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#76 OFFLINE   Jeremy W

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 10:09 PM

Sorry, but that too is STEALING.

How's the weather up there on your high horse?

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#77 OFFLINE   Tom Servo

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 01:11 AM

Yes technically it's stealing but again I reference everyone to the fact that the OP claims the house was abandoned for about six years. SIX YEARS! That's pretty awful that someone could leave property abandoned that long.

Would you all be arguing over this if he'd gone over and cut the grass and trimmed the shrubs? That's also technically illegal too, but dang if it wouldn't help property values in the area.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:53 AM

Would you all be arguing over this if he'd gone over and cut the grass and trimmed the shrubs? That's also technically illegal too, but dang if it wouldn't help property values in the area.

And stealing the dish would 'help property values' in the area? Now we are really reaching.

I too am surprised at some in this thread who chose to move the line (rationalize) just enough to say it is not stealing when you take something that doesn't belong to you.

To one it seems that if you steal a nickle from a millionaire it is not stealing.

If you are not caught - is it stealing??? Take a ream of paper per month if it is not.

I wonder if this is how Bernie Madoff got his start.......... "No one will ever know..."

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#79 OFFLINE   Jeremy W

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:56 AM

I wonder if this is how Bernie Madoff got his start.......... "No one will ever know..."

Yep. Taking a dish off an abandoned house is pretty much exactly the same as defrauding people out of billions of dollars. I can barely even see any differences.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 08:12 AM

Yep. Taking a dish off an abandoned house is pretty much exactly the same as defrauding people out of billions of dollars. I can barely even see any differences.

I said he started small ("I wonder if this is how Bernie Madoff got his start"). I was referring to his mindset - "These people will never know - or miss it". He started by taking small amounts from the rich.

No, defrauding people out of billions is not the same as taking a ream of paper or a $75 dish - but 2 or 3 wrongs do not make a right........

That's my point. It's just never the right thing to do.

I'm just surprised at some who figure out a way to justify taking something that does not belong to them.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:05 AM

Yes it does... If you want it protected, you have to by the PP... or insurance.. same thing as a car...

I think your making the difference based on the values of the property involved...


No, the equipment from DirecTV is in place in order to buy a service which is the predominant piece of the business relationship with DirecTV.

Owning or leasing a car is not the same type of relationship whatsoever.

The Protection Plan does not cover this type of issue...and generally it falls under any home insurance deductible. This leaves the subscriber with only one option paying for replacements and repairs out of pocket...oh and the only source for those replacement parts is DirecTV.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 11:10 AM

Wow! just Wow! I can't believe this thread. I also can't believe the justifications some people use to feel better about theft.

I'm also wondering. Was the dish mounted on the roof? If if was did the thief make sure there was no way water could penetrate the roof? Something as innocuous as taking a dish off could turn into quite a huge problem if said roof/decking and homes interior needs replaced. Especially is a home where leaking water would go unnoticed for quite a while.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 03:16 AM

Wow! just Wow! I can't believe this thread. I also can't believe the justifications some people use to feel better about theft.

I'm also wondering. Was the dish mounted on the roof? If if was did the thief make sure there was no way water could penetrate the roof? Something as innocuous as taking a dish off could turn into quite a huge problem if said roof/decking and homes interior needs replaced. Especially is a home where leaking water would go unnoticed for quite a while.

That's a good point. Taking a dish off a roof could cause a whole boatload of trouble on down the road. But taking on off the pole is just merely wrong.

And for the record, I've never said it was the right thing to do, but I understand the logic (wrong tho it may be) that the OP saw in taking something from an abanonded property.

This has been, if nothing else, an interesting insight into the moral relativism of the actions. There are the people who believe wrong is wrong no matter how small the action and the ones who believe that taking something is wrong only if someone will miss it. (A dish from an abanonded house won't be missed, a millionaire won't miss a nickel, et cætera.)

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 08:27 AM

"Integrity is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught." ~J.C. Watts

"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters." ~Alan Simpson

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"The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out." ~Thomas Babington Macaulay

"The only correct actions are those that demand no explanation and no apology." ~Red Auerbach

"I forgot that every little action of the common day makes or unmakes character, and that therefore what one has done in the secret chamber one has some day to cry aloud on the house-tops." ~Oscar Wilde

"You can't learn too soon that the most useful thing about a principle is that it can always be sacrificed to expediency." ~Somerset Maugham

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 08:43 AM

Because they want to keep receiving $75+ from me every month. That's been my position all along, and it has worked out. I can understand why DirecTV would want to charge, but I always refuse to pay for anything. If they value my business, they'll do it for free. And they always have.



This.

All these people are getting self-righteous about a 10-year customer expecting the same sort of favors brand new customers get. Cell phone companies and DBS providers are horrible about taking their existing customers for granted. DirecTV is one of the best, admittedly, but I agree with Jeremy W... if they value my business, they'll do it for free.
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 09:12 AM

This has been, if nothing else, an interesting insight into the moral relativism of the actions. There are the people who believe wrong is wrong no matter how small the action and the ones who believe that taking something is wrong only if someone will miss it.

And then there were the people who had no interest in supporting or attacking the sanctimony of the moralists here, but saw a possibly interesting legal principle involved.
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Posted 16 May 2009 - 05:30 PM

I just think it goes to show you how it is becomming increasingly difficult and nearly impossible for different groups of people to co exist in close proximity to each other. If anothers morals (what defines stealing for eg) are so completely different from mine, than I just don't see it working in the long run.

Not to long ago for the majority of the population, STEALING was STEALING, whether from a millionaire or a pauper it ain't right. Period.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 05:45 PM

If anothers morals (what defines stealing for eg) are so completely different from mine, than I just don't see it working in the long run.

This just shows that the problem lies with you. I'm not saying you need to change your morals, but you need to understand that the world isn't as black and white as you seem to want it to be. It's people like you who live on your high horses and believe your opinions to be infallible that create the problems.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 06:16 PM

This just shows that the problem lies with you.


I say the problem lies with you, and folks that think like you do. Let's agree to disagree.

I'm not saying you need to change your morals,


Of course I don't, even you know that stealing IS stealing you just care to ignore that fact.

but you need to understand that the world isn't as black and white as you seem to want it to be.


There are "moral imperatives" and biblical laws that are black and white. You obviously don't agree.

As such we will need to agree to disagree.


It's people like you who live on your high horses and believe your opinions to be infallible that create the problems.


"Thou shall not steal." Is not MY "opinion." ;)

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 06:19 PM

This just shows that the problem lies with you. I'm not saying you need to change your morals, but you need to understand that the world isn't as black and white as you seem to want it to be. It's people like you who live on your high horses and believe your opinions to be infallible that create the problems.


Spoken like a true Detroiter.......:lol:

The problem is not him or you, its in the coexistence of both ideas which as can be seen here doesn't work.

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 06:09 PM

The OP went to a vacant house and took something that wasn't his, Not sure what laws everyone else lives under, but that can get you arrested in my part of the world.

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 06:43 PM

Let's just say that this thread has run it's course and call it done.




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