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#26 OFFLINE   kevinturcotte

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 05:43 PM

I second the Onkyo 606. I've got one of these and I'd say it's goy the same type of bang for the buck as the HL67A750 - also has 4 HDMI inputs.


Will this accept and pass the Hr2x's 1080p signal?

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:22 PM

All my hardware is kinda old: Sony STR-DE675 receiver, neither of which have HDMI.

Since I'm going to be buying so many new components I guess I might as well buy new speakers, too. I have a set of Polk Audio speakers that are decent, but I might as well upgrade everything to 7.1.

If it's in great shape, I wouldn't mind you giving me your Sony receiver. :grin:

But, why would you want to replace the speakers? Aren't Polk Audio excellent speakers? And, I don't believe speakers wear out.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:26 PM

Will this accept and pass the Hr2x's 1080p signal?


With the TV and receiver off. but the HR20 on i turned on the TV and had a message "check signal cable" so I'd say no, the receiver muyst be on.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:29 PM

But, why would you want to replace the speakers? Aren't Polk Audio excellent speakers? And, I don't believe speakers wear out.


Depends on the polk speakers. I wouldn't call THESE excellent. I wouldn't even call them decent.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:34 PM

i suggest the onkyo 606 or 706. here is the 706
http://www.jdoqocy.c...146500-10521304http://www.newegg.co...N82E16882120107


Or even the 806 if you want the largest number of HDMI inputs I've ever seen on an A/V unit!

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:51 PM

I've been very happy to date with my Denon 4306. However the web interface is a bit rudimentary and the documentation is horrendous.

The feature set is quite nice and has also improved with the more recent models. iPod control, internet radio, etc.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:34 PM

Some of these suggestions are ok, but I'd go with Onkyo as IMHO Sony recievers suck and are overpriced. In fact the newer version of my reciver the Onkyo TX-SR706 is on sale at Crutchfield.com or Newegg.com for around $599 or less and is THX certified. The SR606 is even cheaper and both have HDMI passthrough and upconversion on the 706 model.


Just checked newegg.com:

Onkyo TXS706B $549

Onkyo TXS806 $649 free ship on both

Seems like cheap prices on both. Does the 806 have enough additional features to justify the extra $100?

I have no objection to Onkyo, I've just kind of been a Sony fan for years, although I'm going Samsung for my new TV. I'm not wedded to any particular brand, but the reviews I've read of the new higher end Sony ES series receivers have been very, very glowing.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:38 PM

Look at the PS3 for Bluray... Upconverting with the PS3 is great for SD dvds.

Look at B&W speakers... Expensive, but beautiful sound.


I've been looking into the PS3 and even though I don't have much interest in game consoles, it's a helluva deal and the reviews of its Bluray performance are very good.

I've never heard of B&W speakers. B&O, yes, but not B&W.

BTW, why are you sorry you didn't buy a plasma?

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:42 PM

I don't disagree with that... My Onkyo runs hot too. But it hasn't been a big issue for me.


When you say hot, how hot do you mean? I have one of those typical open-backed cabinets with a glass door. I really wouldn't want to put it on top of the cabinet because I have the ViP 722 up there and that runs a little warm, too (although not nearly so warm as the HR20 I used to use).

If these Onkyos run too hot to put in any cabinet that's a definite non-starter for me.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:47 PM

I'll be surprised if you hear anything negative about the Onkyo receivers from anyone who's had them. I've used Sony and Onkyo receivers.

Well - I have an 875. The current 876 is almost identical.

It runs so hot that it will eventually go into shutdown if placed inside any kind of cabinet, even one with open sides. Same thing will happen if you have anything stacked on top of it. I had to place it out in the open, on top of the cabinet, to get enough cooling.

And I'm not the only one with this problem. Read the many threads on the issue.


Is there a fix for this? I have a typical open-backed cabinet with a glass door that I have all my components in except for the ViP722, which sits on top. I think I'd like to keep it there because it runs a little warm, although not nearly as warm as the HR20 I used to use (that actually ran HOT).

i'd hate to have to rule out Onkyo entirely because of this issue, but putting it on top of the cabinet is a non-starter for me.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:52 PM

Seems like cheap prices on both. Does the 806 have enough additional features to justify the extra $100?


That's up to you. the 806 has more power (130W compared to 100W), extra THX processing and certification, a detachable power cord and a couple of other things.

You can compare them directly at onkyousa.com

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

sony STR DA2400 ES not that expensive but does everything i need it to do plus a 5 year warranty

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

I'll be surprised if you hear anything negative about the Onkyo receivers from anyone who's had them. I've used Sony and Onkyo receivers.

Well - I have an 875. The current 876 is almost identical.

It runs so hot that it will eventually go into shutdown if placed inside any kind of cabinet, even one with open sides. Same thing will happen if you have anything stacked on top of it. I had to place it out in the open, on top of the cabinet, to get enough cooling.

And I'm not the only one with this problem. Read the many threads on the issue.

It does sound nice, I'll grant you that.

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CNet doesn't have any official reviews of the 806, but there's one user review that's a bit frightening:


"Good sound, lots of connectivity, but video problems."
by imperito on November 14, 2008

Pros: The sound is great, driving my Aperion speakers. The video conversion is convenient, I can put everything on HDMI. Configuration isn't too difficult, nice to see a menu on the TV.
Cons: When displaying 1080p video from my Xbox 360, I see blue dots on the screen during dark scenes, even with the HDMI mode set to "Through". I don't think it is doing real pass through of the video. Doesn't happen on a 720p signal.
Summary: I like the sound, and the connectivity. The video on 720p is fine.

But the problem with 1080p video is very distracting,the whole screen would sparkle with blue dots during fade to black transitions. I had to switch to using 720p.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

Is there a fix for this? I have a typical open-backed cabinet with a glass door that I have all my components in except for the ViP722, which sits on top. I think I'd like to keep it there because it runs a little warm, although not nearly as warm as the HR20 I used to use (that actually ran HOT).

i'd hate to have to rule out Onkyo entirely because of this issue, but putting it on top of the cabinet is a non-starter for me.


You could get a usb powered fan or a laptop cooling pad for it, if it's a concern.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:10 PM

Just checked newegg.com:

Onkyo TXS706B $549

Onkyo TXS806 $649 free ship on both

Seems like cheap prices on both. Does the 806 have enough additional features to justify the extra $100?

I have no objection to Onkyo, I've just kind of been a Sony fan for years, although I'm going Samsung for my new TV. I'm not wedded to any particular brand, but the reviews I've read of the new higher end Sony ES series receivers have been very, very glowing.


My old man got the 806 for $596 on Amazon (no tax, no shipping), so that NewEgg price above is a bit high.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:10 PM

Look at B&W speakers... Expensive, but beautiful sound.


What about the Bose Acoustimass® 16 Series II speakers? A bit pricey, but with speakers you pretty much get what you pay for, don't you?

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:15 PM

DO NO GET BOSE.

You get what you pay for with everything except Bose.

Are you familiar with Monster cables? The ones that cost $100 when you can get the same cable from monoprice for $5.

Bose is about the same. Their speakers aren't terrible, but they're way over priced. They rely strictly on marketing.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:16 PM

Is it even worth buying the two extra speakers to get to 7.1 instead of 5.1? How many soundtracks take advantage of the two extra channels?

I'd hate to have a 7.1 capable receiver and not take advantage of it if it makes a difference in the sound, but maybe it's not worth the expense and trouble.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:18 PM

DO NO GET BOSE.

You get what you pay for with everything except Bose.

Are you familiar with Monster cables? The ones that cost $100 when you can get the same cable from monoprice for $5.

Bose is about the same. Their speakers aren't terrible, but they're way over priced. They rely strictly on marketing.


OK, forget Bose. How about the Mirage Nanosat® 5.1 Home Theater Speaker System?

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:24 PM

You can get almost as good a spatial effect going 6.1 as you would with 7.1 sound The rear center channel works quite well for me. I have a 7.1 receiver, but my house was prewired for 6.1, so I went with that. very nice.
I agree with spartanstew regarding Bose. For the price you pay for Bose speakers, you can go to an audio specialty dealer and get Paradigms, which are very good, indeed (I did a lot of comparisons before settling on the Paradigms I bought. B&W, Cerwin Vega and the better Klipsch and Pioneer spearers are also quite nice.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:28 PM

I use the Mirage nanostats in one room and they are actually pretty darn good for a low profile speaker and their cost. I only used 4 and replaced the 5th with a robust center channel and that worked well. They do not compete with higher end, bigger range speakers but do a really great job for their size. Very wife friendly given the low impact on decor.
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 09:10 PM

I very recently looked into this, to replace a Denon 4802.
I spent a couple weeks doing extensive research via internet.
My location makes it difficult to audition things directly, so I don't even try.
I'm not trying to convince anybody to favor any brand or model, am only reporting my own thoughts and decisions.
  • I became convinced that Onkyo has perhaps the best current profile of price, features, and quality.
  • I narrowed the choices down to the current generation (model numbers ending on 6) vs. the previous generation (ending in 5).
  • By nature, I am sorta OCD and a borderline-cheapskate. So, I try to get the most for the least.
    • The advantage of the 5's is that you can get factory-approved refurbs for cheap.
    • The advantage of the 6's is the improved version of Audyssey auto-EQ.
    • I am generally not a fan of DSP. However, while some people have trouble setting it up properly, I am satisfied that Audyssey magic is a good thing. (Audyssey is available on various brands.)
    • While both the new and previous versions of Audyssey are useful, the current one is better in that it works at various volume levels, not just reference volume.
    • So, for me, the hard part was choosing between a cheaper '5 with the previous Audyssey vs. a more expensive '6 with the newer Audyssey.
  • Due to both (a) the level of amp-goodness, and (B) the details of the Audyssey features, I decided that I wanted one of the 800-series.
    If I had wimpier speakers, I would have grabbed a SR706 ($480 from Vann's).
  • I narrowed the choices down to refurb-SR805, refurb-SR875, or new-SR876.
    • These have the same amp. (I rejected the SR806 because Onkyo downgraded the amp/power-supply from the 805.)
    • I could get a refurb 805 at accessories4less. By going through live.com cashback and then to ebay, when the dust settled it would be $484.38 delivered.
    • I could get a refurb 875 as above for a total of $676.67 delivered.
    • I could get a new 876 at J&R. By going thru live.com cashback and then to J&R, I could get it for $836.07 delivered.
  • The 805 and 875 are basically the same except for better video processing in the 875.
  • The 875 and 876 are basically the same except for the newer Audyssey in the 876, plus more HDMI's.
  • Since I feed 1080i signals to the TV, while I do want the HDMI switching, I don't need the video processing.
    This narrowed it down to between the 805 and 876.
  • If I wanted the better Audyssey, I'd be paying for the better video processing in the 876 that I don't need.
    If I was up for living with the previous Audyssey, I'd get the 805.
After due agony, I opted for the 876.
So, I ended up paying:
  • $351 more to get a new 876 (rather than a refurb 805) with the up-to-date Audyssey plus good video processing I don't need.
  • $159 more to get a new 876 rather than a refurb 875, both of which have video processing I don't need.
Ouch.
I rationalize it by telling myself that I got a great price on the 876, and that it's both cheaper and better than the old Denon was.
It's not here yet.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 11:22 PM

Wow. I'm rather impressed by your analysis.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 11 December 2008 - 11:49 PM

Wow. I'm rather impressed by your analysis.

OCD + internet access to lots of info ;-)

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 11:50 PM

Obviously.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.





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