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TiVo vs EchoStar: Echostar found to be in Contempt


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#2001 OFFLINE   jacmyoung

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 06:27 PM

You said that the jury's verdicts were wrong. I stated that the rulings were overturned because the CAFC ruled that the judge made an error; they did not say the jury made a mistake.


In fact the appeals court overturned the jury's hardware claims because the jury's verdicts were wrong, if you read the appeals court decision carefully. Though in the end it blamed Judge Folsom's wrong instructions for the jury to reach the wrong verdicts.

Nothing I have written could be considered colorful, just the facts.


"This is why many of your acrobatic leaps in logic are flawed."

The above statement is a generalized opinion, not a fact, you don't even know the difference between a fact and an opinion? Now I can show you many more flawed statements said by you and your TiVo folks, but that is never useful in determining whether the next statement is correct or not. Whether the next statement/opinion is correct or not will be soley based on the facts related specifically to that statement.

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#2002 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 06:37 PM

The patent runs out in 2018?

Where can I easily find more info on this?


Which will end first, the patent or the legal battle?

(My money is on the patent ending first.)

#2003 OFFLINE   Michael P

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 07:34 PM

Given that a jury, several busloads of judges, and the Supreme Court said that TiVo won, is there any reason to go over it again just for you or can you look it up?


I go cross-eyed trying to "look it up". Too much mumbo-jumbo for a layman to understand. Can't anybody just state the facts in plain terms here?
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#2004 OFFLINE   Curtis52

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 08:25 PM

I go cross-eyed trying to "look it up". Too much mumbo-jumbo for a layman to understand. Can't anybody just state the facts in plain terms here?

Well, since it took a jury, several busloads of judges, and the Supreme Court to figure it out, I'm not sure what plain terms there are except that TiVo won. Perhaps if there was a focused cogent question...

#2005 OFFLINE   jacmyoung

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 10:21 PM

...I still cannot understand how Tivo won anything in this case. This thread is so full of legalese that the "mere mortals" cannot understand...


Curtis, while his question was not focused, his confusion is well within reason, because as much as you want to emphasize that TiVo had won, the reality does not seem to support such simple statement.

E* never really lost any useful DVRs, the court continues to allow them to be used, E* had logged two quarters of large sub additions, DISH investors just received a $2 dividend at the end of last year, and Dish stock is near its 52-week high.

TiVo in the same period lost 1/3 of its sub base, has yet made a profit except when E* deposited that $103M two years ago, and its stock is still stuck at $10, more importantly many TiVo investors are not happy.

So yes, his confusion is well found, but I am sure you can clear it all up for him in one clear sentence:) I know I can't.

#2006 OFFLINE   Curtis52

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 10:12 AM

TiVo won appeal. New thread started.

#2007 OFFLINE   Lake Lover

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:47 PM

TIVo got the deccision! TiVo stock is currently up over 50%!!!

#2008 OFFLINE   Lake Lover

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:48 PM

Time for me to sell 10,000 shares. I will keep 5,000 as a speculation.

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:52 PM

I Can't find the new thread? url please

#2010 OFFLINE   phrelin

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 01:17 PM

TiVo vs. Dish: TiVo won appeal

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#2011 OFFLINE   phrelin

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 01:19 PM

Well, we did get over 2,000 posts on this thread.:sure: ;)

A moderator needs to lock it.

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#2012 OFFLINE   Stuart Sweet

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 01:19 PM

So noted.
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