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#26 OFFLINE   dubber deux

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 06:24 PM

MTV has "AMTV" & VH1 has "Jumpstart" in the mornings....arent those video shows ?



They are a smidgen of the daypart.


Get back to me when they play vids at least half of the daypart.:hurah:

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 07:04 PM

I'll admit, I'm not in MTV's 13-24 target demographic, but I think I fit well within that of VH-1 and VH-1 Classics. Those channels used to show mostly music videos and concerts, etc. But now even those channels are mostly "original"/reality programming. Fuse used to be quite good, with a fairly diverse mix of music, but lately it seems to be more rap/hip-hop stuff.
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Posted 19 April 2009 - 07:46 PM

I believe they should change MTV to RTV (Reality TeleVision) and VH1 to RH1 (Reality Hits 1), seems that's all they show now anyways!:nono2:

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 12:56 AM

MTV has "AMTV" & VH1 has "Jumpstart" in the mornings....arent those video shows ?


MTV has started playing videos again, in the mornings. I read an article about it, about a month ago.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 01:12 AM

Video killed the radio star.

Reality shows killed video.

Reality shows kill reality shows., and probably television viewing.


Old School Jeff, who misses the "radio star" days


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#31 OFFLINE   ramcm7

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 08:53 AM

You can get most music videos on youtube.

BTW, MTV truly died when they canceled Beavis and Butthead.


Perhaps some brass at Viacom got offended at the idea of people sitting around making fun of the videos they were showing. At least people were watching them. Does anyone have access to ratings numbers of video shows ersus non-video shows on these networks? Sure, maybe kids don't sit around all day and watch music videos, especially when they can go and find exactly the ones they want to watch on youtube. I just think there is probably room for a little more video playing in prime-time hours. I would think programming costs would be a lot better for just playing videos than producing your own show.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 09:46 AM

Sadly, that's part of the HD Extra pack, an extra $5 or $6 a month.



Sorry, that's beyond your budget :lol:

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 09:17 AM

You can get most music videos on youtube.

BTW, MTV truly died when they canceled Beavis and Butthead.


Beavis and Butthead is what RUINED MTV. When that was successful, they slowly started playing less music and had more types of other programming. Once Real World became a huge hit, that was the death knel for music completely.

Music videos are still made, but I think the main outlet for them is now online. Pretty much any web portal, You Tube, the music industry sites and places like Facebook have them available. There really is no need for them on TV any longer. Paladium (the HD music channel) is awesome, but they rotate in the same concerts over and over.

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 09:24 AM

MTV not showing their original format is pretty much how ALL the old niche channels have gone. A&E used to play arty stuff and biographies, now they play reruns of cop shows and the Sopranos. Discovery was all science related shows, and now they have some movies, same with History and Travel, that don't strictly follow their original formats. Like pretty much any TV these days, the execs are finding that they can produce reality shows or bring in syndicated reruns cheaper than to produce anything original. It's probably cheaper for MTV to produce those types of shows than to actually bring in music videos or show concerts.

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 12:23 PM

Beavis and Butthead is what RUINED MTV.


Long before B&B, there were shows like Remote Control on MTV that really didn't need to be there, but didn't "ruin" MTV. And B&B at least played some music videos.

No, it was The Real World, the first successful "reality show" that really changed MTV. It set the pattern for what we have today.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 11:56 AM

I remember a few distinct things as a kid. The Dire Straits video on MTV being played over and over again. I remember the world event of the premier of Michael Jackson's Thriller video. The hype on that video was unreal. Now......I'm not even sure that MTV plays video's anymore?

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 03:59 PM

I'm not even sure that MTV plays video's anymore?


But i am sure your not reading this thread as its already been mentioned that MTV does still play videos.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:30 PM

I love that folks mention MTV Networks channels that D* doesnt have and probably never will.
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Posted 23 April 2009 - 06:50 PM

Yes, there are brief points during the day that MTV shows videos (mainly overnight and early morning.) My main point was that even with four MTV/VH1 nets, most of the time all four are showing reality stuff instead of music. You'd think they could do a better job of cross programming the nets and offer a little variety. VH1/VH1C used to be mostly music-related programming, but now even those channels are full of non-music stuff.

Heck, at this point I'd settle for watching Milli-Vanilli Behind the Music again. ;)
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Posted 23 April 2009 - 09:39 PM

We had an attorney from MTV Networks come and speak at my office last year. He said everywhere he goes, when it comes out he works for MTV, people jump down his throat.. "WHERE'S THE MUSIC VIDEOS?!?!" His answer was simply that kids (to whom videos are predominantly marketed) are no longer willing to wait for their favorite video to come up on a TV show... Instead they get the videos on-demand from YouTube or Yahoo Music and stream it to whatever they want to watch it on.

Plus, music video budgets are WAY down since the music industry is hardly profitable anymore... The first thing to get cut was video budgets... So it doesn't make for compelling TV like it did in the 90's.

Not saying I agree... Just saying that was the case he made.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:26 AM

We had an attorney from MTV Networks come and speak at my office last year. He said everywhere he goes, when it comes out he works for MTV, people jump down his throat.. "WHERE'S THE MUSIC VIDEOS?!?!" His answer was simply that kids (to whom videos are predominantly marketed) are no longer willing to wait for their favorite video to come up on a TV show... Instead they get the videos on-demand from YouTube or Yahoo Music and stream it to whatever they want to watch it on.

Plus, music video budgets are WAY down since the music industry is hardly profitable anymore... The first thing to get cut was video budgets... So it doesn't make for compelling TV like it did in the 90's.

Not saying I agree... Just saying that was the case he made.


Makes sense. Why load a station with music videos.....no one is going to sit through endless commercials and other music videos just to wait for the one video they really want to see. Not when they can pull the music video on the internet instantly.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:23 PM

MTV has "AMTV" & VH1 has "Jumpstart" in the mornings....arent those video shows ?


Jump Start is pretty lame. It's mainly the same stuff that's on MTV Hits and MTVU, more rap and pop oriented, and a strange mix of old stuff (like a Beyonce hit from 4 years ago, then maybe Nickelback, then something ghetto, then an annoying American Idol winner song that is played to death (on FM)). Same stuff that's on FM. Also within that 4 hour loop, videos are repeated. I think its targeted for people on treadmills who at most tune in for 15 minutes.

VH1 used to air "Fresh" a one hour show that would precede it at 5am, and then again at 10am (EST). It would air more alternative, rnb and better pop ...Id find Sara Barailles, Natasha Bedingfield, Rachael Yamagata videos and the videos seemed to fit together better even if different genres. and it would be mostly NEW stuff at the time. It wasn't great but it was something. However as of last year, VH1 cancelled it!:mad: VH1's website indicates that it still airs on SAT at 9am, but I didn't find it last time I checked.
http://www.vh1.com/s...ies_about.jhtml

Another one like VH1 Classic that's gone is ,The Tube, which would air on local stations, on the digital subchannels.

However, I find stuff now on MusicChoice but its not video. MusicChoice, on Comcast and Fios, however has some music/artist info on the background which is nice. I haven't checked Fuse but given that its a basic cable thing, I wouldnt have high expectations.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:34 PM

Yes, there are brief points during the day that MTV shows videos (mainly overnight and early morning.) My main point was that even with four MTV/VH1 nets, most of the time all four are showing reality stuff instead of music. You'd think they could do a better job of cross programming the nets and offer a little variety. VH1/VH1C used to be mostly music-related programming, but now even those channels are full of non-music stuff.

Heck, at this point I'd settle for watching Milli-Vanilli Behind the Music again. ;)


My cousin watches the reality shows on MTV. I do notice though that pop music is aired during the show (for a min at most) at different points - like ending credits. But its not in the way Scrubs or The OC does it, where its to plug some indy music. It's mostly heard of familiar stuff that plays on the radio. I suppose this it what makes it tie back to MTV being about music.

Edited by rnbmusicfan, 24 April 2009 - 02:39 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:14 AM

Even if the traditional, old-school music vide format is no longer the programming draw it used to be, there are plenty of ways MTV/VH1 could develop programming that would stay true to the music genre. They could do band profiles, making-of/behind the scenes sorts of shows, tour specials, bring back MTV Unplugged, etc.

I don't know, maybe all that would sound really boring to 15 year olds, but then again, they made High School Musical a hit.
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