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Markets that have confirmed they will end full-power analog on 2/18...anyway


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#21 OFFLINE   hasan

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:29 AM

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ABC (5), CBS (8), PBS (11) are delaying transition until the June Date

NBC (13), Fox (17) are transitioning Feb 17.

Other smaller networks locally don't have info posted yet.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 09:09 AM

Grand Rapids, MI market:

WWMT 3 CBS, WZZM 13 ABC and WXMI 17 FOX will wait till June 12th
WOOD 8 NBC, WOTV 41 ABC haven't decided yet
WGVU 35 PBS is playing the wait and see what the other guys do game.

Edited by SParker, 09 February 2009 - 09:38 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2009 - 09:23 AM

USA Today has a story this morning saying that stations owned by CBS, Fox, ABC, NBC, Telemundo, Gannett, and Hearst-Argyle have said they will wait until June.

So that explains KYW, WPVI as they are owned by CBS, ABC. It means that all the big 4 in NYC, LA, and Chicago will probably all stay until June 12.

In Atlanta, that means WXIA (11 - NBC) & WATL (36 - MNT) both owned by Gannett, and WAGA (5 - FOX) will stay until June 12. Someone said WGCL (46 - CBS) owned by Meredith will switch on Feb 17. I can't find anything on WSB (2 - ABC) owned by Cox, WHIO in Dayton is owned by them and they are switching Feb 17.

WSFA (12 - NBC) in Montgomery, AL indicates all stations in that Market are switching Feb 17, while the Dothan, AL market (which has no NBC and WSFA is the default NBC for part of that market) will wait until June.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 09:59 AM

In Nashville, the Sinclair stations have said they are dropping analog on 2/17 (Fox17, MyTv30, and CW58).

CBS WTVF is the only station that has stated they will wait until June 12.

NBC WSMV and PBS have said they want to switch on 2/17, but aren't 100% sure.

ABC WKRN is unknown.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 10:31 AM

My understanding of these new FCC guidelines is that TV stations must file yet again if they intend to shut off analog broadcasts by Feb. 17 and try to get that paperwork filed properly no later than Monday, Feb. 9. Correct?

I hope the stations in my viewing market are able to get those materials filed properly. KSWO-TV in Lawton, OK already had intentions of shutting off its analog broadcast, but may have to file its intention yet again.

Is there any limitation on TV stations cutting back the transmission power on their analog broadcasts? I know a couple of TV stations in Wichita Falls were entertaining that idea as a means of offsetting the cost of running their DTV signals at full power.

If that market still has a large percentage (an undefined term) of people who are unprepared for the switch, the FCC might require (some) stations to justify why they want to switch before June 12 and how it would be in the better interest of the Public.


It would be in the public interest for the TV station to not go broke or fire a bunch of its employees due to sky high electric bills from continuing to transmit two TV signals. Whether the FCC will even care about that is unknown.

The big key is they want to ensure people still have access to emergency alerts thru some means. And the fewest number of people's TVs go dark. (They fully admit there will be people who will go dark no matter what is done.)


Broadcast TV is a very poor choice on which to depend for emergency alerts. Most often, the public is relying on emergency alerts as they pertain to severe weather. TV is not very good for that because it does not work when you have lost electrical power.

[Mod note: text redacted]...since the proponents of the DTV Delay are citing the ability to provide emergency alerts as a primary excuse for the delay. Relying on a TV for such purposes is dangerous.

Here in Oklahoma, if you really want something that works for severe weather warnings get a battery operated NOAA Weather Radio. It still works when there is no electricity, unlike TV. It automatically sounds an alarm whenever severe weather alerts are issued -like in the middle of the night when you are asleep. TV does not do that. TV will not wake you to tell you a tornado warning has been issued. TV will let someone sleep until the storm sirens may or may not wake them. And then the person could end up dead for relying on a TV to do what a NOAA Weather Radio does far better.

Edited by Tom Robertson, 06 February 2009 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:38 PM

There are many types of emergencies and emergency alerts. In my mind, most of them occur before power goes out, not after. After the power is out, the emergency has typically passed.

It also seems that more and more people don't have radios handy. They have TVs. (And Ipods) :) TV is still a much needed medium.

By the way, I'm not discounting radio that much, really. Both are needed and important.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:48 PM

Radio is a much better way to get local emergency broadcasts. Everyone has a radio.


Because satellite and radar images are so much clearer on radio...;)
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:41 PM

ThinkTV is one of the first, if not the first to notify FCC of "early" analog shut off for Both WPTO and WPTD on Feb 17, 2009, using the new procedures described in Yesterday's FCC Public Notice regarding such procedures and passage by congress of DTV Delay act. The Pres has to actually sign it of course before transition is extented to Jun 12 and any of it actually means anything ....

Some Info on One of the WPTD filings involved is here (the one with the Feb 5 date) :

http://svartifoss2.f...cility_id=25067

Some Info on One of the WPTO filings involved is here :

http://fjallfoss.fcc...cility_id=25065

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There are updated DTR's(digital transition reports), from WPTD/WPTO which were filed as is required by the new rules with a Status date of "today" as well ....

The updated DTR, and attached exhibit for WPTD seems to indicate they are still planning on commencing DTV operations on channel 16 at 00:01 AM Feb 18 .... However, I believe :

#1). "new procedures"(if the pres signs DTV delay act) from FCC indicate stations planning on operating post-transition facilities(such as on different channels) need to file for a STA (and have it be granted) in order to do that(which they apparently haven't done yet), as the new rules say that otherwise, they would only be authorized to operate their current *pre-transition* facility on Ch 58 ...

#2). Furthermore, The new procedures also say :

"a station with a post-transition construction permit containing a condition prohibiting use of the post-transition facility until February 18, 2009 will now be prohibited from using its post-transition facility until June 13, 2009, unless approved by the Commission, as permitted by the Third DTV Periodic Report and Order."


Well, guess what ? WPTD apparently has such a condition ... Here's link(PDF) to the Authorization for what I think is their current Post-transition CP - Note: I hope this link works, it MIGHT not the way FCC formats CP authorization documents on their website) :

http://fjallfoss.fcc...les/1249790.pdf

Condition 2 says :

Originally Posted by WPTD post transition CP authorization
Special operating conditions or restrictions:
2 This is to notify you that the grant of this construction permit is
subject to the condition that this facility can not commence operation
prior to midnight of February 17, 2009, or by such other date as the
Commission may establish in the future, without prior approval from the
Commission.


Hope they can get the STA and/or the necessary special permission for DTV on 16 it seems like they will need ...

Of course, what would be even better would be if the Pres gains some "wisdom" over the next few days doesn't sign the thing ... Otherwise ... What a mess ...

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BTW, I just finished scouring FCC site for "new" Dayton+Cincinnati filings which meet the new "rules" for filing for Feb 17 shutdown, so far WPTO and WPTD are the only ones that seem to apply ...

The new rules say stations who are going to shut down "early"(such as on Feb 17) have until Monday, February 9, 2009 (11:59 p.m. EST) To file, refile, Notify or "renotify", otherwise they'll turn into a pumpkin or something I suppose if they shut down on Feb 17 and the Pres signs the DTV Delay act.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:52 PM

Let your voices be heard. The White House wants to know what you think about this extension of the analog shutdown:http://www.whitehous.../dtv_delay_act/
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:36 PM

WHIO 7 is still planning on dumping analog on February 17. There was report on it on the 5:30pm news.

Their chief engineer, Chuck Eastman, was interviewed at the annual Dayton Home Show, where WHIO has a booth to answer questions about DTV.

It sure looks like Dayton's dominant station will be going digital later this month, and it's a fair guess the rest of Dayton will follow suit. They do have until Monday to file with the FCC to make it official, as robmadden1 pointed out.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 06:54 PM

Our local ABC affiliate, KSWO-TV in Lawton, OK announced this afternoon they were sticking with the original Feb. 17 analog cut off date. Not only that, they said the other three major network affiliates in the Wichita Falls, TX-Lawton, OK DMA were also shutting off analog services the same day.
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KSWO cited a recent viewer survey showing 99% of its viewers were ready for the DTV transition. They also noted the importance of coordinating with other TV stations, cable services and satellite TV providers in sticking with the original deadline.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 07:12 PM

Well, well, well. The Utah broadcasters have reversed themselves and all but one of the majors will delay until June 12. KUCW, channel 30, is currently the only one to plan to switch.

My comment: someone flinched, the rest followed.

Hope their budgets can absorb the cost without laying anyone off. :(

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 11:34 PM

Feb or June, as long as Government is involved it will always be a mess and someone will never be ready. As for television vs radio, suppose the electricity is out due to a failure miles away (power substation, etc) That nifty little battery TV is nice, but the converter box is AC only, more poor planning.

No disrespect to TV, but radio is always king in an emergency. Size matters, and smaller is better, especially if you have to be mobile. Besides, if stations go down, there are more in any given market on radio than on television.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 01:15 AM

Dayton & Ch 64 Pulling Plug On Analog

Dayton is pulling the plug on all analog signals, along with Cincinnati's WSTR-TV (Channel 64), in 10 days. Dayton's Channels 2, 7, 16, 22 and 45 -- which come in very strong into Butler and Warren counties, sometimes better than the Cincinnati stations -- will cease analog broadcasting at 11:59 p.m. on Feb. 17, the deadline set by Congress three years ago.

Cincinnati's five other stations -- Channels 5, 9, 12, 19 and 48 -- plus Oxford's Channel 14 (operated by Ch. 16) -- will continue broadcasting both analog and digital signals into spring.

After the House approved pushing back the digital deadline to June 12, Cincinnati station managers had looked into sticking with the Feb. 17 deadline. But the strict federal guidelines for switching this month to DTV convinced Cincinnati stations to keep broadcasting in both analog and digital for several months, says Bill Fee, Ch 9 VP & GM. Stations would say about $6,000 a month in electrical costs by turning off old analog transmitters.

Sinclair Broadcast Group, which owns Channel 64 and Dayton's Channels 22 and 45, had announced Tuesday its stations would adhere to the original Feb. 17 date. Dayton's WPDT-TV (Channel 16) and WHIO-TV (Channel 7) wanted to turn off analog this month to make technological improvements on their towers for DTV.

Some Cincinnati stations may drop analog before June 12, under Federal Communications Commission regulations released Thursday. Stations here could start turning off analog after May sweeps end May 20, Fee says.

The Dayton shut-off could be a significant test for the area. Where I live in Fairfield near Jungle Jim's, we get Dayton stations (both analog and digital) better than Cincinnati stations. In fact, Ch. 5 is the only digital station I get with rabbit ears and a converter box. So we'll see what happens, how many viewers are unprepared or disenfranchised when Dayton pulls the plug.

Do any of you rely on Dayton analog signals? Are you prepared for DTV?

http://news.cincinna....cincinnati.com

The info for 14 WPTO is not correct. Look at thier updated aplication.

http://fjallfoss.fcc...7&fac_num=25065

In big letters at the bottom of the aplication it says:

THE PURPOSE OF THIS UPDATE IS TO NOTIFY THE COMMISSION THAT WPTO WILL TERMINATE ITS ANALOG TELEVISION SERVICE AT MIDNIGHT ON FEBRUARY 17, 2009.

Aplication list:

http://fjallfoss.fcc...cility_id=25065

You can see from the list they filed yesturday February 6th.

Edited by robmadden1, 07 February 2009 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2009 - 11:38 AM

KXII in Sherman/Ada pulled the plug at 2am this morning. That was planned all along and they stuck with it. They say that the area is ready because the last soft test they had 2 weeks ago they only received 6 calls from people that had lost signal. KTEN the other channel in this markets says that they do not know what they are going to do yet when this bill gets signed monday. They say to watch their channel and website for their new updated date or if they decide to go ahead this month.
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 11:54 AM

Well, well, well. The Utah broadcasters have reversed themselves and all but one of the majors will delay until June 12. KUCW, channel 30, is currently the only one to plan to switch.

My comment: someone flinched, the rest followed.

Hope their budgets can absorb the cost without laying anyone off. :(

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I just found out today when I checked my email.

I also hope no one gets the axe because of this.


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Posted 07 February 2009 - 03:11 PM

Hundreds of stations around the country now say they are going to take advantage of the option to drop analog broadcasts this month. ..... The Oklahoma Educational Television Authority, the public broadcasting network in the state, said Thursday that it planned to cease analog ..... PBS spokeswoman Lea Sloan said about half of the 356 public broadcasting stations across the country will make the switch on Feb. 17. ..... The Utah Broadcasters Association said the commercial stations in the state still plan to shut down analog on Feb. 17, while the public ones will wait until June. ...... In Wisconsin, at least two stations in Madison and five in the La Cross-Eau Claire plan to flip the switch on Feb. 17. In Minnesota, at least four stations plan to keep that date, along with five in Iowa.

CBS, Fox, ABC and NBC and Telemundo have committed to keeping the stations they own broadcasting analog until June 12. Together, they own 85 full-power stations, mainly in large cities. ..... In a few areas, including Hawaii and South Carolina, stations have already abandoned analog broadcasting. ....... At the Oklahoma public broadcasting association, Mark Norman says, "We really don't think it's going be as major of an issue as people anticipated."


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Posted 07 February 2009 - 10:44 PM

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WCBI CBS 4.1 digital as of 1/24/09 analog was turned off on 1/24/09
WKDH ABC 45.1 has been digital only for aprox. 2 years
WTVA NBC 9.1 will go digital only 2/17/09
WLOV FOX 27.1 will go digital only 2/17/09

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:05 AM

Because satellite and radar images are so much clearer on radio...;)


Yep, but hope the storm comes while you are watching tv. Ill stick with my battery backed up NOAA weather radio. It wakes me up, tells me to grab my butt, and duck.

In any case, TV and radar are important, but I wouldnt put my safety at its mercy. Everyone should have a NOAA weather alert radio.

Now, to stay on topic...

Little Rock, AR market, FOX 16, and KVTN (religious) 25 have announced shutoff plans on or before the 17th.

KARZ 42 MyNet already shut down analog.

KETS PBS (2) shut down analog AND digital a week ago to install a new digital channel 7 antenna and full power transmitter and will come on air as soon as KATV ABC 7 shuts down analog.

KATV ABC (which is currently using ch 7 for analog) hasnt announced, nor has KARK NBC 4.

KTHV CBS 11 will remain on until June.

KASN CW 38 has not announced, but are owned by same company as Fox 16.

Low power ch 9 (ind), ch 20 (ind), 36 (daystar), and 58 (univision) are probably going to remain analog.

Ch 27 (3ABN) is already digital only

Ch 18 KTWN is already low power digital and never had an analog channel.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:31 AM

Medford Oregon

5.1 KOBI NBC
8.1 SOPTV PBS
10.1 KTVL CBS
12.1 KDRV ABC
26.1 KMVU FOX

KFBI MNTV 48 is a LP Analog channel no word on them yet, but when i look them up it shows post 2009 48.1??

Edited by BlackHitachi, 08 February 2009 - 02:04 PM.





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