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Will Digital Switch Leave Some Behind?


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#21 OFFLINE   Mark Holtz

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 08:17 AM

At this point, it will take a court order to halt the digital transition. I don't believe that that will happen.
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 08:30 AM

At this point, it will take a court order to halt the digital transition. I don't believe that that will happen.


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Posted 27 May 2009 - 12:49 PM

At this point, it will take a court order to halt the digital transition. I don't believe that that will happen.


That's not correct. The last delay happened per Congressional action - legislation. There's nothing to stop Congress from acting again. Granted, court action COULD cause a delay without having Congress act, but that's not the only way it could be halted/delayed. And it's far from the most likely way.

I was hopeful that this wouldn't raise its ugly head again. Going into February you couldn't get away from the 'horror' stories about how some of the elderly may miss Wheel of Fortune. Until REALLY recently I haven't seen any of those stories this time around. That got me hopeful that the media would focus their attention on stuff that's actually important, and hold off on getting people spun up about something that, I think, will largely be a total non-event.

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 01:06 PM

That's not correct. The last delay happened per Congressional action - legislation. There's nothing to stop Congress from acting again. Granted, court action COULD cause a delay without having Congress act, but that's not the only way it could be halted/delayed. And it's far from the most likely way.

I was hopeful that this wouldn't raise its ugly head again. Going into February you couldn't get away from the 'horror' stories about how some of the elderly may miss Wheel of Fortune. Until REALLY recently I haven't seen any of those stories this time around. That got me hopeful that the media would focus their attention on stuff that's actually important, and hold off on getting people spun up about something that, I think, will largely be a total non-event.


I saw a number somewhere which stated 42% of the stations have already converted. While the last delay may have been 11th hour, they were discussing it prior to that not to mention congress tried to rush it through once and failed. I don't hear the rumbling this time so I am pretty confident this one will happen.

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 01:19 PM

Instead of moaning and whining about their tv's going dark, a lot of seniors or not, how about skipping a week of dropping $50-$100 on lottery or Atlantic City slots or $7 a pack for cigarettes and buying a converter box. I see it all the time at the lottery counter. Personally, I don't play the lottery. I have no sympathy for these folks. I'm sure Mr. Vernon disagrees.

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 01:28 PM

Instead of moaning and whining about their tv's going dark, a lot of seniors or not, how about skipping a week of dropping $50-$100 on lottery or Atlantic City slots or $7 a pack for cigarettes and buying a converter box. I see it all the time at the lottery counter. Personally, I don't play the lottery. I have no sympathy for these folks. I'm sure Mr. Vernon disagrees.


Actually, why would you think I would disagree?

While I do have sympathy for people who are actually in need of assistance... by and large, those are not the people we are talking about in this thread..

Most of the people who are "worried" over for lack of a converter seem to me to be folks who already have the means to do this themselves OR pay for someone to do it.

My gripe has been consistent lack of worry or offer of assistance for the people truly in need of things.

I agree, there are people who could make minor adjustments to their budget and easily afford the $40 converter box.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 10:29 PM

I really believe that the majority of people who are not prepared for the switchover still think that it does not apply to them. That somehow they will "see" the digital signals on their TV because the station is going to do it for them.Or something similar to that idea. I don't think that it is a matter of cost anymore.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 11:46 AM

I saw a number somewhere which stated 42% of the stations have already converted. While the last delay may have been 11th hour, they were discussing it prior to that not to mention congress tried to rush it through once and failed. I don't hear the rumbling this time so I am pretty confident this one will happen.

Agreed. It still COULD happen in theory, but I'm not hearing as much blustering in the halls of Congress this time -- and as I mentioned earlier, they can't use the "broke" coupon program to justify another delay. Plus, I don't think the stations are too keen on keeping the power going for two different signals for a few more months -- especially if the analog shutdown allows them to shut off a costly UHF signal.

I also think there's an increasing acceptance that no matter how much we delay, there will always be some people who will fail to prepare and adjust until they lose their picture.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 01:15 PM

Before we go blaming seniors, we should look closer at the data. As a group the seniors have been the most prepared group for a very long time.

http://blog.nielsen....tal-television/

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:17 PM

Frys has digital converters for $4.95 with the government $40 coupon.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:49 PM

Before we go blaming seniors, we should look closer at the data. As a group the seniors have been the most prepared group for a very long time.

http://blog.nielsen....tal-television/

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Absolutely - the people MOST unprepared are the 18-30 somethings - the group actually most able to repidly deal with it when analog shuts off. The older the household - the more likely they are ready for this to happen.

Myself - I got my mother-in-law (she's OTA only) in the queue EARLY for her coupons, and explained to MY Mom that since she is on cable - she's fine (she thought she might need some CECBs).
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:57 PM

It's going to leave me behind and that has nothing to do with my state of readiness. I have two ATSC televisions but there are no digital signals here in the Pocono Mountains of NE Pa. My weak but viewable analogs from New York and Philadelphia will be gone.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 03:02 PM

It's going to leave me behind and that has nothing to do with my state of readiness. I have two ATSC televisions but there are no digital signals here in the Pocono Mountains of NE Pa. My weak but viewable analogs from New York and Philadelphia will be gone.

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Is there any chance your stations will be able to go higher power after all the transition is done?

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 04:48 PM

It depends what happens after the analogs shut down. Some stations may try to get FCC approval for minor changes (such as power output) based upon what happens. I would say this probably only pertains to stations changing channels after June 12th.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 04:52 PM

It depends what happens after the analogs shut down. Some stations may try to get FCC approval for minor changes (such as power output) based upon what happens. I would say this probably only pertains to stations changing channels after June 12th.

And there are stations who right now can't broadcast their full digital strength until the analogs they might interfere shutdown. So I have some, limited hope for HIPAR.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 04:58 PM

The people that aren't ready now are the same people that weren't ready before. The transition itself is what needed to be done to get everybody on board that was missing. Therefore, the delay should have never happened.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 05:46 PM

I am a DirecTV installer, and in the last few weeks have had customers who actually bought the digital boxes. In three different cases, the customers told me the boxes worked fine for a while, then quit completely, and wouldn't power up. The digital boxes in question were all made in China.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:10 PM

And there are stations who right now can't broadcast their full digital strength until the analogs they might interfere shutdown. So I have some, limited hope for HIPAR.

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I realize this so it's not like I won't give it a try after the DTV transition.

This is a dead area as confirmed by TVFool.com. The translators are directional towards Stroudsburg. I receive no UHF here but do get snowy VHF analogs which will mostly be going away.

The one interesting experiment will be WVPI Philadelphia about 80 miles to the south. It will be using channel 6. Everyone contends VHF Lo is useless for DTV.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 09:34 AM

HIPAR -- The FCC has market-by-market DTV coverage maps ( click here for list) which show where they expect households to gain and lose reception following the conversion. Because a lot of stations are changing power, and in some cases transmitter location, inability to receive a strong analog signal does not mean you won't receive a digital signal.

So depending on where you are in the Poconos, you might find you can get reception from Philadelphia (including Philadelphia market stations broadcast from Allentown) or New York. Also check the Wilkes Barre - Scranton market, as most stations there will have much stronger signals to the south.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 11:08 AM

I realize this so it's not like I won't give it a try after the DTV transition.

This is a dead area as confirmed by TVFool.com. The translators are directional towards Stroudsburg. I receive no UHF here but do get snowy VHF analogs which will mostly be going away.

The one interesting experiment will be WVPI Philadelphia about 80 miles to the south. It will be using channel 6. Everyone contends VHF Lo is useless for DTV.

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Yep, I am expecting to lose WPVI-DT in a few weeks since they're moving back to channel 6.

And probably 90% of those who weren't ready in Feb still aren't ready. The delay simply wasn't needed.
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