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#26 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:59 PM

THE FCC HAS SPOKEN: In part ...

In contrast to the stations remaining on the air and those that have previously terminated analog service or complied with the Third DTV Periodic Report and Order procedures to terminate analog service before February 17th, we have identified 123 stations of the 491 intending to terminate analog service on February 17th whose early termination poses a significant risk of substantial public harm.

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Accordingly, we hereby reconsider the partial waiver granted by the February 5th Public Notice to those stations listed on the Appendix attached to this Public Notice. These stations are, therefore, not permitted to terminate their analog service on February 17th, unless they comply with the conditions and procedures described below.

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Stations listed in the Appendix to this Public Notice may obtain reinstatement of the waiver necessary for them to terminate analog service on February 17, 2009 by certifying to the Commission, not later than the close of business (6:00 pm EST) on Friday, February 13th, that they will individually undertake the measures specified herein as a means of ameliorating the public interest harms that the termination of their analog service would engender. We also encourage stations in the markets listed in the Appendix to cooperate and undertake the actions on a joint basis. Each station should certify in response to this Public Notice its compliance with the following eight measures. These certifications will reflect that the station is undertaking the action individually or that they have confirmed that another station will do so.

Public Notice: http://hraunfoss.fcc.../FCC-09-7A1.pdf

Station List: http://hraunfoss.fcc.../FCC-09-7A2.pdf

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:10 PM

The good news is 368 stations are approved. The bad news is for the 123 stations who have to make a showing by Friday, 6pm ET.

It isn't a hard showing ... just "proof" that some sort of nightlight service will be provided by one or more of the stations in the market. Still just one more hurdle to being able to do what all stations have been planning to do for years.

BTW: My market was spared. No full power analog TV after February 17th. Two stations are nightlighting which is probably what saved us.
Correction: Small print. We're not spared. :(

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:59 AM

No market was spared.

The only DMAs that will be newly without full power service or 60 days enhanced nightlight will be St. Joseph, MO, presumably because it is in the Kansas City contour, and Zanesville, OH, presumably because it is in the Columbus contour.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:26 AM

In the Cleveland/Akron market only channel 67 in Canton has permission to shut analog off on Feb 17. The story quotes the FCC as reporting 62% of analog stations will delay the Feb 17 shut down(38% will shut on Feb 17). Some may shutdown after March 14.
http://www.cleveland...8350.xml&coll=2
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:31 AM

And the things is that they will be another delay! People on June still will not be ready!

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:53 AM

I saw an older couple (Mid to late 70s) in a Circuit City asking about these boxes. They were asking how to set it up. I offered and hooked it up for them, their children (in their 50's) don't live in the state, and they really do not have any one to do this. These are the folks this is to protect, this is why I get mad when all the bashing about this bill starts.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 07:17 AM

Hopefully they can find a way to get the converters out to those that need them by mid-June.


What do you mean by mid june? Alot of stations are still changing now. Really this did not prevent much. Its more sad then anything now. Some people will lose some channles but not all. My market has CBS and FOX moving to digital on the normal cut off date and ABC as well as NBC moving later on. What kind of a message is that for a market? You will lose all FOX and CBS programming but not NBC and ABC. Its gonna be weird. I been ready for this for 2 months. Got my DVR (HR20-100) and an antenna already but now have to wait for NBC and ABC. How frustrating.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 08:42 AM

There is nothing to see here. We all made our points during each of the bill stages during the past month. Why new points are there to raise? We just get to watch the aftermath and say, "We told you so."


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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:12 AM

YEAH! I can't wait till they want to delay again come late May early June.... :lol:


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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:19 AM

No market was spared.

The only DMAs that will be newly without full power service or 60 days enhanced nightlight will be St. Joseph, MO, presumably because it is in the Kansas City contour, and Zanesville, OH, presumably because it is in the Columbus contour.

Turns out Zanesville singleton turned off analog last year and St. Joseph's inclusion on the original list appears to be an error.

So scratch previous speculation. No market was spared.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:22 AM

I thought a lot of channels were moving from VHF to UHF. My understanding was that the lower VHF band was going to be used for other purposes. Channels 7-13 that are strong enough can easily be picked up with a UHF antenna in my location... I'm getting 10 (old 4) now.

I recently learned that 5 (Digital 56) is moving back to 5 here in Nashville. On the other hand 2 (Digital 26) is staying at the new assignment. The local PBS is moving back to its current position of 8 as well.

So I'm SOL on the UHF antenna I purchased a year or so back come June (so much for being proactive). Of course I really won't know until June what I'll get.

Does anyone know what got freed up?

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:27 AM

They made all 4 of my market's stations stay on.

How long until the lawsuit is filed? The bill (law) gives them the right to terminate, but it is the FCC that has told them no. I see a federal court being involved with this before Tuesday.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:28 AM

Hopefully they can find a way to get the converters out to those that need them by mid-June.

Oh, please, the word about the transition has been going out over every conceivable type of media for months and come 6.12.09 there will still be those who still don't get it. And then what? Delay it again if there are 57 people in the US without converter boxes? Get AARP involved, that might help. Don't rip me for my last comment, I'm 71 and retired and not a an AARP member.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:29 AM

I've said it before, it turns out that middle-class retirees are not the largest group of people who are unprepared for the transition.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 10:35 AM

I guess good for those that still need to get their gear.

The stupid thing IMO is that most people that have not changed over yet are:

-Those that were just sandbagging, then saw all this news about the delay, and decided to act and get the stuff they needed.
-Those that knew and are just procrastinating until it finally is turned off
-Those that are confused and have not done anything and will continue to not do anything until their picture goes away and they are forced too.

IMO most people did/do not need more time, they just need things to go dark to finally be forced to do something.


You forgot those who don't know about it because their electricity has been turned off for non payment . . . :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 11:57 AM

All locals in my area are switching to digital on the 17th also.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:20 PM

All locals in my area are switching to digital on the 17th also.


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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:50 PM

I've said it before, it turns out that middle-class retirees are not the largest group of people who are unprepared for the transition.


In the last thread months ago on this subject I said that I couldn't imagine a new president allowing the digital switch in February. The Man just walks into his office and sees the probability of yet another nightmare left to him by the previous administration. This is no surprise. Let them concentrate on the important things, like the economy which allows us to have this wonderful satellite service.

And, I bet in four more months, those same folks who aren't ready for the switch, still won't be ready. I plan to go to the Senior Center in my town then and volunteer to help folks hook up the needed equipment. I listen to the people at the stores and most of the people who are asking what to do have no clue. And at BB, of course, those vultures will happily send out the Geek Squad to install the boxes for people. At an exorbitant price of course.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:54 PM

I made sure my family here is ready... They all have DIRECTV. :) (Ok there is the one that manages to get a super deal on comcast every 3 months. As soon as those stop she's already set to switch.)

Did help hook up an extra receiver or two for the family.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:31 PM

These are the folks this is to protect, this is why I get mad when all the bashing about this bill starts.


Protect? From what? No TV for a few days/weeks until they figure it out.

It's only TV.

Compared to the potential loss of jobs to pay for unbudgeted expenses that come with the delay.

That is why I get "mad".

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:53 PM

I saw an older couple (Mid to late 70s) in a Circuit City asking about these boxes. They were asking how to set it up. I offered and hooked it up for them, their children (in their 50's) don't live in the state, and they really do not have any one to do this. These are the folks this is to protect, this is why I get mad when all the bashing about this bill starts.


I sort of agree, however, this probably happened recently, when it should have happened months ago. Most People wait until the last minute with everything. If they would have shut off the analogs when they said(pounded really) they would(and boy did they say it by the countless crawls, commercials, ads etc for ever)people would finally realize that the last minute is here.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:57 PM

I thought a lot of channels were moving from VHF to UHF. My understanding was that the lower VHF band was going to be used for other purposes.


Lower VHF (2-6) remains allocated to television, but relatively few will use those channels digitally.


Does anyone know what got freed up?


Channels 52-69 ("700 nmhz spectrum") will be reallocated for other uses

A list of the final post transistion actual physical channel assignments can be found here (I think this is the current list)
http://hraunfoss.fcc...CC-07-138A2.pdf

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 05:16 PM

No problemo! Just rip the guts out of a converter box and stuff it in the cabinet! Should be plenty of room. I believe the Heath TV was one of the only ones ever made that had the ability to turn an antenna rotor to whatever station was selected. Wish Channel Master had a converter box that could talk to my Channel Master rotor via USB or something.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 05:47 PM

The good news is 368 stations are approved. The bad news is for the 123 stations who have to make a showing by Friday, 6pm ET.(


Not all those 123 will be required to stay on, only enough to satisfy the "public good". I can not help but believe that those markets where all the big 4 decided to shut down, that those stations were all in agreement to do it. If the FCC directs one or two per DMA not to shut down, many to the others may also decide not to shut down. How that plays out will be interesting.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 05:55 PM

Not all those 123 will be required to stay on, only enough to satisfy the "public good". I can not help but believe that those markets where all the big 4 decided to shut down, that those stations were all in agreement to do it. If the FCC directs one or two per DMA not to shut down, many to the others may also decide not to shut down. How that plays out will be interesting.

The FCC was kind enough to decline all major networks requesting February 17th shutdown in markets where any were denied. Stations that had February 16th or earlier shutdown dates were left alone.

In order to satisfy the "public good" a 60 day nightlight, staffed walk in center and other concessions are required. It will be interesting to see how many of the 123 fight, how many shut down and how many comply. Filings due in 23 hours ...




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