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Breaking News: Senate votes to delay DTV transition four months


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#241 OFFLINE   Stuart Sweet

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:47 AM

So as stated before, this is a bill that everyone can get behind — it imposes no burden on many broadcasters who will be free to stop analog broadcasting when they choose, it extends the availability of coupons for those who are waiting without pouring more money into the program, and it provides positive PR for the lawmakers who support it (at least among the less technical.)

Nothing is perfect and as discussed there are still some stations that might have to wait because another station hasn't given up analog yet.

As I have said before, the interesting thing should be how many (or how few) stations choose to take advantage of the time extension, as it seems to be a choice.
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#242 OFFLINE   samhevener

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:59 AM

We told you that this bill was a bad idea. Because indeed - several stations ARE shutting down analog on or before Feb 17. And even if/when this bill gets signed, there is that good old permissive section 4 that says with adequate notification - stations can shutdown analog whenever they want - as long as they are all shutdown by June 12.

This bill was written to PERMIT extension of analog - not REQUIRE extension of analog.

As far as any particular station shutting down - it depends on their circumstances some can afford to keep it going longer (I've already been in touch with one engineer - corporate policy for them is to go until the bitter end). Others have already shutdown, or it is already in the works.


I agree with you, the bill as we see it is a bad idea. If the bill was written as I thought Rockefeller intended, only some of those stations that are on analog channels 51-69 could shut before June 12th. The ones that are on frequencies that going to be given to public service.:confused:
AN OLD GEEZER WHO REMEMBERS THE DUMONT TELEVISION NETWORK AND IT'S TOP RATED "CAPTAIN VIDEO AND HIS VIDEO RANGERS", TV NEWS ANCHORMEN WEARING HATS DURING THE NEWSCAST, ONLY 180 SECONDS OF COMMERICALS EACH HALF HOUR, 3 STATIONS ON THE AIR WITH THEIR TEST PATTERNS AIRED FROM 2 TO 3PM, PROGRAMMING FROM 3PM TO 11:30 AND SIGNING OFF AT 11:30PM. HOW COULD I FORGET THE SINGLE FRAME VERTICAL ROLL WHEN THE STATIONS SWITCHED FROM NETWORK TO LOCAL OR LOCAL TO NETWORK AND THE TIME TONE ON THE HOUR.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:08 AM

If as some of you say, any station that wants can shut down on Feb 17th, what is the point of the bill. The bill is to keep the analog stations on the air. I would assume if the bill allowed any station shut on Feb 17th, 99% would do so. :confused:

I agree with your assumption that MOST stations will shut down on February 17th ... and it is nice that you see the problem with this extension. Analog isn't required.

That is also the best part of the bill ... stations CAN turn off their analog without penalty. :)

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:17 AM

Nielson Statistics in the Congressional Record:
http://frwebgate.acc...87&position=all
http://frwebgate.acc...88&position=all
(See PDFs above for lined up columns)

Percent Completely ready - Partially ready - Completely unready
Albuquerque-Santa Fe .............. 81.29 6.47 12.24
Dallas-Ft. Worth ....................... 77.39 12.40 10.21
Houston .................................... 72.63 17.42 9.95
Tulsa ......................................... 76.50 13.97 9.53
Portland, OR ............................. 80.85 10.08 9.08
Salt Lake City ........................... 81.58 9.85 8.58
Memphis ................................... 73.31 18.16 8.53
Austin ....................................... 80.73 10.82 8.45
Los Angeles .............................. 82.54 9.80 7.66
Sacramento-Stkton-Modesto .... 77.04 15.63 7.33
Phoenix (Prescott) .................... 77.82 14.87 7.31
Jacksonville .............................. 80.89 12.09 7.02
Dayton ...................................... 75.14 17.98 6.88
Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And ...... 84.94 8.37 6.69
Indianapolis .............................. 72.71 20.76 6.53
Milwaukee ................................. 73.94 19.63 6.43
San Antonio .............................. 77.19 16.61 6.20
Richmond-Petersburg ............... 77.04 16.83 6.13
San Diego ................................. 84.42 9.64 5.94
Cleveland-Akron (Canton) ........ 81.86 12.22 5.91
Minneapolis-St. Paul ................ 78.21 15.94 5.85
Kansas City .............................. 75.88 18.37 5.75
Seattle-Tacoma ........................ 85.18 9.16 5.67
Miami-Ft. Lauderdale ............... 83.11 11.41 5.47
St. Louis ................................... 79.72 15.02 5.26
Cincinnati ................................. 72.62 22.17 5.21
San Francisco-Oak-San Jose .... 89.45 5.35 5.20
Chicago .................................... 82.00 12.82 5.18
Las Vegas ................................. 81.79 13.04 5.17
Birmingham (Ann and Tusc) ... 82.91 12.23 4.86
Charlotte ................................... 85.50 9.72 4.79
Denver ...................................... 81.24 14.01 4.75
Louisville .................................. 80.66 14.75 4.59
Nashville ................................... 81.58 14.01 4.41
Detroit ....................................... 83.18 12.42 4.40
Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) ..... 80.47 15.15 4.38
New Orleans ............................. 84.14 11.51 4.35
Columbus, OH .......................... 79.64 16.08 4.29
Buffalo ...................................... 86.04 9.69 4.27
Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) ...... 89.47 6.39 4.14
Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) ..... 81.76 14.16 4.08
Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn ... 86.30 9.79 3.91
Norfolk-Portsmth-Newpt Nws ... 79.97 16.25 3.78
Baltimore .................................. 79.91 16.34 3.75
Greensboro-H.Point-W.Salem .... 85.20 11.38 3.42
Knoxville ................................... 84.78 12.02 3.20
Providence-New Bedford .......... 83.25 13.56 3.20
Oklahoma City .......................... 85.62 11.31 3.07
Pittsburgh ................................. 88.89 8.07 3.05
Ft. Myers-Naples ...................... 89.55 7.48 2.98
West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce .... 90.86 6.47 2.67
New York .................................. 92.51 4.93 2.57
Boston (Manchester) ................ 84.05 13.70 2.25
Philadelphia ............................. 87.37 10.53 2.10
Atlanta ...................................... 89.66 8.31 2.02
Hartford & New Haven ............. 87.91 10.34 1.76

The "completely unready" is the column I care the most about as the original transition law required 85% of homes to have ONE TV ready (parially or completely ready homes). The worst market is still over the 85% threshold for at least partially ready.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:23 AM

I agree with your assumption that MOST stations will shut down on February 17th ... and it is nice that you see the problem with this extension. Analog isn't required.

That is also the best part of the bill ... stations CAN turn off their analog without penalty. :)


I hope that the displayed date of 6/12/2009 IS NOT an indication of hpw2 of my local stations intend to handle the bill

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:31 AM

I hope that the displayed date of 6/12/2009 IS NOT an indication of hpw2 of my local stations intend to handle the bill

http://media.myfoxny.com/dtv/

Odd that they changed that particular mention of a date but not elsewhere on the page (including the March 31st date for coupons). Not official yet ... and I too hope that all stations will go ASAP.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:37 AM

When will congress VOTE!?!?!?!

The House is rightfully working on an economic stimulus package right now so it would likely be tomorrow at the earliest before they discuss the delay in earnest.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:40 AM

The worst market is still over the 85% threshold for at least partially ready.

You can bet that the percentage would drop fast if analog went away. Some people seem to like to have their priorities established for them.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:56 AM

I suppose I don't care if they stay up analog - in the guidelines of the NightLight provision. But I really want all digital moves to happen by Feb 18.
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:56 AM

The necessary 2/3rds majority was not met so the rules were not suspended and the bill was not passed at this time.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:02 PM

According to a bottom line splash on CSPAN, it sounds like the bill won't pass. Perhaps because without a rules suspension it can't be passed before February 17?

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:10 PM

According to a bottom line splash on CSPAN, it sounds like the bill won't pass. Perhaps because without a rules suspension it can't be passed before February 17?


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Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:11 PM

New thread started on the House actions so please continue over at: http://www.dbstalk.c...ad.php?t=151067

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