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#2301 OFFLINE   Bruce M.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:46 PM

Well, that happy story was short-lived. After a few more reboots caused by a freezing DVR, the external drive is no longer recognized by the 24-500. Bummer. I'm beginning to think maybe it's the receiver, because these "freezes" have been happening repeatedly over the last few weeks. Maybe it is just going bad....

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:38 AM

Well, that happy story was short-lived. After a few more reboots caused by a freezing DVR, the external drive is no longer recognized by the 24-500. Bummer. I'm beginning to think maybe it's the receiver, because these "freezes" have been happening repeatedly over the last few weeks. Maybe it is just going bad....


Did you test the external drive itself and enclosure as it was mentioned here ?
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:56 AM

Does anyone know the max size disk the HR34 on the NR will recognize/ support? Thanks in advance!
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 02:00 PM

2 TB.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:51 PM

Hello everyone,

I've been searching the forum for a week or so now by using the the search tool and "googling' my topic after just becoming aware of using a EHD on my Dtv hr22. Ya I am behind the power curve by a lot lol.

I have read that a WD My Book WDBABT0010HBK-NESN will not work but the My DVR Expander WDG1S1000 will. Unfortunately they don't seem to exist. I have however found two on ebay for near what a My Book AV WDBABT0010 does.

Is the My book AV the same as the -NESN model? If not do you know if it will be compatible with my hr22?

I am sorry for bumping an old topic thread I know how some despise newbs doing this because they are lazy. Any info would be greatly appreciated Dan

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:56 PM

Order one of these:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817153071

And if you want 1TB one of these:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136941

or 2TB one of these:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136783

Takes 15 minutes to install.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:12 PM

^Thanks for the response. OK I should build one. Any particular reason to use the ThermalTake other than keeping it cooler increasing longevity of the drive? I'd like to protect the drive better(3 yo daughter) and a lil more appealing to the eye. Maybe this one?

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#2308 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

many reasons to use TT: read Rich's numerous posts here and in similar threads (I'm expect Rich will be happy to post it again and again, but please have mercy on him )

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:29 PM

Most definately the info here is remarkable and a bit daunting for one just starting. I have been re-reading both this and eSATA FAQs and have not come to that info. I did find info pertaining to the Antec mx-1. I found it online for $42. Looks like I may go with this and the WD 3.5 sata 2tb he suggested. I'm just not done reading yet so it may change. Thanks again

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:51 PM

Rich I'm just going to ask instead of " torturing" myself any longer. After re-reading a good portion of this thread...I have have come to the conclusion that the WS20EURS with either the MX-1 or ThermalTake is the setup I need for my HR22-100. Correct?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:06 AM

Rich I'm just going to ask instead of " torturing" myself any longer. After re-reading a good portion of this thread...I have have come to the conclusion that the WS20EURS with either the MX-1 or ThermalTake is the setup I need for my HR22-100. Correct?


Yes that's by far the most often used setups.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:47 AM

Thank you sir! I really appreciate the quick responses and not beating up a newb as some other boards do. This site is amazing! I only wish had found it sooner. Dan

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:52 AM

Yes that's by far the most often used setups.


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Those combos have proven to be very reliable over the last few years for many of us. As technology progresses, we occasionally need to recommend new drive models, but the MX-1's and TT BlacX enclosures are both still available.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:24 AM

Exactly there are definately a lot of changes in product model numbers since the OP. This is why I asked about the WD my book av not knowing if it was next gen my book or dvr expander. Seeing how the WD dvr expander was on the D* list. My thinking was the my book av replaced the expander. But after reading (again & again) I understand why what you suggested is a better setup..cost effectiveness..cooling..ease of assembly..1tb vs 2tb. Please don't ever stop sharing the info and knowledge you all have. There are lots of dolts like me out there. What may seem simple to some is mind boggling to others. Thanks again Dan

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:31 PM

For the ultimate in simplicity, go with the Thermaltake. Inserting the drive is exactly like putting bread in a toaster. The Antec takes more effort and the fan is something that could possibly (although not likely) fail.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:50 PM

For the ultimate in simplicity, go with the Thermaltake. Inserting the drive is exactly like putting bread in a toaster. The Antec takes more effort and the fan is something that could possibly (although not likely) fail.


Good advice, I will add though that the drives mounted in the Antec MX-1's actually run almost cool to the touch, whereas the drives mounted in the TT docks do run warm. But moving parts do fail eventually, anyone with a pc knows that occasionally you need to replace a case fan.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:09 AM

For what it's worth, I thought I would let anyone interested know that the Thermaltake BlacX ST0005U with a WD Caviar Black WDBAAZ0010HNC-NRSN is up an working:). I formated it before use with MBR:confused:. When I first pluged it in the HR34 didn't see it:rolleyes:, however, after repeating the start up seq. as posted by DTV the DVR attached the new drive:grin:. I have taken the drive down and attached it to my PC to see if any thing changed:confused:. The answer was yes as the PC attached the drive but wouldn't show that it was there in the Windows Explorer tree. I then used a partition/management software and it showed up as *other with an unrecognized format:(. So not being a guru I have ass-u-me-d:nono: that it has set up an encryption on the drive:mad:. I re-attached the drive without any changes and it is working fine.:)

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 11:58 AM

Good advice, I will add though that the drives mounted in the Antec MX-1's actually run almost cool to the touch, whereas the drives mounted in the TT docks do run warm. But moving parts do fail eventually, anyone with a pc knows that occasionally you need to replace a case fan.


I like the fact that the MX-1 is fully enclosed to protect the drive. The lid slides easily to gain access and if you don't screw the drive down it slides in and out just the same. I found a video of a guy who does this to use multiple drives in one enclosure. As for the fan if it fails....I'll take the lid off.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:41 PM

For what it's worth, I thought I would let anyone interested know that the Thermaltake BlacX ST0005U with a WD Caviar Black WDBAAZ0010HNC-NRSN is up an working:). I formated it before use with MBR:confused:. When I first pluged it in the HR34 didn't see it:rolleyes:, however, after repeating the start up seq. as posted by DTV the DVR attached the new drive:grin:. I have taken the drive down and attached it to my PC to see if any thing changed:confused:. The answer was yes as the PC attached the drive but wouldn't show that it was there in the Windows Explorer tree. I then used a partition/management software and it showed up as *other with an unrecognized format:(. So not being a guru I have ass-u-me-d:nono: that it has set up an encryption on the drive:mad:. I re-attached the drive without any changes and it is working fine.:)


We have tons of info include what file system the DVR does employ. Take your time, be familiar with the knowledge.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

files system is EXT3+XFS, not encrypted, but recording's content does
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Incorrect, you can't have both EXT3 and XFS. They are both their own file system and you get one or the other.

Saying it's EXT3+XFS would be like saying it's FAT+NTFS.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 02:12 PM

For what it's worth, I thought I would let anyone interested know that the Thermaltake BlacX ST0005U with a WD Caviar Black WDBAAZ0010HNC-NRSN is up an working:). I formated it before use with MBR:confused:. When I first pluged it in the HR34 didn't see it:rolleyes:, however, after repeating the start up seq. as posted by DTV the DVR attached the new drive:grin:. I have taken the drive down and attached it to my PC to see if any thing changed:confused:. The answer was yes as the PC attached the drive but wouldn't show that it was there in the Windows Explorer tree. I then used a partition/management software and it showed up as *other with an unrecognized format:(. So not being a guru I have ass-u-me-d:nono: that it has set up an encryption on the drive:mad:. I re-attached the drive without any changes and it is working fine.:)


Yeah, you don't want to format the drive, the DirecTV hr does it for you. I believe it's a Linux system and formats its own partitions for its use in the sizes it wants, which you can't do.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:42 PM

Take a break, learn a little, get the drive connected to your PC and do a favor - look inside it before post BS.


I've connected several to a PC after they've been partitioned and formatted. You don't have to do that to know they can't be both EXT3 and XFS at the same time. They are two completely different file systems and a partition cannot be both at the same time.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:30 PM

OK. I would say that little different (just for you) its' a EXT3 type of partition with RTDEV extension what is formatted as XFS.


I'm not going to argue with you, clearly you feel you know everything and argue with everyone about it. Both partitions are XFS though. EXT3 is not a partition type, it's a filesystem type. The type for both partitions is 83 (LINUX).

Since you can't seem to ever do your own work and always ask others to do your testing for you here's your info:

Partitions - As you can see the partition type is 83
Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes
164 heads, 34 sectors/track, 525515 cylinders, total 2930277168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 40 1053863 526912 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb2 1053864 32513655 15729896 83 Linux
/dev/sdb3 32513656 2930271639 1448878992 83 Linux

And using cfdisk shows you the filesystem type of the main partition (2) and 3 is the realtime partition which is also XFS.

Disk Drive: /dev/sdb
Size: 1500301910016 bytes, 1500.3 GB
Heads: 164 Sectors per Track: 34 Cylinders: 525515

Name Flags Part Type FS Type [Label] Size (MB)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pri/Log Free Space 0.03 *
sdb1 Primary swap 539.56 *
sdb2 Primary xfs 16107.42
sdb3 Primary Linux 1483652.09
Pri/Log Free Space 2.84 *

There's the facts, do with them what you will but there is NO ext3 partition.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:41 PM

Final word for you - mount it and bring here output from fdisk. Enough of bickering with empty wording. Isn't that value what you brought to the thread ?
Show facts ! I posted enough long before you.


I already posted the facts in plain old black and white, read my last post. There's no "empty wording", whatever that means, just facts.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:01 PM

some ppl just can't comprehend partition scheme and file system difference and coexistence facts


You can stop your personal attacks now. Clearly it's you that doesn't understand what you're looking at.

Here is partitions of HR20-700 external 1.5TB drive.


I already provided you with the partition layout of a 1.5TB drive in Linux using both fdisk and cfdisk in an earlier post, please refer to that.

And EXT2 manager for windows' picture of same drive.


Anyone that knows anything about Linux partitions knows you don't use Windows to look at them. What you pointed out was a RAW partition of type 83. I already pointed out that the partitions are Type 83. EXT3 is NOT a partition type, it is a filesystem type. Windows shows "RAW" because it has no idea what XFS is. If you were to look at it in Linux, which I provided a copy/paste of, in cfdisk you can clearly see it says "xfs". The larger partition is a realtime xfs partition. You cannot have a main partition of one filesystem type that has a realtime partition of another, you just can't!

Again, EXT3 is NOT a parition type. EXT3 is a filesystem type!

Here is a list of partition types:

http://www.win.tue.n...on_types-1.html

There is NO partition type "EXT3". EXT3 is a filesystem type that you can use on a partition that is a type 83 partition.

If you take the time to look at the link provided instead of just assuming you can't be wrong you'll see that for partition type 83 it says:

"Linux is a Unix-like operating system written by Linus Torvalds and many others on the internet since Fall 1991. It runs on PCs (386 and up) and a variety of other hardware. It is distributed under GPL. Software can be found numerous places, like ftp.funet.fi, metalab.unc.edu and tsx-11.mit.edu. See also comp.os.linux.* and http://www.linux.org/. Various filesystem types like xiafs, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, etc. all use ID 83. Some systems mistakenly assume that 83 must mean ext2."

In summary....

1. There are 3 partitions on the drive. 1 swap partition (type 82 Linux Swap) and 2 data partitions (type 83 Linux).

2. EXT3 is NOT a parition type, it is a filesystem type.

3. The filesystem type on the 2 data partitions is XFS.

4. There is NO ext3 formatted partition on the device.

Working with Linux is NOT a hobby for me. If I didn't know all this stuff I'd have lost my job long ago.

EDIT: Further proof that the partitions are XFS. When you mount the disk to copy the contents to a new disk you use the following:

mount -t xfs -o rtdev=/dev/sdb3 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/HR

Right here you're telling the system what filesystem type you want to use (-t). You'll see that you're telling it to use "xfs" for both partitions. You can't mount an ext3 filesystem by telling the system to mount it as xfs, you just can't.

Edited by RunnerFL, 20 September 2012 - 09:12 PM.

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