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#2821 OFFLINE   jagrim

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:05 PM

OK, I think that I'm ready to add an external HD to my HR21-700 (yes, I know that it is old but I'm not ready yet to jump to an HR44).
I'm looking at a Vantec (NST-380SU3-BK) enclosure and a WD AV-GP 2 TB (WD20EURS) hard drive.
First, after reading several pages of posts here I haven’t found any information that would preclude me from adding this to the HR21 and second, if the internal hard drive on the HR21 is beginning to fail (I’m seeing occasional freezing and stuttering on recorded content) will it affect the use of the external drive if the internal drive fails completely?

Thanks for all of the help.

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#2822 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 08:13 AM

Does anyone know if the Sans Digital MR2UT+ raid enclosure will support 4TB drives?

 

If it's the USB 3.0 version it should.  I'm using 3TB drives in mine and 4TB support generally goes hand in hand with 3TB support.  


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#2823 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 11:54 AM

OK, I think that I'm ready to add an external HD to my HR21-700 (yes, I know that it is old but I'm not ready yet to jump to an HR44).

I'm looking at a Vantec (NST-380SU3-BK) enclosure and a WD AV-GP 2 TB (WD20EURS) hard drive.

First, after reading several pages of posts here I haven’t found any information that would preclude me from adding this to the HR21 and second, if the internal hard drive on the HR21 is beginning to fail (I’m seeing occasional freezing and stuttering on recorded content) will it affect the use of the external drive if the internal drive fails completely?

Thanks for all of the help.

Dan

 

You can solve the internal HDD problem with an external drive, but my memory tells me that people have posted with problems with the Vantecs.  I'd go with a Thermaltake docking station.  There are problems with them, but I think you'd be better off.  Here's a link.

 

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:03 AM

Fixing to start recording OTA with the Genie so I feel I better add some space. 

 

Was thinking 2TB, and I see the thermaltake dock still seems to be working well.

 

Also considering a RAID setup so I dont have to worry, just wondering how everyone would recommend setting that up?

 

Also on drives, ive seen a lot of Tivo guys lately using Red drives, just curious as to why. I know green and av-gp are options as well.


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#2825 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 02:13 PM

I am using a 4tb red drive. They are also meant for heavy 24/7 usage. And the bigger the drive the better.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 02:56 PM

Thats what I was wondering. Red seems to get good comments for high usage drives.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 03:21 PM

I am using a 4tb red drive. They are also meant for heavy 24/7 usage. And the bigger the drive the better.

 

 

Thats what I was wondering. Red seems to get good comments for high usage drives.

Could you guys please share some links?


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#2828 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

Mobile right now but if you go to western digitalis website and look up the specs on their red drives you'll find they are all about server level performs and always running. And they are Eco ish as I recall as well.

Mine is silent and running perfect since August now.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 04:04 PM

This link has the 2TB model.  The price goes up as the size goes up.  Link.

 

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 04:07 PM

How many years would you expect out of the Red HDDs when used in an HR?  I'm starting to see my 3-4 year old Green Caviar drives fail.

 

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 04:12 PM

I usually buy AV-GP drives but Red is on the radar now. Id probably go 3tb's, but itll be Summer before the HR44 is clear.


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 05:14 PM

I've been using this one since Sept 2010 on an HR20-700 and now I've put it on an HR24-200:

 

http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I've been using it wit this ThermalTake Dock:

 

http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I've been so pleased with both of these, that I just ordered the following for the HR44-700:

 

http://www.amazon.co...2?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

for use with the same dock (although this one was just ordered, so who knows if they are identical or not):

 

http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

As always, thanks to Rich for his recommendation.. 4 years of continuous DVR operation on the 2 TB drive and still going strong. If the new 3 TB for the HR44 is as good, I'll be more than happy.

 

The goal was to increase recording capacity, but not go so large that I wouldn't like losing all the recordings when either of the DVRs go south (which they will, sooner or later). In the HR24's case, 500 gig to 2 TB is a nice increase, and in the HR44, going from 1 TB to 3 TB should also be just about right.


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#2833 OFFLINE   Jason Whiddon

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 08:50 PM

Yeah, Im gonna have to get a 2 or 3TB for my HR44 come summer when I can clear it off. I just added an AM21 so the OTA recordings will be eating space.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 11:45 AM

Yeah, Im gonna have to get a 2 or 3TB for my HR44 come summer when I can clear it off. I just added an AM21 so the OTA recordings will be eating space.

My AM21 is on the HR24-200 that I currently have a 2 TB drive on. I don't plan on putting an AM21 on the HR44...one DVR with the AM21 is enough, and my wife has an AM21 on her HR24 as well. BTW, it's Thundersnowing here at thte moment, very strange look to it, Blizzard (5-10 " snow and 55 mph winds predicted for later today! 


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:35 PM

My AM21 is on the HR24-200 that I currently have a 2 TB drive on. I don't plan on putting an AM21 on the HR44...one DVR with the AM21 is enough, and my wife has an AM21 on her HR24 as well. BTW, it's Thundersnowing here at thte moment, very strange look to it, Blizzard (5-10 " snow and 55 mph winds predicted for later today! 

 

Oh, no.  Is that coming my way?  My wife heard something about that yesterday.  I was just getting ready to put the snow-blower away.

 

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 02:30 PM

Oh, no.  Is that coming my way?  My wife heard something about that yesterday.  I was just getting ready to put the snow-blower away.

 

Rich

I don't think so, it looks to be tracking north into Wisconsin and then Michigan and Canada. Looks like you missed this one. It is snowing really hard adn the wind hasn't come up yet. When it does, no one is going anywhere.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:18 PM

http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I ordered these two and should receiver mid-week, because I spent 4 hours yesterday with the BlacX TT Dock and 3 gig WD AV (EURS, I think). The combo would not work with either my HR44 or two different computers and 3 different eSATA cables. The drive light on the TT would flash a few times on spin-up, and flash once when the 44 looked at it, but after that, NADA. Even tried both eSATA and USB on two different computers, two different O/S...same result. No drive letter assigned, no recognition. It is as if the drive needed to be initialized, which is strange in that I've never had to do that with a TT/Drive on any D* box.  Anywho, I've boxed them up for return and ordered the two things above, based on Rich's comments on the EURX series and Inkahuts comments on the full enclosure.

 

Let's hope it goes better than yesterday, cuz it was a very frustrating experience.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:33 PM

the TT's controller/FW and the HDD could not negotiate well if the drive has AF (4k sectors) and support emulation of 512 bytes sectoring method... to get more facts I would try use 2 TB drive with your PC/DVR/cables and the dock ... perhaps next time if you sent it back



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:36 PM

the TT's controller/FW and the HDD could not negotiate well if the drive has AF (4k sectors) and support emulation of 512 bytes sectoring method... to get more facts I would try use 2 TB drive with your PC/DVR/cables and the dock ... perhaps next time if you sent it back

Thanks...since I'm starting over with a 2 TB EURX drive and TT Enclosure instead of the dock, it could be that I will have eliminated the problem you describe. I'll let ya know. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:13 PM

Success! My previous post outlined an epic fail between a WE30EURS/ThermalTake BlacX Dock and my HR44-700. I returned them and this is what worked:

 

The following worked perfectly, first try, no special treatment, just quickly assemble the enclosure, drop the drive in, push forward to mate with connectors, flip holding clip. Ready to go.

 

 

Western Digital WD20EURX (2 TB SATA III, Amazon)

 

ThermalTake Max 5 Active Cooking Enclosure (Amazon: double quiet fans, lighted if desired)

 

 

 

Standard connection/startup procedure:

 

1. Shut down HR44-700 (I used Menu Restart)

2. When front  panel lights go out, pull power plug on HR44

3. Connect eSATA cable between HR44 and the Enclosure

4. Power Up Enclosure and wait 1 minute.

5. Put HR44 Power Plug back in (it will auto power up)

 

Watch drive light on the enclosure, it will flash intermittently and continue to do so. As the HR44 comes alive, the screen will tell you it is formatting the external drive.

 

 

I have no idea why the other setup would not work out of the box on the HR44. I dropped down from 3 TB to 2 TB when I ordered this newt setup, only because I thought 3 was too big to have so much stuff on when it failed (and it will, eventually). I am using a BlacX Dock on my HR24-200 with a 2 TB drive successfully.

 

Since I changed type of interface (Dock > Full Enclosure), and Size (3 TB > 2 TB), and of course it was physically a different drive, I can't tell anyone why the first setup would not work. It could have been a bad dock, a bad drive, requirement that the drive be initialized (per P. Smith), etc.

 

Of course, I have to input all my series links and I lost the Sports Search (which should return in a few days), and have to wait a few days for the series links to populate, but at least now I have enough space to due the 5 tuners in the HR44 some justice.


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