days I had both DSL and TWC ISP and tested them with the same speed test at the same time. DSL was consistently faster and is not affected by the numbers of users, like cable is. In addition, my brother has TWC ISP in another state and his quoted speed is 10000/1000, but at peak times he was only getting 3500/320. So what your service is rated isn't as important as the actually speed you are getting.
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Posted 14 November 2008 - 01:08 PM

U-verse offers 10MBps thats as fast as cable around here. Internet is the best service u-verse has. There TV HD is not so hot and I have had problems with there VOIP.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 01:23 PM

there is a bigger chance of directv and dish merging than a att take over of diretv.
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Posted 14 November 2008 - 01:40 PM

idiotic move. FIOS is excellent. I had a chance to see it when I was in the Northeast. I want that in the Midwest. Twisted pair really limits your bandwidth.


I agree but they didn't want to commit the capital for a fiber video backbone. Uverse has alot of growing to do before it is ready for primetime. I live in AT&T territory so I plan on sticking with satellite until the offering is fully cooked. To be fair I know FIOS users who are not happy either. Verizon also has more work to do.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 01:46 PM

Speed is limited to 6 MBps and major cable companies are offering much higher speed. 6 MBps is OK for internet browsing but not enough for HD streaming, for example.


You should check out the facts first:

https://uversecentra...RAME&APPID=AMSS

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 06:11 PM

You should check out the facts first:

https://uversecentra...RAME&APPID=AMSS


No, you should. U-Verse DSL can only be installed if you also subscribe to their not so good video service. Obviously we were talking about ATT DSL service and the limit is 6 Mbps. If I could get more than 6Mbps I would already be subscribing to the faster service. U-Verse is bad technology, many restrictions like maximum of 2 HD programs streaming at the same time, 1 DVR per household, 4 programs can be recorded at the same time but they don't advertise that only one can be HD. If you are happy with SD programming and still watch TV the old fashion way, maybe ATT is for you. I watch 90% of my programs in HD.

ATT DSL service is called Fastaccess and as you can see is still limited to 6Mbps:

http://bellsouth.com...rvcs/index.html

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 08:35 PM

Well, Here's what I did. I ordered At&t u-verse tv, internet and phone to save money.:nono2:
In the end I really wasn't saving much at all, but I was probably saving $20 a month. There are a lot of limitations to IP TV and they're all bandwidth problems. The world is going HD and HD requires bandwidth. At&ts solution is to compress the crap out of it which degrades the picture significantly.

So against my better judgement I call directv to cancel .....but they gave me a great deal to stay. So I decide to stay with Dtv. But I really liked the u-verse internet and voip. So I call At&T to cancel the TV, there's a 30 day money back guarantee, but I wanted to keep the internet and Voip. They said no problem.

So now I have 10mbps internet, VOIP and Directv on 5 TVs with 2-HDdvrs, 1- sd-dvr, 1-hd STB and 1-sd STB, all for around $150/mnth. that's about $30 less than I was paying last month with much better services.

Oh yeah...Dtvs HD is far cleaner than AT&ts u-verse. I know because I had them both on side by side.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 07:43 AM

Well, first I don't think AT&T will be purchasing D*. But, even if they did -- I wouldn't be upset. Maybe I'm the odd one, but I've never had a problem with SBC, Bellsouth or Cingular (all of which now make up AT&T). Customer Service has always been good. Their websites work well, and any accidental billing problems have been corrected quickly and without hassle.

A secondary comment, DSL at 6MBP could be effectively quicker than a 10MBP cable connection for various reasons I will not get into here. But maximum bandwidth is only one portion of the equation. Others sharing the connection, latency etc. I'm not taking sides, just pointing out the "maximum download bandwidth" is only a tiny part of effective speeds browsing. We haven't touched server side limitations and tech that effect the speeds you could theoretically get :)

But, I'm happy with DTV. U-Verse is coming to our area soon and I will NOT be switching.
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 07:55 AM

Well, first I don't think AT&T will be purchasing D*. But, even if they did -- I wouldn't be upset. Maybe I'm the odd one, but I've never had a problem with SBC, Bellsouth or Cingular (all of which now make up AT&T). Customer Service has always been good. Their websites work well, and any accidental billing problems have been corrected quickly and without hassle.

A secondary comment, DSL at 6MBP could be effectively quicker than a 10MBP cable connection for various reasons I will not get into here. But maximum bandwidth is only one portion of the equation. Others sharing the connection, latency etc. I'm not taking sides, just pointing out the "maximum download bandwidth" is only a tiny part of effective speeds browsing. We haven't touched server side limitations and tech that effect the speeds you could theoretically get :)

But, I'm happy with DTV. U-Verse is coming to our area soon and I will NOT be switching.

After 9 years using AT&T DSL, phone service, and cellular...I agree with your entire set of observations.

U-Verse adds nothing for me, but takes things away. No brainer to stay put.
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 09:41 AM

ATT DSL service is called Fastaccess and as you can see is still limited to 6Mbps:

http://bellsouth.com...rvcs/index.html

Actullay, the name varies depending on what baby bell you were with. In Texas, which was formely SBC, the 6Mbps is called "Elite DSL".

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 12:25 PM

No, you should. U-Verse DSL can only be installed if you also subscribe to their not so good video service. Obviously we were talking about ATT DSL service and the limit is 6 Mbps. If I could get more than 6Mbps I would already be subscribing to the faster service. U-Verse is bad technology, many restrictions like maximum of 2 HD programs streaming at the same time, 1 DVR per household, 4 programs can be recorded at the same time but they don't advertise that only one can be HD. If you are happy with SD programming and still watch TV the old fashion way, maybe ATT is for you. I watch 90% of my programs in HD.

ATT DSL service is called Fastaccess and as you can see is still limited to 6Mbps:

http://bellsouth.com...rvcs/index.html


Just drop the TV after the 30 day free trial and they let you keep the internet and VOIP. Here you can get 10 Mbps for 55 dollars a month.

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