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Markets that have confirmed they will end full-power analog on 2/18...anyway


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#1 OFFLINE   Kansas Zephyr

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 05:44 PM

Wichita-Hutchinson, KS - All stations

After chatting with the stations' management...all are sticking to an analog cut-off at 11:59pm on 2/17.

This doesn't necessarily include all of the satellite full-power stations (some have already become digital only), LPs and TXs, however.

KPTS (PBS) has already terminated analog service.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 06:31 PM

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NBC,ABC, CW and CBS will shutdown.

looking for info for Fox

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 06:50 PM

So far I've only found http://www.kgw.com/t...e.127b3a69.html but it does look like all the portland stations will be dropping analog on the 17th.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 07:19 PM

While it appears that all stations in Atlanta are presently broadcasting in digital, only WGCL (CBS) is planning to switch off analog on 2/17.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 12:47 PM

All the San Diego stations have indicated they will shut off analog on the original date.

Haven't heard anything on the two major mexico stations that also serve San Diego.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 01:31 PM

It looks like here is a list of all of the stations and when they are switching.

http://www.rabbitear...fo/termlist.php

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 02:00 PM

OKC stations are staying with the 2/17 deadline. I wonder if KWTV will have any issues with going from it's temporary UHF digital channel (39) to it's permanent VHF digital channel (9). KWTV analog has been on channel 9.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 02:05 PM

The new FCC Public Notice states that all stations that desire to switch on February 17 must file by end of day February 9.

They might also have to defend their intent as to how that serves the public good.

In light of these new actions, perhaps this thread has become premature?

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 02:21 PM

So far I've only found http://www.kgw.com/t...e.127b3a69.html but it does look like all the portland stations will be dropping analog on the 17th.

Well, given that it looks like the FCC isn't inclined to let all the stations turn off their analog early, something might have to give here. They seem determined to complicate it.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 03:08 PM

It looks like here is a list of all of the stations and when they are switching.

http://www.rabbitear...fo/termlist.php


Interesting but incomplete data at this point.

BTW.. what does STA and NSO mean in the middle column of that data?

According to WGAL (Lancaster, PA), they are in discussions with the other stations in the Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA market to see they are going to do before deciding for themselves. No word yet from WHP, WITF, WLYH, and WHTM. WPMT is listed as going all digital on 2/17.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 03:20 PM

BTW.. what does STA and NSO mean in the middle column of that data?


STA = Special Temporary Authority. I have no idea what NSO stands for. I never heard of that one before. But it looks like the table is giving the current analog channel, the digital channel before transition, and the post transition digital channel.

Update: Just found this on another post. NSO = Notice of Silent Operation. No idea if that's accurate or not.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 03:53 PM

In Dayton, OH 3 stations have already announced they will change on time WHIO (CBS), WKEF (ABC) and WRGT (FOX). No word yet from NBC, PBS or CW stations. Of course this was before this latest notice from the FCC so this could change.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:18 PM

They might also have to defend their intent as to how that serves the public good.


What the hell does that even mean?

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:25 PM

What the hell does that even mean?


The FCC has allowed for situations where all stations in a market might intend to switch on February 17. If that market still has a large percentage (an undefined term) of people who are unprepared for the switch, the FCC might require (some) stations to justify why they want to switch before June 12 and how it would be in the better interest of the Public.

The big key is they want to ensure people still have access to emergency alerts thru some means. And the fewest number of people's TVs go dark. (They fully admit there will be people who will go dark no matter what is done.)

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:48 PM

Radio is a much better way to get local emergency broadcasts. Everyone has a radio.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:23 PM

This may be the wrong thread, but I've heard from KYW 3 in Philadelphia. They are going to switch at the last minute on June 12. WPSG 57 is owned by them, so they'll probably go late as well.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:25 PM

Thanks for the update msmith.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 10:55 PM

MSNBC has an article that states 5 of the stations in Minneapolis are going to switch by the 17th. Since that is my market I would like to know where they got that information. On the PBS website they claim that they will continue until June.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:02 PM

Nevermind, I just needed to stop being lazy and do a little research. Here is an excerpt from an article from WCCO in Minneapolis.

"KTTC-TV and KXLT Fox 47 say their viewers in the Rochester-Austin-Mason City market are ready for the change from analog to digital. Duluth CBS and NBC affiliates KDLH and KBJR say they're also ending analog broadcasting Feb. 17."

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:06 AM

I found an article online that says that WPVI 6 in Philly is also waiting until June 12.

WHYY 12 (PBS) really wanted to go as soon as possible. When I heard from somebody from the station last week, they said that they'd probably go with the first big-4 station to switch. It sounds like none of them are going early.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:29 AM

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ABC (5), CBS (8), PBS (11) are delaying transition until the June Date

NBC (13), Fox (17) are transitioning Feb 17.

Other smaller networks locally don't have info posted yet.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 09:09 AM

Grand Rapids, MI market:

WWMT 3 CBS, WZZM 13 ABC and WXMI 17 FOX will wait till June 12th
WOOD 8 NBC, WOTV 41 ABC haven't decided yet
WGVU 35 PBS is playing the wait and see what the other guys do game.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 09:23 AM

USA Today has a story this morning saying that stations owned by CBS, Fox, ABC, NBC, Telemundo, Gannett, and Hearst-Argyle have said they will wait until June.

So that explains KYW, WPVI as they are owned by CBS, ABC. It means that all the big 4 in NYC, LA, and Chicago will probably all stay until June 12.

In Atlanta, that means WXIA (11 - NBC) & WATL (36 - MNT) both owned by Gannett, and WAGA (5 - FOX) will stay until June 12. Someone said WGCL (46 - CBS) owned by Meredith will switch on Feb 17. I can't find anything on WSB (2 - ABC) owned by Cox, WHIO in Dayton is owned by them and they are switching Feb 17.

WSFA (12 - NBC) in Montgomery, AL indicates all stations in that Market are switching Feb 17, while the Dothan, AL market (which has no NBC and WSFA is the default NBC for part of that market) will wait until June.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 09:59 AM

In Nashville, the Sinclair stations have said they are dropping analog on 2/17 (Fox17, MyTv30, and CW58).

CBS WTVF is the only station that has stated they will wait until June 12.

NBC WSMV and PBS have said they want to switch on 2/17, but aren't 100% sure.

ABC WKRN is unknown.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 10:31 AM

My understanding of these new FCC guidelines is that TV stations must file yet again if they intend to shut off analog broadcasts by Feb. 17 and try to get that paperwork filed properly no later than Monday, Feb. 9. Correct?

I hope the stations in my viewing market are able to get those materials filed properly. KSWO-TV in Lawton, OK already had intentions of shutting off its analog broadcast, but may have to file its intention yet again.

Is there any limitation on TV stations cutting back the transmission power on their analog broadcasts? I know a couple of TV stations in Wichita Falls were entertaining that idea as a means of offsetting the cost of running their DTV signals at full power.

If that market still has a large percentage (an undefined term) of people who are unprepared for the switch, the FCC might require (some) stations to justify why they want to switch before June 12 and how it would be in the better interest of the Public.


It would be in the public interest for the TV station to not go broke or fire a bunch of its employees due to sky high electric bills from continuing to transmit two TV signals. Whether the FCC will even care about that is unknown.

The big key is they want to ensure people still have access to emergency alerts thru some means. And the fewest number of people's TVs go dark. (They fully admit there will be people who will go dark no matter what is done.)


Broadcast TV is a very poor choice on which to depend for emergency alerts. Most often, the public is relying on emergency alerts as they pertain to severe weather. TV is not very good for that because it does not work when you have lost electrical power.

[Mod note: text redacted]...since the proponents of the DTV Delay are citing the ability to provide emergency alerts as a primary excuse for the delay. Relying on a TV for such purposes is dangerous.

Here in Oklahoma, if you really want something that works for severe weather warnings get a battery operated NOAA Weather Radio. It still works when there is no electricity, unlike TV. It automatically sounds an alarm whenever severe weather alerts are issued -like in the middle of the night when you are asleep. TV does not do that. TV will not wake you to tell you a tornado warning has been issued. TV will let someone sleep until the storm sirens may or may not wake them. And then the person could end up dead for relying on a TV to do what a NOAA Weather Radio does far better.

Edited by Tom Robertson, 06 February 2009 - 02:21 PM.





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