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#26 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 11:50 PM

Glad to see Welcome Pack is still being listed (I assume it'll be discontinued at some point after 2/17/2009 because it seems too good to last forever, and they don't list it on their website). I'm getting most of my favorite channels without having to subsidize ESPN, FOX News, Disney, Lifetime, and the other pricy stuff!

I really wish DISH would acknowledge both "Welcome" packages on their website but you have to go into press releases to find any mention of them. I suppose they really don't want to sell them, but a $9.99/$14.99 "lifeline" satellite service would be a good offering in these tough times.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:00 AM

You think correctly.

There are probably a few subs out there still on the DishHD $9.99 package ... getting seven channels for $9.99 instead of upgrading to a $10.00 Bronze/Silver/Gold HD package.


The Legacy HD package got dropped for all customer's recently (within the last couple weeks, I can remember specifically.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:11 AM

The Legacy HD package got dropped for all customer's recently (within the last couple weeks, I can remember specifically.

I know the last MPEG2 channels were snuffed out, but I didn't realize that the last subscribers were knocked off of the package. There was a brief time that one could get a 411 (ViP-211) and subscribe to HDPack for $9.99 (Nov or Dec 2006 through Jan 31, 2007). It is also possible that subscribers upgraded MPEG2 HD equipment to MPEG4 without changing packages.

I had a friend I was using as a "test" for this. He has a ViP-211 and still subscribed to the $9.99 HDPack. He finally caved in a couple of months ago and paid the penny more for a modern HD pack. He was not asked or forced by DISH to make that change. He was VERY happy from Feb 2007 through Feb 2008 to not have to pay for Voom. The few HDPack channels were enough for him ...

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:28 AM

I can only understand it broken down like my current bill (before taxes):

.......................................................2008.......2009

DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98!....49.99.......57.99
DISH Network DVR Service Fee................5.98.........5.98
Leased Receiver Fee..............................7.00.........7.00
dishHD with 3 Premium Package..............50.00.......51.00

Totals..............................................112.97....121.97

That equals an 8% increase. I kind of expected this.

Buried in that $50 is three premiums and the two HD fees. Probably will dump PlatinumHD and Starz saving $19.

But as I understand it, if I dropped to DVR Advantage TurboHD Silver, I'd pay $49.99 instead of $57.99. So I'd save only $8.00 and lose all the channels still not HD? I'll probably keep them.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:45 AM

$5 voom pak was dropped from my account when it went mpeg4 even though I had an mpeg4 box.

Now that the Bronze package is $30, the same price as HD Absolute I would not be surprised to find the extra channels in Absolute missing from our subscriptions next February.

When the Turbo packages were introduced the talk was HD Absolute customers would only be grandfathered until 2/1/09, the same date existing customers are eligible to change to TurboHD.

I know the last MPEG2 channels were snuffed out, but I didn't realize that the last subscribers were knocked off of the package. There was a brief time that one could get a 411 (ViP-211) and subscribe to HDPack for $9.99 (Nov or Dec 2006 through Jan 31, 2007). It is also possible that subscribers upgraded MPEG2 HD equipment to MPEG4 without changing packages.

I had a friend I was using as a "test" for this. He has a ViP-211 and still subscribed to the $9.99 HDPack. He finally caved in a couple of months ago and paid the penny more for a modern HD pack. He was not asked or forced by DISH to make that change. He was VERY happy from Feb 2007 through Feb 2008 to not have to pay for Voom. The few HDPack channels were enough for him ...


He should have been charged the $7 HD enable fee nullifying the savings

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:50 AM

I can only understand it broken down like my current bill (before taxes):

.......................................................2008.......2009

DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98!....49.99.......57.99
DISH Network DVR Service Fee................5.98.........5.98
Leased Receiver Fee..............................7.00.........7.00
dishHD with 3 Premium Package..............50.00.......51.00

Totals..............................................112.97....121.97

That equals an 8% increase. I kind of expected this.

Buried in that $50 is three premiums and the two HD fees. Probably will dump PlatinumHD and Starz saving $19.

But as I understand it, if I dropped to DVR Advantage TurboHD Silver, I'd pay $49.99 instead of $57.99. So I'd save only $8.00 and lose all the channels still not HD? I'll probably keep them.


Actually a new part of DDA is your second HD DVR will only cost you $12 ... so you're saving 98c there (the dollar you are losing on the third premium).

You're giving too many options not to math them out to discover the answer -
Today as outlined: $112.97

February 2009:
1) No package changes - $120.99; $8.02 price increase

2) Drop Platinum & Starz saving $19 - $101.99; pay $10.98 less than today

3) Drop SD for DDA TurboHD Silver and keep Platinum & Starz -
DDA Turbo HD Silver ($49.99) + 3 premiums ($31) + Platinum ($10) + 2nd DVR ($12) = $102.99
Save $18 on February's bill by dropping SD (1 vs 3) or $9.98 less than today

If the SDs not in HD are not worth $18 it is a decent way to save money.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:00 AM

He should have been charged the $7 HD enable fee nullifying the savings

Why? The $9.99 HDPack was a valid HD package when he got his receiver.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 08:36 AM

As an existing customer are the HD only packages available?
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 09:43 AM

The new package and reciever names make my brain hurt.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 09:56 AM

As an existing customer are the HD only packages available?
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 11:23 AM

Looks a good time to pay for my DVR Advantage for the annual rate...
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:03 PM

So if I read this correctly there is a whopping .98 discount for DVR Advantage? What is the point. This is nothing more then nickels and dimes. Really, I mean common. Not even a $1. That's like pricing something at $1.99 rather than $2. They want you to think you are getting something of value, but you are not.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:38 PM

I really wish DISH would acknowledge both "Welcome" packages on their website but you have to go into press releases to find any mention of them. I suppose they really don't want to sell them, but a $9.99/$14.99 "lifeline" satellite service would be a good offering in these tough times.


I think the main reason that the don't talk much about them is because you have to either own your equipment or be out of contract to be eligible for them.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:56 PM

So if I read this correctly there is a whopping .98 discount for DVR Advantage? What is the point. This is nothing more then nickels and dimes. Really, I mean common. Not even a $1. That's like pricing something at $1.99 rather than $2. They want you to think you are getting something of value, but you are not.

Charlie Ergen. Stop being Grinch...why not just get rid of DVR Advantage?


Why are you complaining about a way to save money? even if its not much? really? people will complain about anything.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:11 PM

So if I read this correctly there is a whopping .98 discount for DVR Advantage? What is the point.

Charlie Ergen. Stop being Grinch...why not just get rid of DVR Advantage?

For the first year (Feb 2007-Feb 2008) DVR Advantage was also a 98¢ discount. Then the normal Feb 2008 price increases came and DVR Advantage didn't change (it was price guaranteed). For the past year it has saved people $3.98 to $5.98.

Perhaps 98¢ per DVR isn't a savings now but it will be if they price guarantee again.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:14 PM

I think the main reason that the don't talk much about them is because you have to either own your equipment or be out of contract to be eligible for them.

The DISH NOW! non-contract prepaid card accounts have similar rules and it is promoted on the website.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:17 PM

Also the "no HD" fee is dropping from $7 to $5.


hmm... as I was on the eve of adding HD silver, thinking it would be $10 per month vice $7. But this drop is certain?

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:26 PM

hmm... as I was on the eve of adding HD silver, thinking it would be $10 per month vice $7. But this drop is certain?

Yes.

If one does not subscribe to a HD package there is a $7 fee ... in February that fee will be $5. I suppose that makes the jump between $5 for nothing (except OTA) to $10 for 25+ channels more of a consideration. More people would want to save $5 than save $3.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:26 PM

Yes.

Owned receivers are billed as an additional receiver fee of $5 for SD or $7 for HD.
Leased receivers are billed the same amount as a "lease fee" with no outlet fee.

I don't see the increases as too bad ... last year we had $2/$3 increases for all the AT packages. The DishDVR Advantage packages were price guaranteed for the past two years so what appears to be big jumps is really a two year increase catching up with what normal customers are paying. I expect that they will once again be price guaranteed (through 2011).

The big hit is on the TurboHD packages ... DISH probably should have just introduced the packages at the new prices instead of doing an increase. They could have done an "introductory offer" through February at a reduced price but a jump a few months after introduction does look bad.

But for most customers we're talking a $3 increase. Even AEP customer (with or without HD) are only going to see a $3 increase.
BTW: HBO and Playboy last increased in 2006 ... the other three premiums last increased in 2007 and are staying the same.


BTW: I have the increases in chart form available here -
http://jameslong.name/feb2009.html

My only other complaint about the price increase is why DISH always seems to go first! DirecTV and cable companies will have their increases. DISH just seems to take an extra hit by announcing theirs early.


That's not too bad. Actually I expected to see slightly higher prices with the recssion.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:11 PM

No new HD channels
Higher prices
D* will have lower prices for Spanish packs now
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:18 PM

DishDVR Advantage is the base package PLUS locals PLUS one DVR fee ...
$47.99 + $5.00 + $5.98 = $58.97 ... the package saves you $0.98

When introduced in 2007 the package also saved people $0.98 - but there is a price guarantee in place so in 2008 when non Advantage customers saw an increase DishDVR advantage customers had a $3.98 or $5.98 discount. I expect we'll see another price guarantee starting in February ... but even without it, you're saving nearly a dollar.


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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:55 PM

Looks loke there DVR box fees are getting to be almost as high as some of the cable DVR box fees.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 03:00 PM

Looks loke there DVR box fees are getting to be almost as high as some of the cable DVR box fees.

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There is no increase ... in fact, what has been announced is a discount for DVRAdvantage customers (98¢ less than today's cost for a 2nd DVR).

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 03:10 PM

If the SDs not in HD are not worth $18 it is a decent way to save money.

Thanks for running through my situation.

If I could save $1 by eliminating access to the "Win $1 Zillion by finding a potential spouse who will lose weight turning him/herself into the next great runway model while dealing with 18 kids and singing and dancing" type shows, I would.

But because I'm a nut for scripted TV, I don't want to get along without FX, AMC and BBCA. I'm looking forward to this Spring's "Breaking Bad" and next Fall's "Mad Men" or the miniseries "The Prisoner" on AMC; January's return of "Damages" or the whenever-but-soon return of "Rescue Me" on FX; and BBCA's "Torchwood", "Primeval" and any new drama or comedy programming.

As broadcast networks like NBC cut down hours of scripted programming, one has to take when one can get from wherever, even if its only in SD.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 03:13 PM

What is a real big problem for me would to be paying for a service I don't receive. $ 7 not to get HD on a HD box? This almost seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen. These kind of Lease fees and pay for a box you do not own is what got DirectV into a lawsuit.




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