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#26 OFFLINE   SayWhat?

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:37 AM

Where is your citation to the objective facts that TWC is earning a lot less money now than they could have been making if NBC/U didn't acquire them?


Again, who said anything about money? Their quality of programming and value to me as a viewer is dropping which is the same thing that happened with TechTV. I don't watch SciFi that much except for the occasional episode of the Twilight Zone or Amazing Stories when they run the originals, so I probably won't really care if they ruin the channel.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:47 AM

Again, who said anything about money?

The poster who questioned my assertion that the change might result in more people watching.

I wholly and completely respect your right as a viewer to like or not like what this change represents... and expect you to respect my right to prefer what this change seems to represent.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:50 AM

Referring back to the OP: I think it is really important to keep in mind that there are many aspects of this name change... and all of these aspects are worthy of discussion. :righton:

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 12:07 PM

Keep your eye on this site to see how different it will be from the existing site:

http://www.syfy.com/

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:10 PM

How is that channel today? I don't even remember ever hearing of Techtv, but I've heard of G4. My initial instinct is that viewership increased from "practically no one watches" to "more than practically no one watches".

I just did a little research. Everything I've read so far seems to back up my impression of that positive trend, at least in terms of share. (They are greatly affected by the challenges facing any channel aiming at that same demographic, that those folks don't watch television as much.) What numbers do you have that shows that G4 is doing substantially worse financially than Techtv did? (Or are you mistakenly projecting your own personal disappointment about the on-air differences you see, related to the switchover, into some crude measurement of lack of success for the switchover?)


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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:11 PM

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:40 PM

Speaking of not taking care of Eureka... is it just me or in the promos for the new episodes does it look like they've re-cast the part of the Sheriff's daughter?

A problem that Dead Zone had was the extreme time between seasons meant actors either had to do nothing and pass up on other work OR take jobs at the risk of losing their role on the main show. This is how some of the main characters from the first season of that show went away or became guests in future episodes.

With Eureka only doing maybe 10 episodes that all air in the summer... that's a long hiatus for an actor to not work on anything else... especially when there are no apparent guarantees that the show will go on beyond the next season on the schedule.

I worry we may soon see some of the better calibre actors not wanting to sign on for these kind of series because it really screws with their ability to find work in the off-season.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:45 PM

I haven't seen an ad for Eureka yet, but a quick check of IMDB lists the same actress who has played Zoe all along. Perhaps she just grew up, changed her hair style and color? (That's always confused me about women in real life ... if it's someone you're only mildly acquainted with and you don't see them for a long time, they're upset the next time you see them don't recognize them! When you go from brunette to blonde, what do you want from me?? :P)

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:49 PM

I've seen Zoe in several commercials for the upcoming season, the one person I'm not seeing much if any is Ever Carradine, Lexi, Carter's sister. I hope she's around this year, I liked her character. There is a new woman on the show, can't remember her name, but she kind of resembles Lexi in previews, but she's got another role.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:55 PM

Maybe I'm just mis-viewing the commercials. I've not heard anyone called by name... but I have seen a different-looking girl. So maybe I just need to pay more attention.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:06 PM

I just saw a Eureka commercial... that's definitely the same actress playing Zoe.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 04:23 AM

Okay, so by that logic, he may not like Syfy as much as he liked Sci Fi, but it could still be a smart move for NBC/U to have made.

It's a name change, and the benefits for NBC/U are several, including, most importantly, the ability to brand assets associated with the channel. What we're speculating about is that the name change can also have the same positive impact that the name change from Techtv to G4 had, in that genericizing the name, making it sound less like it is only for science fiction fans, could open the door to additional viewership currently turned off by the closer association with the term "Sci Fi" itself. That latter benefit is just speculation, though.


Yeah, the branding excuse is a poor one. They could have just gone back to The Scifi Channel.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:15 AM

I think the problem is looking at it as an "excuse". They have their reasons; viewers may not value those reasons, but viewers dismissing a broadcaster's reasons is a bit like a Jew dismissing a Christian's reasons.

Also, I suspect that they would not be able to trade-mark "Scifi", nor would they be able to secure all the necessary domain names if they went with "Scifi".

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 08:15 AM

It's reallt too bad that NBC didn't try to get SciFi to live up to its name. You'd think they would try to score network reruns of SciFI shows (What a concept!). Geez, I go to Spike to see Star Trek. Or HDNET for Enterprise in HD. There's been a run of SciFI type TV shows in the last few years. NBC in general has been lagging in creativity for a while now.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 02:17 PM

I too am disappointed in the trend to show less "SciFi" content on the "SciFi" channel. Maybe the market isn't there for it, I don't know... but it's too bad a "SciFi" channel can't show SciFi, and not the other clearly off-genre stuff that the channel airs.

I've been similarly disappointed as the "Cartoon Network" shows more and more non-cartoon content.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 03:06 PM

^^^ How much in the way of Arts and Entertainment are on A&E? As for cartoons, Boomerang still shows the old ones, but I've even seen other stuff there.

Isn't the science fiction audience one of the largest and most active? Aren't the SciFi conventions among the largest of the entertainment related events after adult and comics and gamers?

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:14 PM

That's true... lots of the genre-named channels seem to be straying. Some have completely reinvented themselves (I often remind people that what we know as SpikeTV today began as The Nashville Network!)

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:36 PM

Likely as a reflection of how serving narrow interests is less profitable than serving broader interests.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:43 PM

It's reallt too bad that NBC didn't try to get SciFi to live up to its name. You'd think they would try to score network reruns of SciFI shows (What a concept!). Geez, I go to Spike to see Star Trek. Or HDNET for Enterprise in HD. There's been a run of SciFI type TV shows in the last few years. NBC in general has been lagging in creativity for a while now.


If I remember correctly, Spike paid through the nose for ST:TNG. If they're going to spend that kind of money, I'd much rather see them do something original (Eureka, BSG, Invisible Man, etc) than put on a tired 20 year old series.
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 06:15 PM

It's reallt too bad that NBC didn't try to get SciFi to live up to its name. You'd think they would try to score network reruns of SciFI shows (What a concept!). Geez, I go to Spike to see Star Trek. Or HDNET for Enterprise in HD. There's been a run of SciFI type TV shows in the last few years. NBC in general has been lagging in creativity for a while now.


ST:TNG is on scifi right now.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:18 PM

Likely as a reflection of how serving narrow interests is less profitable than serving broader interests.


I'm sure that's true... especially depending upon the specific interest.

But some genres you have to wonder. SciFi seems to usually do well at the box office, and there are more than a few SciFi regular series running it seems these days... so you'd think they could find enough for that channel.

I feel the same about the Cartoon Network. Seems like there ought to be more than enough cartoons to pack the lineup... and a lot of people like cartoons.

Frankly, if the Cartoon Network and SciFi channels are essentially failures because those genres can't support a single channel on that theme... then I don't have hope for any other genre channel.

So at some point we end up with 20 USA/TNT type channels... and I don't think we need that many duplicating the same content.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 10:45 PM

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:13 PM

So at some point we end up with 20 USA/TNT type channels... and I don't think we need that many duplicating the same content.


Look at 'Scrubs' and 'That 70's Show'. They're both good shows, but do they really need to be on 4 or 5 different channels?
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:37 PM

I'm sure that's true... especially depending upon the specific interest.

But some genres you have to wonder. SciFi seems to usually do well at the box office, and there are more than a few SciFi regular series running it seems these days... so you'd think they could find enough for that channel.

I feel the same about the Cartoon Network. Seems like there ought to be more than enough cartoons to pack the lineup... and a lot of people like cartoons.

Frankly, if the Cartoon Network and SciFi channels are essentially failures because those genres can't support a single channel on that theme... then I don't have hope for any other genre channel.

So at some point we end up with 20 USA/TNT type channels... and I don't think we need that many duplicating the same content.


Couldn't agree more. With the "Generalization" of channels like Cartoon Network (live action, reality and movies now), DisneyXD (more of the same), G4 (RIP TechTV), Spike TV (Nashville Net for country lovers), the list goes on and on. I want specialty, niche channels. We no longer need these channels that show everything under the sun. That is what network TV is for.

When I want cartoons, I used to go to a channel that said it all: "Cartoon Network". Imagine my surprise when I go there now and see "Nacho Libre", a live action movie with no animation and very little humor, let alone for kids. If I were in to country music and western themed movies and programming, where would I go? The answer is nowhere, because the 1 channel that used to do that is now Spike TV, which shows nothing but reruns like USA network did 25 years ago.

Soon we will be down to 30 channels, all showing the exact same thing. Isn't this why we stopped watching network programming and went to cable, where there were channels for every person and like?

"500 Channels (and nothing much on) was a very ahead of its time song. Looks like we are there now.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:52 PM

I still don't get the "SyFy" bit. To me it doesn't rhyme with SciFi, it reads more like "siffey".


When was the last time MTV or VH1 ran anything close to music? You get some on VH1Classic, but not on the main channel.
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