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#1 OFFLINE   Chris Freeland

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 03:14 PM

I am surprised that this has not bean discussed on this site, it has bean on satelliteguys.com since Fridays dealer talk recap was posted.

At 100 going up $2 to $34.99 and name changed to Classic Bronze 100.
At 100 Plus up $2 to $39.99 and will become Classic Bronze 100 Plus.
At 200 goes up $3 to $47.99 and will become Classic Silver 200.
AT 250 goes up $3 to $57.99 and will become Classic Gold 250.
AEP goes up $3 to $97.99 and will become Classic AEP.
Locals will remain a $5 add on.
Each corresponding Turbo HD add on will remain $10.
Dish Latino Bonus pack add on still $13.99.

Dish Latino goes up $2 without locals goes down $3 with locals, name changed to Dish Latino Classico. All other Dish Latino packs without locals will go up $3 and with locals down $2, it appears locals will be No Charge on all Mexico and Latino packs. No change on new Dish Mexico package or either American or Latino Welcome packs or Dish Family.
HBO and Playboy up $1 to $15.99, all other premium movie channels no price change.

Here is where the rate increases get expensive, the Turbo HD standalone packs:
Turbo HD Bronze goes up $5 to $29.99.
Turbo HD Silver goes up $7 to $39.99.
Turbo HD Gold goes up $10 to $49.99.
Turbo HD Platinum remains a $10 add on.
Dish DVR Advantage packs:
DDA 100 up $5 to $44.99.
DDA 200 up $8 to $57.99.
DDA 250 up $8 to $67.99.
DDA TurboHD Bronze up $5 to $39.99.
DDA Turbo HD Silver up $10 to $49.99.
DDA Turbo HD Gold up $10 to $59.99.
Dish Latino Plus DVR Up $2 to $39.99.
Dish Latino Dos DVR and Dish LatinoMax HD no change.
The extra receiver and DVR service fee are now combined into a single $10 for additional SD DVR receivers and $12 on extra HD DVR receivers for DDA packs only. DDA Premium add ons are now the same as the non DDA packs: 2= $22 now, 3=$31 now, all others are the same.

I am not surprised by the yearly increase, but I am shocked at the amounts of some of those increases, especially during a recession.

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#2 OFFLINE   Calvin Carrigan

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 03:17 PM

If you own your reciever do you still pay additional reciever fees?

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 03:23 PM

If you own your reciever do you still pay additional reciever fees?


Yes, just as you always have.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 03:27 PM

If you own your reciever do you still pay additional reciever fees?

Yes.

Owned receivers are billed as an additional receiver fee of $5 for SD or $7 for HD.
Leased receivers are billed the same amount as a "lease fee" with no outlet fee.

I don't see the increases as too bad ... last year we had $2/$3 increases for all the AT packages. The DishDVR Advantage packages were price guaranteed for the past two years so what appears to be big jumps is really a two year increase catching up with what normal customers are paying. I expect that they will once again be price guaranteed (through 2011).

The big hit is on the TurboHD packages ... DISH probably should have just introduced the packages at the new prices instead of doing an increase. They could have done an "introductory offer" through February at a reduced price but a jump a few months after introduction does look bad.

But for most customers we're talking a $3 increase. Even AEP customer (with or without HD) are only going to see a $3 increase.
BTW: HBO and Playboy last increased in 2006 ... the other three premiums last increased in 2007 and are staying the same.


BTW: I have the increases in chart form available here -
http://jameslong.name/feb2009.html

My only other complaint about the price increase is why DISH always seems to go first! DirecTV and cable companies will have their increases. DISH just seems to take an extra hit by announcing theirs early.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 03:30 PM

The increases are steep but, if I remember correctly the DDA packs were locked in last year so these steep increases really cover 2 years. Looks like I get $8 dollars for the AT 250 and $1 for HBO but, I was given $10 off a month for a year last August so, I am pretty much square until then.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 03:52 PM

Maybe the new FCC commissioner will finally mandate a la carte and the rest of us can stop subsidizing ESPN viewers.

#7 OFFLINE   Chris Freeland

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 04:22 PM

Yes.


BTW: I have the increases in chart form available here -
http://jameslong.name/feb2009.html



Thanks for the great chart James. :)

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 04:32 PM

Am I looking at this right?

DVR Advantage 200 = 57.99

200 package 47.99 + 5.99 DVR Fee =53.98

Whats the Advantage now? Wayne

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 05:03 PM

Am I looking at this right?

DVR Advantage 200 = 57.99

200 package 47.99 + 5.99 DVR Fee =53.98

Whats the Advantage now? Wayne

DishDVR Advantage is the base package PLUS locals PLUS one DVR fee ...
$47.99 + $5.00 + $5.98 = $58.97 ... the package saves you $0.98

When introduced in 2007 the package also saved people $0.98 - but there is a price guarantee in place so in 2008 when non Advantage customers saw an increase DishDVR advantage customers had a $3.98 or $5.98 discount. I expect we'll see another price guarantee starting in February ... but even without it, you're saving nearly a dollar.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 05:05 PM

wow; this makes my reason for choosing dish over directv pointless. my package will now be $60/mo, (double!!!) exactly what i was avoiding with directv, and they've even got more channels. i wonder what, if any, rate changes directv will have.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 05:16 PM

wow; this makes my reason for choosing dish over directv pointless. my package will now be $60/mo, (double!!!) exactly what i was avoiding with directv, and they've even got more channels. i wonder what, if any, rate changes directv will have.

Last year DirecTV raised their base rates $3-$5 ... I don't see why it would not go up again.

Doubling to $60? There are no $30 increases in play here. Are you increasing your subscription level or misreading the increases?

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 05:22 PM

Also heard that your first dual-tuner receiver no longer has to be hooked up to phone/broadband to avoid the $5 fee.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 05:30 PM

Also the "no HD" fee is dropping from $7 to $5.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 06:25 PM

What about us with HD Absolute ?

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 06:26 PM

wow; this makes my reason for choosing dish over directv pointless. my package will now be $60/mo, (double!!!) exactly what i was avoiding with directv, and they've even got more channels. i wonder what, if any, rate changes directv will have.


D* raises prices in March. They have not announced how much their increases will be this year yet but, they did say in their investors conference call that will be an increase even though they have lowered their retrans cost over the past year. There is a very long and interesting thread about it over at the D* part of this forum.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 06:28 PM

What about us with HD Absolute ?


They said nothing about ya'll in the retailer chat. The general though is that the price will stay the same for it but, no new channels will be added to that package from here on out.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 07:30 PM

This is what i have
Dec 08 - Jan 07 DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98! 49.99
dishHD with 3 Premium Package 50.00 ( 250/Starz/Showtime)
DHA Leased Receiver 7.00 (vip 211)

So is my bill going up
"DDA 250 up $8"
PLUS Another $10.00 for my gold/platnum Hd?
If so that is a $18.00 per month increase!:mad:
I hope i am reading that wrong. If it does go up that much, my 2 movie channels will have to go,:( and i guess i will save 2.00 per month.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 07:35 PM

This is what i have
Dec 08 - Jan 07 DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98! 49.99
dishHD with 3 Premium Package 50.00 ( 250/Starz/Showtime)
DHA Leased Receiver 7.00 (vip 211)

So is my bill going up
"DDA 250 up $8"
PLUS Another $10.00 for my gold/platnum Hd?
If so that is a $18.00 per month increase!:mad:
I hope i am reading that wrong. If it does go up that much, my 2 movie channels will have to go,:( and i guess i will save 2.00 per month.


I will keep HBO new season of Big Love.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 07:44 PM

The "standard" increase is the standard one we've come to expect.

The biggest hit is on the TurboHD HD-only packages. That's a 6/half-dozen scenario, since a $10 increase is a big one there... but also still $15+ cheaper than the corresponding SD+TurboHD add-on would cost, and since Dish is the only company offering these "HD-only" packages, they are still much cheaper than the competition.

Sucks... but would suck worse if you switched to a different company, so I'm guessing they are banking on that.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 08:21 PM

Last year DirecTV raised their base rates $3-$5 ... I don't see why it would not go up again.

Doubling to $60? There are no $30 increases in play here. Are you increasing your subscription level or misreading the increases?



i have absolute.

at the new rates, that package will be $60/mo vs. my current $30. the only channel gained would be RSN.

i understand i am grandfathered for now, but it has been said we won't receive new channels and to get the comparable package we'll have to go gold+platinum @ $60/mo.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 08:28 PM

i have absolute.

at the new rates, that package will be $60/mo vs. my current $30. the only channel gained would be RSN.

i understand i am grandfathered for now, but it has been said we won't receive new channels and to get the comparable package we'll have to go gold+platinum @ $60/mo.


This true but, if it were me I would wait until they actually add some channels before I pulled the trigger on upgrading to that package. Also, with the metal packages you won't get any mpeg 2 counterparts so any non VIP receivers you might have will either need to be upgraded or shut off.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 09:58 PM

I see no new HD channels in the next two years that would be important enough for me to give up my HD Absolute for a package that costs $30 more.

I'll cling to HD Absolute until they pry my fingers off of it one digit at a time, hell, I may stick with it for 10 years.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 10:00 PM

This is what i have
Dec 08 - Jan 07 DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98! 49.99
dishHD with 3 Premium Package 50.00 ( 250/Starz/Showtime)
DHA Leased Receiver 7.00 (vip 211)

So is my bill going up
"DDA 250 up $8"
PLUS Another $10.00 for my gold/platnum Hd?
If so that is a $18.00 per month increase!:mad:
I hope i am reading that wrong. If it does go up that much, my 2 movie channels will have to go,:( and i guess i will save 2.00 per month.


If I read it right the DVR Advantage package for DVR250 is listed separately from the DVR200...... In other words the extra $10 (premium for 250) is included in the listing and not a separate premium charge. I think your bill will go up $8......
Remember I said think........ :-)

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 11:30 PM

Glad to see Welcome Pack is still being listed (I assume it'll be discontinued at some point after 2/17/2009 because it seems too good to last forever, and they don't list it on their website). I'm getting most of my favorite channels without having to subsidize ESPN, FOX News, Disney, Lifetime, and the other pricy stuff!

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 11:48 PM

If I read it right the DVR Advantage package for DVR250 is listed separately from the DVR200...... In other words the extra $10 (premium for 250) is included in the listing and not a separate premium charge. I think your bill will go up $8......
Remember I said think........ :-)

You think correctly.

People with SD packages are seeing the lowest increases ... $2/$3 for those who don't have DDA (and have already been paying the 2008 rate increase) and $5/$8 for those with DDA (currently paying Feb 2007 rates).

There are NO CHANGES in the cost of HD as an add on to the AT soon to be "Classic" packages.

TurboHD ... that is another issue. The packages reflect a $15 or $18 savings over buying "Classic" packages and adding HD ... a nice savings for those who don't want the SD only channels. Less than the $18 to $25 savings TurboHD provides today but as more channels become HD there will be more channels actually IN the TurboHD packages.

HD Absolute is grandfathered. There are probably a few subs out there still on the DishHD $9.99 package ... getting seven channels for $9.99 instead of upgrading to a $10.00 Bronze/Silver/Gold HD package. When they do upgrade they will lose HDNet Movies (or pay $10 more to keep it). It was probably a mistake for DISH to offer Absolute at such a low price or to add ANY channels to it ... but perhaps you can consider it your "introductory offer" ... you have saved half off of the price of "TurboHD Gold w/Platinum HD".




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