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Breaking News: House refuses to fast track DTV Delay Act


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#51 OFFLINE   Henry

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:45 PM

No, it just means 6 million are not ready! They could be in possession of a voucher and chosen not to redeem it, they could be on a waiting for their voucher, they could be misinformed and think they are not ready for the digital transition when in fact they are, or they plan to wait until the very last second.

According to the last numbers I saw, there were less the waiting list was less then 1 million vouchers (keeping in mind that some may be requesting multiple vouchers)


I'll take that to mean you agree that it's hard to believe that all of these affected people are not in the know.
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:49 PM

Has anyone seed the actual language in the senate bill as it pertains to which gets priority (existing analog broadcast or new permanent-RF-home digital broadcast) as of Feb 18? Hopefully, the new bill/law allows digital to trump any conflicting analog signal, and thereby force an analog shutdown in those cases.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:49 PM

After some more investigation I have foumd that the bill is definately dead.
This was a special bill that:) needed a 2/3 majority to pass. It the bill, is now completly dead. It will not happen. The changeover is now set in stone unless they try to do a new bill completely. The change over right now is Feb. 17, 2009.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:49 PM

I seriously doubt the delay will do any good. If a person hasn't received the proper notice by now then it's on them. If this has to do with the converter coupons, give the money to the manufacturers and sell them at what it is with the discount already included.


It's the NAB'S and stations fault. They should've aired PSAS on the hour and half hour since 2006.

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#55 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:50 PM

The latest Reuters report indicates that the bill could be brought up again next week without a rules suspension. Under those rules a couple things are possible:
1) simple majority (bill likely passes)
2) but--the bill can be amended! (again by simple majority).

If the bill is amended, it would have to go back to the Senate or a joint committee to resolve the differences.

So the bill is not dead yet.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:52 PM

After some more investigation I have foumd that the bill is definately dead.
This was a special bill that:) needed a 2/3 majority to pass. It the bill, is now completly dead. It will not happen. The changeover is now set in stone unless they try to do a new bill completely. The change over right now is Feb. 17, 2009.


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The bill would not normally be dead. It can be re-introduced in two ways: 1) again under a suspension of the rules (and would still need 2/3rds majority) or 2) normal bill introduction, committee, debate, possible amending, etc. (only requires simple majority votes.)

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:55 PM

Thanks, Tom, for that not terribly happy news.
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#58 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:55 PM

Has anyone seed the actual language in the senate bill as it pertains to which gets priority (existing analog broadcast or new permanent-RF-home digital broadcast) as of Feb 18? Hopefully, the new bill/law allows digital to trump any conflicting analog signal, and thereby force an analog shutdown in those cases.


As far as the transition itself, the Senate Bill only extends the deadlines without modifying priority and without modifying the ability to transition early (under the existing rules to early transition.)

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:56 PM

Was it by unanimous concent? Everywhere I've read about it the bill passed unanimously - I took that to mean by unanimous vote, but I could be wrong.

Unanimous consent has been noted in our threads (and you can confirm by checking Thomas (congress.gov)).

As for your second point, no that's not true. They can't slow it down.

They already HAVE slowed it down by objecting to the "unanimous consent" in the house last night (where the speaker pro tem "heard" a 2/3rds majority before the roll call vote was requested) and by that vote not passing this morning. It is obvious that they can slow it down when they HAVE!

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:00 PM

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They already HAVE slowed it down by objecting to the "unanimous consent" in the house last night (where the speaker pro tem "heard" a 2/3rds majority before the roll call vote was requested) and by that vote not passing this morning. It is obvious that they can slow it down when they HAVE!


That is very interesting. Last night, I listened to the voice vote multiple times and thought I heard it was "not" 2/3rds in affirmative, tho the official record shows it otherwise.

Oh well, it ended up being "Yeas and Nays" vote today regardless.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:02 PM

I have a feeling this one's going to be a vampire that won't die. I don't think the silver bullet or the wooden stake has been applied just yet.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:04 PM

I have a feeling this one's going to be a vampire that won't die. I don't think the silver bullet or the wooden stake has been applied just yet.


I have my cross, but don't have my garlic yet. I fear similarly...

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:05 PM

They just need to get a bill to President Obama before Feb 17 .. Still lots of time.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:06 PM

The CBS station in Kansas City is shutting down the analog on Feb. 17. It is expected the everybody else in Kansas City will follow.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:06 PM

If this goes to a regular vote I don't think here is any question it will pass. The ONLY question I see is if the process can be help up or otherwise delayed for 20 days.
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:08 PM

kill that bill!!!
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:10 PM

This is a link I have to show it is a no go for the bill.
www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/28/house-votes-delaying-digitial-tv-transition ( According to Fox news the bill is completely dead.)

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:12 PM

From an article by Adrianne Kroepsch, CQPolitics

Democratic leaders now will have to take the bill to the House Rules Committee to obtain a rule for debate, which would allow the measure to pass by a simple majority vote. Because the House is not in session for the rest of this week, that action is unlikely until next week.


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(Which also points out that the Senate was a voice vote.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:12 PM

Until the bill has been shot with a silver bullet, then a wooden stake pounded in a carcus, a clove of garlic hung around it's neck, and sprinkled with holy water, the bill is still alive in my opinion. It may be on life support and fading fast, but it is still alive.

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#70 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:14 PM

This is a link I have to show it is a no go for the bill.
www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/28/house-votes-delaying-digitial-tv-transition ( According to Fox news the bill is completely dead.)


That report seems to be incomplete as in fact the bill was not voted upon, but rather a motion to suspend the rules (and simultaneously pass the bill) failed.

The bill can still proceed via normal means.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:18 PM

Millions have been spent in advertising, coupons and broadcast stations in the 2-17 conversion. No doubt, the number of those "in line' is over stated. I agree that there are some that want multiple coupons, including dealers that can then re-sell at full price but you would have to be a caveman not to have received the conversion date loud and clear. Please no e-mails from the cavemen on this!
The Senate bill was not mandatory for a delay anyway. The House delayed it to a mute point.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:20 PM

Millions have been spent in advertising, coupons and broadcast stations in the 2-17 conversion. No doubt, the number of those "in line' is over stated. I agree that there are some that want multiple coupons, including dealers that can then re-sell at full price but you would have to be a caveman not to have received the conversion date loud and clear. Please no e-mails from the cavemen on this!
The Senate bill was not mandatory for a delay anyway. The House delayed it to a mute point.

The cavemen are busy with Geico and likely will be thru the February 17th date, so you might be safe... :D

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:23 PM

I was not expecting that to happen. Most of the brocasters were for the delay because it would allow them to have additional viewers for a bit longer thus increasing revenue streams from commercials.

I bet they'll get the same revenues whether they have an analog feed or not. Not having the analog feed saves them a lot of money; certainly enough to make up for a relatively small loss in audience.

I call baloney.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:27 PM

By the way, I thank everyone for keeping this thread so clean of political commentary and limited to the actions of the government.

Thank you and keep up the great work!
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 02:28 PM

It's the NAB'S and stations fault. They should've aired PSAS on the hour and half hour since 2006.


In the Houston area, we've been blasted with the "dtv changeover--Feb 17th, are you ready" ads on all the local stations for the last 3 to 4 months. I actually think I've seen as many of these ads as political ads during the summer. I think what got peoples attention in our area was that the stations have been doing "tests" for a couple of minutes, dropping the analog signal, then the viewers who aren't ready get a blank screen during the test. Then, "doh" sets in, then panic. I guess it's human nature to procrastinate, the older I get, the more I seem to:D
My question is since the program is out of money for the coupons, what happened to all of the unredeemed/expired coupons? Where did that money disappear to? Maybe the "dtv transition dept" needs a bailout:lol:




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