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#1 OFFLINE   millertime

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:02 PM

This tv outputs at 1080p/60 I know i can't get D*s 1080p/24 I am thinking about getting a blu ray player and I want to know if its worth it. Is the quality going to be that much better than watching my current dvd's with a progressive scan? Also with it only being able to output 60 will there be bars on the top and bottom with the sony s350 blu ray? Basically I want to know if 1080p/60 is going to be noticeably better than 1080i if that makes any sense:)

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:08 PM

After calling Sony about my XBR2 [1080p/60] the Blu-Ray players will output 1080p/60 for your TV.
Don't have a Blu-Ray, but YES much better the DVD
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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:09 PM

Yes, 1080p will be better.

Black bars have nothing to do with resolution, they're a product of aspect ration. Since HD displays are 16:9, any movie that you watch that's in a different aspect ratio will have black bars somewhere.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:49 PM

...I am thinking about getting a blu ray player and I want to know if its worth it. Is the quality going to be that much better than watching my current dvd's with a progressive scan?...

Blu-Ray is sharper than progressive scan DVD because Blu is HD and DVD progressive is not (1920x1080 resolution always trumps 720x480 resolution). If sharper is better, then Blu is better. I think the difference will be noticeable to you, and therefore worth the move.

As for 1080p, well...

First of all, 1080p/60 as a display format and resolution (which is what your TV does natively to display every source format and resolution) is not at all the same as and not to be confused with 1080p/60 as a source format and resolution. 1080p/60 as a display resolution has advantages over 768p and 720p as well as 480i/p, in that it again is sharper than they are. But it does not imply the benefits of content from a 1080p/60 source, which is more fps displayed and better horizontal resolution on motion than 1080i, combined with potentially better H and V res than 720p. 1080p/60 as a source has the benefits of both 720p and 1080i, without the disadvantages of either, making it slightly better than either, but these are benefits that are again, not implied by the display resolution. IOW, a 1080p/60 TV has potential benefits in clarity over a 720p or 768p TV, but does not have the incremental benefits that 1080p/60 content has over 1080i/30, 1080p/24, or 720p/60 content.

1080p/24 falls somewhere in between 1080i and 720p, in that it has fewer motion artifacts (judder) than either 720p or 1080i for content acquired at 24 fps, but a frame rate less than either (important on all other content which is acquired at 30 or 60 fps), which implies more motion artifacts of a different kind.

1080p/24 would seem to be the best choice as a format for movies or filmed drama, while 720p/60 may be best for sports and 1080i/30 may be best for sitcoms and talking heads. But they are all very fine variations of a theme. If you can't see the difference between 1080i and 720p source material (and they are virtually the same, perceptually) and I've yet to find anyone who can identify either on sight, it stands that you likely will not see the difference between 1080p/24, 1080i/30, or 720p/60.

1080p/60 (content), being better incrementally than all three above, may not even be visibly better except to those who are told that they should "clearly" be able to see that it is better (classic placebo effect) by the inevitable hype, so while there is a huge distinguishable difference between SD and any flavor of HD (including between progressive DVD and Blu), all flavors of HD are pretty much the same.

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 08:09 AM

So in theory 1080p/60 is equal to 1080i or is the 1080p/60 going to be better. I currently have everything set to 1080i and have been impressed. Is it possible I will be even more impressed when I get this blu ray and watch a movie in 1080p/60?

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 08:53 AM

So in theory 1080p/60 is equal to 1080i or is the 1080p/60 going to be better. I currently have everything set to 1080i and have been impressed. Is it possible I will be even more impressed when I get this blu ray and watch a movie in 1080p/60?

Blu-Ray simply has more "bits" to define the picture verses 1080i. More data means better PQ.
I see a better PQ with the PPV 1080p/24 from DirecTV, which my receiver then converts to 1080i for my TV.
The Blu-Ray player will "pad" the 1080p/24 converting it to 1080p/60 for your TV. The chips in the DirecTV receivers can't do this.
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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:38 AM

millertime,

I have an A2000 and S350 blu-ray player. DVD's look great and blu-rays look even better. DirecTV 1080p/24 looks fantastic, even though it's converted to 1080i as VOS said. All that being said, 24 versus 60 is over-hyped IMO. The difference is negligible. You'll probably only notice that pans are smoother in 24. You will, however, notice a difference between upconverted DVD and blu-ray. Is it night and day? I don't think so. I still rent DVD's most of the time because they are much cheaper, more widely available and still look great, although I treat myself to blu-ray now and then.

I wouldn't pay $300 for a blu-ray player. I got my S350 for $150 thru a sony credit card promo on their website. That's about what it's worth. IMO, there are better players out there, depending on your budget. The new S360 decodes more HD soundtracks. Both the 350 and 360 lack slow-mo and frame advance. Some samsung players even stream netflix (probably better than HR2x's can, and without a computer).

All in all, I'd still say go for the 350 if the price is right. Since the 360 is out now, the deals on the 350 will just get better. I'm happy with mine, and the picture quality is excellent.

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 02:19 PM

All that being said, 24 versus 60 is over-hyped IMO. The difference is negligible. You'll probably only notice that pans are smoother in 24. You will, however, notice a difference between upconverted DVD and blu-ray. Is it night and day? I don't think so.


I would agree with the 1080p/24 part. As for the other, the thing I like best about BDs is depth. A lot of my BD movies look almost 3-D compared to their DVD counterparts.

Note that the differences between DVD and BD become more apparent as screen sizes increase. I have the KDS-60A3000 and sit about seven feet from it, so 1080p has definite advantages.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 12:58 PM

Thanks for all your input!

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 01:29 PM

All that being said, 24 versus 60 is over-hyped IMO. The difference is negligible. You'll probably only notice that pans are smoother in 24.


i would disagree on the negligible difference with this point though:

have a sony 1080p24 120hz with "motionflow" & it does gives movies a smoother flow so they have more of a "real" look to them more like your looking out a window rather than just watching a film.....but probably 80% of people dont like it because they want a movie to look like a movie ?

again its a matter of opinion but i like it.

but yea big difference between dvd vs blu-ray even on a 60....even an older movie like "Halloween" it was like i was watching it for the 1st time on blu-ray as opposed to the "blurry" dvd.

Edited by dcowboy7, 20 April 2009 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2009 - 02:31 PM

have a sony 1080p24 120hz with "motionflow" & it does gives movies a smoother flow so they have more of a "real" look to them more like your looking out a window rather than just watching a film.....but probably 80% of people dont like it because they want a movie to look like a movie ?


The last part is the common opinion. The motion features of the set add interpolated frames. I played with all of the motion features after I got my set, but finally turned them off for the reason you stated.





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