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#21 OFFLINE   jclewter79

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 08:28 PM

i have absolute.

at the new rates, that package will be $60/mo vs. my current $30. the only channel gained would be RSN.

i understand i am grandfathered for now, but it has been said we won't receive new channels and to get the comparable package we'll have to go gold+platinum @ $60/mo.


This true but, if it were me I would wait until they actually add some channels before I pulled the trigger on upgrading to that package. Also, with the metal packages you won't get any mpeg 2 counterparts so any non VIP receivers you might have will either need to be upgraded or shut off.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 09:58 PM

I see no new HD channels in the next two years that would be important enough for me to give up my HD Absolute for a package that costs $30 more.

I'll cling to HD Absolute until they pry my fingers off of it one digit at a time, hell, I may stick with it for 10 years.
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 10:00 PM

This is what i have
Dec 08 - Jan 07 DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98! 49.99
dishHD with 3 Premium Package 50.00 ( 250/Starz/Showtime)
DHA Leased Receiver 7.00 (vip 211)

So is my bill going up
"DDA 250 up $8"
PLUS Another $10.00 for my gold/platnum Hd?
If so that is a $18.00 per month increase!:mad:
I hope i am reading that wrong. If it does go up that much, my 2 movie channels will have to go,:( and i guess i will save 2.00 per month.


If I read it right the DVR Advantage package for DVR250 is listed separately from the DVR200...... In other words the extra $10 (premium for 250) is included in the listing and not a separate premium charge. I think your bill will go up $8......
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Posted 21 December 2008 - 11:30 PM

Glad to see Welcome Pack is still being listed (I assume it'll be discontinued at some point after 2/17/2009 because it seems too good to last forever, and they don't list it on their website). I'm getting most of my favorite channels without having to subsidize ESPN, FOX News, Disney, Lifetime, and the other pricy stuff!

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 11:48 PM

If I read it right the DVR Advantage package for DVR250 is listed separately from the DVR200...... In other words the extra $10 (premium for 250) is included in the listing and not a separate premium charge. I think your bill will go up $8......
Remember I said think........ :-)

You think correctly.

People with SD packages are seeing the lowest increases ... $2/$3 for those who don't have DDA (and have already been paying the 2008 rate increase) and $5/$8 for those with DDA (currently paying Feb 2007 rates).

There are NO CHANGES in the cost of HD as an add on to the AT soon to be "Classic" packages.

TurboHD ... that is another issue. The packages reflect a $15 or $18 savings over buying "Classic" packages and adding HD ... a nice savings for those who don't want the SD only channels. Less than the $18 to $25 savings TurboHD provides today but as more channels become HD there will be more channels actually IN the TurboHD packages.

HD Absolute is grandfathered. There are probably a few subs out there still on the DishHD $9.99 package ... getting seven channels for $9.99 instead of upgrading to a $10.00 Bronze/Silver/Gold HD package. When they do upgrade they will lose HDNet Movies (or pay $10 more to keep it). It was probably a mistake for DISH to offer Absolute at such a low price or to add ANY channels to it ... but perhaps you can consider it your "introductory offer" ... you have saved half off of the price of "TurboHD Gold w/Platinum HD".

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 11:50 PM

Glad to see Welcome Pack is still being listed (I assume it'll be discontinued at some point after 2/17/2009 because it seems too good to last forever, and they don't list it on their website). I'm getting most of my favorite channels without having to subsidize ESPN, FOX News, Disney, Lifetime, and the other pricy stuff!

I really wish DISH would acknowledge both "Welcome" packages on their website but you have to go into press releases to find any mention of them. I suppose they really don't want to sell them, but a $9.99/$14.99 "lifeline" satellite service would be a good offering in these tough times.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:00 AM

You think correctly.

There are probably a few subs out there still on the DishHD $9.99 package ... getting seven channels for $9.99 instead of upgrading to a $10.00 Bronze/Silver/Gold HD package.


The Legacy HD package got dropped for all customer's recently (within the last couple weeks, I can remember specifically.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:11 AM

The Legacy HD package got dropped for all customer's recently (within the last couple weeks, I can remember specifically.

I know the last MPEG2 channels were snuffed out, but I didn't realize that the last subscribers were knocked off of the package. There was a brief time that one could get a 411 (ViP-211) and subscribe to HDPack for $9.99 (Nov or Dec 2006 through Jan 31, 2007). It is also possible that subscribers upgraded MPEG2 HD equipment to MPEG4 without changing packages.

I had a friend I was using as a "test" for this. He has a ViP-211 and still subscribed to the $9.99 HDPack. He finally caved in a couple of months ago and paid the penny more for a modern HD pack. He was not asked or forced by DISH to make that change. He was VERY happy from Feb 2007 through Feb 2008 to not have to pay for Voom. The few HDPack channels were enough for him ...

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:28 AM

I can only understand it broken down like my current bill (before taxes):

.......................................................2008.......2009

DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98!....49.99.......57.99
DISH Network DVR Service Fee................5.98.........5.98
Leased Receiver Fee..............................7.00.........7.00
dishHD with 3 Premium Package..............50.00.......51.00

Totals..............................................112.97....121.97

That equals an 8% increase. I kind of expected this.

Buried in that $50 is three premiums and the two HD fees. Probably will dump PlatinumHD and Starz saving $19.

But as I understand it, if I dropped to DVR Advantage TurboHD Silver, I'd pay $49.99 instead of $57.99. So I'd save only $8.00 and lose all the channels still not HD? I'll probably keep them.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:45 AM

$5 voom pak was dropped from my account when it went mpeg4 even though I had an mpeg4 box.

Now that the Bronze package is $30, the same price as HD Absolute I would not be surprised to find the extra channels in Absolute missing from our subscriptions next February.

When the Turbo packages were introduced the talk was HD Absolute customers would only be grandfathered until 2/1/09, the same date existing customers are eligible to change to TurboHD.

I know the last MPEG2 channels were snuffed out, but I didn't realize that the last subscribers were knocked off of the package. There was a brief time that one could get a 411 (ViP-211) and subscribe to HDPack for $9.99 (Nov or Dec 2006 through Jan 31, 2007). It is also possible that subscribers upgraded MPEG2 HD equipment to MPEG4 without changing packages.

I had a friend I was using as a "test" for this. He has a ViP-211 and still subscribed to the $9.99 HDPack. He finally caved in a couple of months ago and paid the penny more for a modern HD pack. He was not asked or forced by DISH to make that change. He was VERY happy from Feb 2007 through Feb 2008 to not have to pay for Voom. The few HDPack channels were enough for him ...


He should have been charged the $7 HD enable fee nullifying the savings

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:50 AM

I can only understand it broken down like my current bill (before taxes):

.......................................................2008.......2009

DishDVR Advantage, You Saved $5.98!....49.99.......57.99
DISH Network DVR Service Fee................5.98.........5.98
Leased Receiver Fee..............................7.00.........7.00
dishHD with 3 Premium Package..............50.00.......51.00

Totals..............................................112.97....121.97

That equals an 8% increase. I kind of expected this.

Buried in that $50 is three premiums and the two HD fees. Probably will dump PlatinumHD and Starz saving $19.

But as I understand it, if I dropped to DVR Advantage TurboHD Silver, I'd pay $49.99 instead of $57.99. So I'd save only $8.00 and lose all the channels still not HD? I'll probably keep them.


Actually a new part of DDA is your second HD DVR will only cost you $12 ... so you're saving 98c there (the dollar you are losing on the third premium).

You're giving too many options not to math them out to discover the answer -
Today as outlined: $112.97

February 2009:
1) No package changes - $120.99; $8.02 price increase

2) Drop Platinum & Starz saving $19 - $101.99; pay $10.98 less than today

3) Drop SD for DDA TurboHD Silver and keep Platinum & Starz -
DDA Turbo HD Silver ($49.99) + 3 premiums ($31) + Platinum ($10) + 2nd DVR ($12) = $102.99
Save $18 on February's bill by dropping SD (1 vs 3) or $9.98 less than today

If the SDs not in HD are not worth $18 it is a decent way to save money.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 02:00 AM

He should have been charged the $7 HD enable fee nullifying the savings

Why? The $9.99 HDPack was a valid HD package when he got his receiver.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 08:36 AM

As an existing customer are the HD only packages available?
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 09:43 AM

The new package and reciever names make my brain hurt.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 09:56 AM

As an existing customer are the HD only packages available?
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 11:23 AM

Looks a good time to pay for my DVR Advantage for the annual rate...
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:03 PM

So if I read this correctly there is a whopping .98 discount for DVR Advantage? What is the point. This is nothing more then nickels and dimes. Really, I mean common. Not even a $1. That's like pricing something at $1.99 rather than $2. They want you to think you are getting something of value, but you are not.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:38 PM

I really wish DISH would acknowledge both "Welcome" packages on their website but you have to go into press releases to find any mention of them. I suppose they really don't want to sell them, but a $9.99/$14.99 "lifeline" satellite service would be a good offering in these tough times.


I think the main reason that the don't talk much about them is because you have to either own your equipment or be out of contract to be eligible for them.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 12:56 PM

So if I read this correctly there is a whopping .98 discount for DVR Advantage? What is the point. This is nothing more then nickels and dimes. Really, I mean common. Not even a $1. That's like pricing something at $1.99 rather than $2. They want you to think you are getting something of value, but you are not.

Charlie Ergen. Stop being Grinch...why not just get rid of DVR Advantage?


Why are you complaining about a way to save money? even if its not much? really? people will complain about anything.
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:11 PM

So if I read this correctly there is a whopping .98 discount for DVR Advantage? What is the point.

Charlie Ergen. Stop being Grinch...why not just get rid of DVR Advantage?

For the first year (Feb 2007-Feb 2008) DVR Advantage was also a 98¢ discount. Then the normal Feb 2008 price increases came and DVR Advantage didn't change (it was price guaranteed). For the past year it has saved people $3.98 to $5.98.

Perhaps 98¢ per DVR isn't a savings now but it will be if they price guarantee again.




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