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The Shame Thread: Just how bad can it get


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#181 OFFLINE   ndole

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:54 AM

Some lovely photo's from a QC I did in Bay City, MI. That's #10 ground wire wrapped in electrical tape to make the mast large enough. :nono2:

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 11:22 AM

That one is definitely deserving of a chargeback.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 12:41 PM

That one is definitely deserving of a chargeback.


Unfortunatly it's become much more difficult to fight for a chargeback since we've become the "new" company.. again.
Although their alternative is actually more attractive, they'd prefer to just fire the guy than to go through a series of chargebacks. ;)
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:01 PM

Unfortunatly it's become much more difficult to fight for a chargeback since we've become the "new" company.. again.
Although their alternative is actually more attractive, they'd prefer to just fire the guy than to go through a series of chargebacks. ;)

To ring the bell again!

For employees only:
Management provides guided practice to new employees during training or acclimation. Performance is monitored as the new employee is exposed to greater responsibilities.

For Contractors only:

A specification is published and bids are taken. The successful bidder is monitored as he presents work for payment per spec.

What has been happening is installations have not been timely inspected and rejected or accepted so crap work has crept into the system. Quality work has been done without payment...so the competent contractors no longer bid the work.

So yes, IF Directv wants to be a new company (again) they need to find the same competent craftsmen who they have screwed over the years and make nice (again).

Joe

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:59 PM

To ring the bell again!

For employees only:
Management provides guided practice to new employees during training or acclimation. Performance is monitored as the new employee is exposed to greater responsibilities.

For Contractors only:

A specification is published and bids are taken. The successful bidder is monitored as he presents work for payment per spec.

What has been happening is installations have not been timely inspected and rejected or accepted so crap work has crept into the system. Quality work has been done without payment...so the competent contractors no longer bid the work.

So yes, IF Directv wants to be a new company (again) they need to find the same competent craftsmen who they have screwed over the years and make nice (again).

Joe


Our company has made a strong effort in the last year to ensure quality installs. There was almost no QA process with the (last) company, or it's predecessor a year before that. The QA's (or QC's if you prefer), were entirely the responsibility of that techs immediate supervisor. So nomatter how awful an install, it was usually never escalated beyond that sup. Now-a-days, we've instituted our service call team, and we're keeping much closer tabs on the hack techs. Making examples like the case above for everyone to see that they are in fact being followed.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:43 PM

Our company has made a strong effort in the last year to ensure quality installs. There was almost no QA process with the (last) company, or it's predecessor a year before that. The QA's (or QC's if you prefer), were entirely the responsibility of that techs immediate supervisor. So nomatter how awful an install, it was usually never escalated beyond that sup. Now-a-days, we've instituted our service call team, and we're keeping much closer tabs on the hack techs. Making examples like the case above for everyone to see that they are in fact being followed.


So you guys will pay to rebuild a crap installation?

Put that into contract form and I can be your guy. Service calls begin at $75.00 and continue for each additional hour at $60.00 until pretty. Ride time is $40,00 per hour.

Some paying customers will have to be disconnected because they were never grounded, connected to a land line phone, had rg59 in their walls or lived in masonry structures that could not be drilled.

Needless to say...all MDU /apartment contracts are going to be disco when found.......no way to ground those puppies per specification.

AND any non compression fittings are replaces @ $1.25 each; never did like them Chinaboy F deals anyway!

Where were we?

Joe

" service call team "...........yeah, right!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 06:07 AM

Joe, ever see the HGTV channel's "Holmes on Homes"? Get them to do a similar program where you fix "crap" installations. Big viewership numbers, I'll bet!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:39 AM

Joe, ever see the HGTV channel's "Holmes on Homes"? Get them to do a similar program where you fix "crap" installations. Big viewership numbers, I'll bet!


Could be fun!

" Today we are at the home of a dissatisfied Directv customer. As you can see the dish is mounted facing into several large trees. Each spring the leaves come out and lower this poor man's signal so he can't watch any shows until the leaves fall off again.
Since we can't move the dish because there is no place to mount it except right where it is we are going to move those trees. This is a surplus recoilless rifle we got from our good buddies at the local national guard. Our sargent friend here has aimed it at the section of that tree on the neighbor's property that has been causing the problem. When we pull this cord. . ."

"Tune in next week when we drain a crap filled crawlspace and then take cables off the side of a trailer to hide the cable eyesore from the other TP residents."

I like it!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:50 AM

D* uses NO BID contracts to the HSP's of their choosing.
(dark dark connections and favor patting is a Must )
If you (and/or your company) have ethical fortitude, they dont want you.

Its the Biggest racket in North America with more lawsuits than can be counted.

The contractors are submitted to ILLEGAL labor law practices and has been documented as such numerous and overbearing times.

D* is the Worst Labor Law violator in this country when figured with their Install RACKET. They claim abstinence as per their PROFIT design due to "contracting out" the installs yet being FULLY aware of the charges AND violations.

As far as these pictures?
You get what you pay for and @ 55/15 (or less) with stipulations and ILEGAL federal law practices that result in Charge backs while being called a contractor yet worked and over worked Under FEDERAL EMPLOYEE statutes.

FYI (forum installers) the Federal Trade commision is currecntly Investigating AGAIN the very way Installations are preformed under Heavy scrutiny concerning Federal Labor Law. (hint HSp boys, the troops ARE coming! And from Direct orders from within the WHite house this time!)

We have watched and had Unions involved for quite some time as a only resort of sorts, only to watch those crooks (HSP's AND the provider) exercise in the millions spent Union Busting Technics while hiring the notorious Wallmart type syndicates & never seen before since the Rail road days of yester year. When you see the HSP's close Down and D* go O&O (owner operated) this is usually (with history) the last attempt at UNION dissolve.
There ARE proofs and testimony concerning ALL of this. (some EX HSp Mgt included). Which reminds me of the occurrence in court in which a HSP representative (ohio) threatened in OPEN COURT the very secretary who worked for them when She told the truth. He was removed forcefully for this action.

Any of you contractors or employees that have been subjected to unfair labor practices need to FILE ss-8's and contact the labor board in your area.
If employee i would consider no matter your thoughts of Unions to find representation in numbers to help stop this ILLEGAL activity.
Federal Overtime Law IS your friend for instance.

Strength comes with numbers and this activity has been on going for many years with many law suits beginning to surface after delay after delay due to "the cronnies" involved in this dark dark racket.
There has been Many "techs" who have rec-ed compensation for the robbery they have been submitted to already and to date.

Short Story:
Mastec:
North Car.

A Union organizer at the said forth shop was surrounded by Vans with union busting firm personnel. He was told if he went to the meeting (AND TO QUOTE).. "son we know your wife is pregnant, if you want insurance to cover it, get back in your car and go home. Just DO your job son!").
I WAS Liason to this action and had the man cry to me.

LAW IS LAW and what this countries blue collar was built on.
STAND UP and BE COUNTED.!

D* has lost ever seasoned tech practically they ever had (see numerous post in this forum as example), you have nothing but KIDS, which by design is refered to "the young and impressionable". (IE: the ones that Know no better and ARE easily ran over - by design!).
So whether with Union involvement, or The FTC investigation(s), until pinned to the wall for good, i expect you guys to see more pictures or installs of thIS caliber. (you get what you pay for and the turn over rates for techs continue to be astronomical). A man called me hear last week, and had worked in excess of 60 hrs @ chump change wages (piece rate), his check was barely over 300$ after all of the Charge backs. No documentation presented, Nothing!. Just robbed and without care. He quit. The company (hand picked Contract company now mind you who pays 55/15). The comapany runs adds all week and repeats these occurrence for PROFIT and the nominal way of D* contracting biz. WHO do they answer to? The will be served next week by a conglomerate that will not stop till Justice IS reached.

Hopefully, The end IS near and as i hear most every contacting firm in this country WILL feel Wrath. We have one in our sights now that will probly be charged criminally numerous times. (florida HERE WE COME!)

So, D* patrons do you support this ILLEGAL activity, or do you care?
Your TV comes from robbery without pistols & contrary to FEDERAL LABOR LAW way more times than not.

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Who cares!
With truth there will never be any substitute!
NONE!

D* and your contractors,
read this and Understand it!
http://www.nytimes.c.../18workers.html

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:55 AM

Propaganda much? :rolleyes:
If you stop responding to them or put them on ignore, then eventually they'll go away.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:36 AM

Propaganda much? :rolleyes:


How many documents you want?
Which Law firm and/or suit?
Which union?
Which rewarded judgment(S) would you like reference too?
Let me know.

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#192 OFFLINE   matt

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:12 PM

Which union?


Doesn't matter, they're all crooked.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:50 PM

Doesn't matter, they're all crooked.


This would be categorized as crooked eh?

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Over the past few years a slew of cases have been filed in federal court alleging that XXXXXXX and its affiliates failed to pay proper overtime compensation to its employees. Most of these are private actions that were either settled out of court or are still pending.

However, the overtime pay problem at the XXXXXXX companies was so serious that even the Bush Administration's Labor Department felt a need to intervene. In January 2008 Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao filed a complaint against XXXXXXX in federal court in XXXXXX alleging that the company repeatedly violated and was still violating federal law requiring the payment of time-and-a-half for workweeks longer than 40 hours. The complaint was dismissed by the Department of Labor voluntarily and its plaintiffs were turned over to the law firms representing XXXXXXX et al. v. XXXXXXX . so that efforts were not duplicated.

Some of the private suits have sought class action status. In one of these cases,XXXXXXX VS XXXXX, Judge XXXXXXXXX of the Eastern District of XXXXX granted a plaintiffs' motion in June 2008 to send opt-in notices to all technicians and installers employed by the company since February 2004. In his order, the judge wrote: "The Court could go on and on through the plentiful submissions of plaintiffs. It is not necessary to do so. The record overwhelms defendant's arguments."

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Who brought forth this case when a vote of 70-o was made for Representation?
Could the Employees/contractors Fight this fight by their selves?
WHO won and who then cowered down?
Their GAME was OVER!

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1.9 million in a single Judgement BACK to the installers was here (midwest suit) after "the company" dropped the appeal when they knew they lost the fight OR were convinced to do so or face serious prosecution.

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Approximately 80 employees will receive money under the settlement; at least four people will receive over $80,000, and one individual’s payment is $84,000
.

Now how long did it take to rob that much from these individuals? :nono2:

This sad but true enough, Common practice to any and all Installs through "the program".
D* continues to claim Abstinence due to "contacting out" as we/they have been submitted to them plenty & plenty of times.
In turn they claim "we can not be responsible" as the constant, yet all the while continuing to support this and these companies with the simple issuance of work/installations..

BTw, this aint George W times... either.. The pace has picked up and multiplied 10 fold over.
FTC ??
SEC? Well ill be quiet.. LOL One of the major HSP's has AND WILL taste the SEC...:lol:

#194 OFFLINE   Doug Brott

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:24 PM

Wow!
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 02:46 PM

D* uses NO BID contracts to the HSP's of their choosing.
(dark dark connections and favor patting is a Must )
If you (and/or your company) have ethical fortitude, they dont want you.

Its the Biggest racket in North America with more lawsuits than can be counted.

The contractors are submitted to ILLEGAL labor law practices and has been documented as such numerous and overbearing times.

D* is the Worst Labor Law violator in this country when figured with their Install RACKET. They claim abstinence as per their PROFIT design due to "contracting out" the installs yet being FULLY aware of the charges AND violations.

As far as these pictures?
You get what you pay for and @ 55/15 (or less) with stipulations and ILEGAL federal law practices that result in Charge backs while being called a contractor yet worked and over worked Under FEDERAL EMPLOYEE statutes.

FYI (forum installers) the Federal Trade commision is currecntly Investigating AGAIN the very way Installations are preformed under Heavy scrutiny concerning Federal Labor Law. (hint HSp boys, the troops ARE coming! And from Direct orders from within the WHite house this time!)

We have watched and had Unions involved for quite some time as a only resort of sorts, only to watch those crooks (HSP's AND the provider) exercise in the millions spent Union Busting Technics while hiring the notorious Wallmart type syndicates & never seen before since the Rail road days of yester year. When you see the HSP's close Down and D* go O&O (owner operated) this is usually (with history) the last attempt at UNION dissolve.
There ARE proofs and testimony concerning ALL of this. (some EX HSp Mgt included). Which reminds me of the occurrence in court in which a HSP representative (ohio) threatened in OPEN COURT the very secretary who worked for them when She told the truth. He was removed forcefully for this action.

Any of you contractors or employees that have been subjected to unfair labor practices need to FILE ss-8's and contact the labor board in your area.
If employee i would consider no matter your thoughts of Unions to find representation in numbers to help stop this ILLEGAL activity.
Federal Overtime Law IS your friend for instance.

Strength comes with numbers and this activity has been on going for many years with many law suits beginning to surface after delay after delay due to "the cronnies" involved in this dark dark racket.
There has been Many "techs" who have rec-ed compensation for the robbery they have been submitted to already and to date.

Short Story:
Mastec:
North Car.

A Union organizer at the said forth shop was surrounded by Vans with union busting firm personnel. He was told if he went to the meeting (AND TO QUOTE).. "son we know your wife is pregnant, if you want insurance to cover it, get back in your car and go home. Just DO your job son!").
I WAS Liason to this action and had the man cry to me.

LAW IS LAW and what this countries blue collar was built on.
STAND UP and BE COUNTED.!

D* has lost ever seasoned tech practically they ever had (see numerous post in this forum as example), you have nothing but KIDS, which by design is refered to "the young and impressionable". (IE: the ones that Know no better and ARE easily ran over - by design!).
So whether with Union involvement, or The FTC investigation(s), until pinned to the wall for good, i expect you guys to see more pictures or installs of thIS caliber. (you get what you pay for and the turn over rates for techs continue to be astronomical). A man called me hear last week, and had worked in excess of 60 hrs @ chump change wages (piece rate), his check was barely over 300$ after all of the Charge backs. No documentation presented, Nothing!. Just robbed and without care. He quit. The company (hand picked Contract company now mind you who pays 55/15). The comapany runs adds all week and repeats these occurrence for PROFIT and the nominal way of D* contracting biz. WHO do they answer to? The will be served next week by a conglomerate that will not stop till Justice IS reached.

Hopefully, The end IS near and as i hear most every contacting firm in this country WILL feel Wrath. We have one in our sights now that will probly be charged criminally numerous times. (florida HERE WE COME!)

So, D* patrons do you support this ILLEGAL activity, or do you care?
Your TV comes from robbery without pistols & contrary to FEDERAL LABOR LAW way more times than not.

-------------


Dont like the post?
Who cares!
With truth there will never be any substitute!
NONE!

D* and your contractors,
read this and Understand it!
http://www.nytimes.c.../18workers.html





Gese. Opened a can of worms I suppose.

As far as O&O goes, we beat the O&O numbers consistantly for two month straight this year under our new procedures.

In response to labor laws, whatever!
I get payed so much/hr, if I go over 40, I get overtime. Big deal. No illegal actions worth investigating there. Butthead.:P
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#196 OFFLINE   Valve1138

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 03:01 PM

I thought this was the thread to see bad installs and have a laugh.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 03:23 PM

D* uses NO BID contracts to the HSP's of their choosing.
(dark dark connections and favor patting is a Must )
If you (and/or your company) have ethical fortitude, they dont want you.

Its the Biggest racket in North America with more lawsuits than can be counted.

The contractors are submitted to ILLEGAL labor law practices and has been documented as such numerous and overbearing times...


<snipped>

...Hopefully, The end IS near and as i hear most every contacting firm in this country WILL feel Wrath. We have one in our sights now that will probly be charged criminally numerous times. (florida HERE WE COME!)

So, D* patrons do you support this ILLEGAL activity, or do you care?
Your TV comes from robbery without pistols & contrary to FEDERAL LABOR LAW way more times than not.

-------------


Dont like the post?
Who cares!
With truth there will never be any substitute!
NONE!

D* and your contractors,
read this and Understand it!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/business/18workers.html


Gee, tell us how you really feel... :eek2:

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 03:29 PM

Sounds like a manifesto . . . :lol:

Okay, enough ranting for the day. Let's see more lousy/scary/terrible installation pics and stories!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 03:34 PM

I'll keep my camera on hand!
No worries, I'll come up with some more!
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 07:45 PM

I love D* !
They are the best company and provider in the world!

Their Biz ethics are unmatched and Biblical !

I would pay 300 a month for this service.

I want another 2 year contract NOW!

Uhhhh...
John Malone for President!

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