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#26 OFFLINE   Paul Secic

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 12:57 PM

Does anybody know if ESPN Gameplan will be in HD this year?? I am an Oklahoma fan but i live in Georgia, so I have to get Gameplan for those regional ABC games. Pretty much, all of Oklahoma's games on ABC are in HD but because i live in Georgia i get some crappy ACC game in HD on my ABC channel. So, I go to my gameplan channel for the ABC Regional Oklahoma game which is supposed to be in HD but its not, because Gameplan is not in HD! I can't stand to watch Oklahoma kick Texas A&M's butt in SD! it sucks!!!!! So, does anybody know if i can get my regional abc hd game on gameplan in hd this year?? Will ESPN Gameplan for the 2009 season be in HD??? Please somebody tell me!


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Posted 04 July 2009 - 01:15 PM

You guys mentioned the ABC regionals in HD, but so are the Raycom games and some of the Sun PPV games of Florida and FSU. There may not be alot of content but their is a decent amount of games in HD for this package to show. HD would be the only way I'd get this package because of the lack of games available on it.


Technically there are no Raycom games. The SEC has a new contract with ESPN giving them rights to the early game. It may show up on a local affiliate (syndicated) or on an RSN or on ESPNU (in that order). I'm not real happy with the way the SEC has done this. Even though the conference is swimming in money they've made it difficult for fans to determine where or how they'll see the games in advance.

I'd like to know if my local syndicated affiliate has picked up broadcast rights, but there's absolutely no news on that. So if you want to prepare in advance, see if you'll be able to view the game in HD, whether you might need to get an OTA antenna if it is being broadcast locally in HD (but not in HD on D*) then you're SOL. It bothers me to no end that Big Ten fans with D* know that they'll either be on BTN, ESPN or ABC each and every week. Meanwhile the SEC signs a big contract for oodles of money and takes it to the bank. What do they care: let someone else worry about it. I blame the SEC for this, not D*, BTW. The SEC probably made a wise move by not creating its own network, but should have come up with a better plan to make sure fans receive the best content. Some of the local affiliates syndicating the Raycom/LF broacasts in recent years might as well have been showing a game from the early 1990s. It's ridiculous that you can live in Alabama's second-largest market and not see a decent broadcast of an SEC game.

From my limited understanding of this "deal," this is how SEC games will break down week to week:

1: CBS 2:30
2: ESPN night
3: ESPN2 night
4: ESPN Regional (11:21 syndicated)
5: ESPNU/Classic
6: CSS or Fox Sports Net

CSS/FSN each get a minimum 6 games per season for a 12 game minimum (over 13 weeks)


Here's the information from the SEC:
http://secsports.com...ange_well_id=2

Edited by GenTso, 04 July 2009 - 01:22 PM.


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Posted 04 July 2009 - 01:22 PM

i was mainly referring to the WAC games . . . i don't think they are done in HD, therefore there is no way that it could be 100% HD. but, there is definitely a lot of HD games they could broadcast. personally i would only be concerned with the ABC games (as i am a Pac10 guy), but as an avid fan of USC living in the LA area i am lucky as my games are always broadcast.


You're lucky. I'm a Duck fan and we could be a top 5 team and we will still have at least 2 games a year not televised because ABC and FSN choose to show Washington or UCLA instead of us. Also, the Pac-10 regional ABC game was never in HD last year even here on the west coast. It was always SD for some reason.

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 06:18 PM

You're lucky. I'm a Duck fan and we could be a top 5 team and we will still have at least 2 games a year not televised because ABC and FSN choose to show Washington or UCLA instead of us.



UCLA is in the top college football TV market on the west coast, and close to that nationwide, so it is a no brainer UCLA games are on. Washington is a decent size TV market and the largest market for FSN-NW. Add in the fact that many of the games FSN-NW picked up were against teams in pretty good size markets themselves, which also brings viewers.

Also consider that Oregon chose to put it's games on CSN-NW, a channel few get. Last year I had to watch some of the games on the out of town RSNs....pretty sad when your own market cannot get the games live. (A total sell out by Pat Kilkenny, who screwed the long time fans in his quest for cash.) In order for those games last year that weren't televised to be televised it required a waiver from FSN. FSN is not going to give a waiver to CSN, period. CSN drives up the prices and FSN is not going to go out of its way to help them. Ducks may have lined extra cash, but screwed us all in the end.

By the way, the Ducks are NOT a top 5 team. There may be one analyst that put them there, but there are plenty that also say they are much lower than that - and still some that say they'll have an off year. Last year they had two good games, blew the Boise State game badly, looked horrible in the USC game, dropped to Cal in the rain, blew a 48 point lead against AZ and barely won 56-48 or something like that. They really had a good game against OSU, but that really was it to be honest. New coach Chip Kelly may have been a good offensive coordinator, but can he handle the whole team? We'll see.....

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 09:14 PM

UCLA is in the top college football TV market on the west coast, and close to that nationwide, so it is a no brainer UCLA games are on. Washington is a decent size TV market and the largest market for FSN-NW. Add in the fact that many of the games FSN-NW picked up were against teams in pretty good size markets themselves, which also brings viewers.

Also consider that Oregon chose to put it's games on CSN-NW, a channel few get. Last year I had to watch some of the games on the out of town RSNs....pretty sad when your own market cannot get the games live. (A total sell out by Pat Kilkenny, who screwed the long time fans in his quest for cash.) In order for those games last year that weren't televised to be televised it required a waiver from FSN. FSN is not going to give a waiver to CSN, period. CSN drives up the prices and FSN is not going to go out of its way to help them. Ducks may have lined extra cash, but screwed us all in the end.

By the way, the Ducks are NOT a top 5 team. There may be one analyst that put them there, but there are plenty that also say they are much lower than that - and still some that say they'll have an off year. Last year they had two good games, blew the Boise State game badly, looked horrible in the USC game, dropped to Cal in the rain, blew a 48 point lead against AZ and barely won 56-48 or something like that. They really had a good game against OSU, but that really was it to be honest. New coach Chip Kelly may have been a good offensive coordinator, but can he handle the whole team? We'll see.....


They had a pretty good game against Oregon State too ;)

I was more referring to 2007 when we WERE a top 5 team and had 2 games not televised in a three week span. That was BEFORE the CSN-NW deal. I do think that Oregon will be a top 10 team this year, though, but that's another argument.

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 10:36 PM

Technically there are no Raycom games. The SEC has a new contract with ESPN giving them rights to the early game. It may show up on a local affiliate (syndicated) or on an RSN or on ESPNU (in that order). I'm not real happy with the way the SEC has done this. Even though the conference is swimming in money they've made it difficult for fans to determine where or how they'll see the games in advance.

I'd like to know if my local syndicated affiliate has picked up broadcast rights, but there's absolutely no news on that. So if you want to prepare in advance, see if you'll be able to view the game in HD, whether you might need to get an OTA antenna if it is being broadcast locally in HD (but not in HD on D*) then you're SOL. It bothers me to no end that Big Ten fans with D* know that they'll either be on BTN, ESPN or ABC each and every week. Meanwhile the SEC signs a big contract for oodles of money and takes it to the bank. What do they care: let someone else worry about it. I blame the SEC for this, not D*, BTW. The SEC probably made a wise move by not creating its own network, but should have come up with a better plan to make sure fans receive the best content. Some of the local affiliates syndicating the Raycom/LF broacasts in recent years might as well have been showing a game from the early 1990s. It's ridiculous that you can live in Alabama's second-largest market and not see a decent broadcast of an SEC game.

From my limited understanding of this "deal," this is how SEC games will break down week to week:

1: CBS 2:30
2: ESPN night
3: ESPN2 night
4: ESPN Regional (11:21 syndicated)
5: ESPNU/Classic
6: CSS or Fox Sports Net

CSS/FSN each get a minimum 6 games per season for a 12 game minimum (over 13 weeks)


Here's the information from the SEC:
http://secsports.com...ange_well_id=2


I know the SEC got the deal done with ESPN but did the ACC leave Raycom as well? If so its a shame because the HD broadcasts are actually pretty good. The SD broadcasts used to be horrendous. The picture quality was awful.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 10:26 AM

I know the SEC got the deal done with ESPN but did the ACC leave Raycom as well? If so its a shame because the HD broadcasts are actually pretty good. The SD broadcasts used to be horrendous. The picture quality was awful.


No they didn't, Raycom will still have the weekly ACC game in HD.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 04:15 PM

They had a pretty good game against Oregon State too ;)

I was more referring to 2007 when we WERE a top 5 team and had 2 games not televised in a three week span. That was BEFORE the CSN-NW deal. I do think that Oregon will be a top 10 team this year, though, but that's another argument.


I did acknowledge the Oregon State game!!

Top 10? I just don't see it. They lost a lot of guys this past year. I am wondering if Chip Kelley can handle the head coaching duties as well.....

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 08:01 AM

Any word if the reverse mirror games are going to be in HD this year? It was an issue last year, and even though my local cable company gave the reverse mirror game in HD, D* didn't always offer the HD feed. Any info would be appreciated.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 08:59 AM

Technically there are no Raycom games. The SEC has a new contract with ESPN giving them rights to the early game. It may show up on a local affiliate (syndicated) or on an RSN or on ESPNU (in that order). I'm not real happy with the way the SEC has done this. Even though the conference is swimming in money they've made it difficult for fans to determine where or how they'll see the games in advance.

I'd like to know if my local syndicated affiliate has picked up broadcast rights, but there's absolutely no news on that. So if you want to prepare in advance, see if you'll be able to view the game in HD, whether you might need to get an OTA antenna if it is being broadcast locally in HD (but not in HD on D*) then you're SOL. It bothers me to no end that Big Ten fans with D* know that they'll either be on BTN, ESPN or ABC each and every week. Meanwhile the SEC signs a big contract for oodles of money and takes it to the bank. What do they care: let someone else worry about it. I blame the SEC for this, not D*, BTW. The SEC probably made a wise move by not creating its own network, but should have come up with a better plan to make sure fans receive the best content. Some of the local affiliates syndicating the Raycom/LF broacasts in recent years might as well have been showing a game from the early 1990s. It's ridiculous that you can live in Alabama's second-largest market and not see a decent broadcast of an SEC game.

From my limited understanding of this "deal," this is how SEC games will break down week to week:

1: CBS 2:30
2: ESPN night
3: ESPN2 night
4: ESPN Regional (11:21 syndicated)
5: ESPNU/Classic
6: CSS or Fox Sports Net

CSS/FSN each get a minimum 6 games per season for a 12 game minimum (over 13 weeks)


Here's the information from the SEC:
http://secsports.com...ange_well_id=2


This is essentially how it is done in the ACC. We don't find out where the games will be on TV until 1-2 weeks ahead of time. And, that also impacts the actual times of the games. We only get 1-2 weeks to plan going to the games...at least for conference games, non-conference games are already set for the most part.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 09:02 AM

UCLA is in the top college football TV market on the west coast, and close to that nationwide, so it is a no brainer UCLA games are on.


I seriously doubt that. Explain the NBC contract for Notre Dame then. I would bet USC gets better ratings than UCLA. When is the last time UCLA even won that conference?

Just seems hard for me to believe that people in the PAC-10 are nearly as avid as SEC fans. Do the vast majority of people in LA really care about college football or is it something to do when you're bored?

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 09:28 AM

They care when USC is winning.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:00 AM

I just called and cancelled my GamePlan subscription after having subscribed for many years. Since the SportsPack is part of my sub package, I've noticed over the last couple years that many of the GP games can be found on the RSNs without blackout, so the value of GP has really diminished. Occassionally, there is a regional ABC game that I couldn't otherwise see, but being a Big 12 fan bordering a Big 12 state, I get most of those games in my market. The ONLY thing that would cause me to reconsider subscribing would be a big push toward games in HD. HD is the only angle that would make ESPN GamePlan (and FullCourt, for that matter) relevant again.

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 04:04 PM

Technically there are no Raycom games. The SEC has a new contract with ESPN giving them rights to the early game. It may show up on a local affiliate (syndicated) or on an RSN or on ESPNU (in that order). I'm not real happy with the way the SEC has done this. Even though the conference is swimming in money they've made it difficult for fans to determine where or how they'll see the games in advance.

I'd like to know if my local syndicated affiliate has picked up broadcast rights, but there's absolutely no news on that. So if you want to prepare in advance, see if you'll be able to view the game in HD, whether you might need to get an OTA antenna if it is being broadcast locally in HD (but not in HD on D*) then you're SOL. It bothers me to no end that Big Ten fans with D* know that they'll either be on BTN, ESPN or ABC each and every week. Meanwhile the SEC signs a big contract for oodles of money and takes it to the bank. What do they care: let someone else worry about it. I blame the SEC for this, not D*, BTW. The SEC probably made a wise move by not creating its own network, but should have come up with a better plan to make sure fans receive the best content. Some of the local affiliates syndicating the Raycom/LF broacasts in recent years might as well have been showing a game from the early 1990s. It's ridiculous that you can live in Alabama's second-largest market and not see a decent broadcast of an SEC game.


The new SEC deal is a significant improvement over the current one (many games were not televised or only on PPV) but I am surprised that SEC did not launch their own network which would have prevented many of the problems identified above. Further, while the money for the new SEC deal is very good, on a per team basis the Big Ten's schools make the same amount as the SEC. The difference is that at the end of the agreements, the Big Ten owns 51% of a very valuable media asset that it can use as leverage in future television negotiations while the SEC merely helped enhance the value of ESPNU by growing its distribution.

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 10:06 PM

I seriously doubt that. Explain the NBC contract for Notre Dame then. I would bet USC gets better ratings than UCLA. When is the last time UCLA even won that conference?

Just seems hard for me to believe that people in the PAC-10 are nearly as avid as SEC fans. Do the vast majority of people in LA really care about college football or is it something to do when you're bored?


I never said UCLA was tops. I said the LA TV market was tops. There are MORE people in LA than Birmingham, AL, New Orelans, LA, Atlanta, and so forth.

Even IF the whole state of Alabama was on TV, LA is still bigger, like it or not. S Cal is also a highly educated poplulation compared to the deep south.

No doubt SEC is tops for football and no doubt that people watch the games. But the LA tv market is bigger.

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Posted 14 July 2009 - 09:34 PM

I just called and cancelled my GamePlan subscription after having subscribed for many years. Since the SportsPack is part of my sub package, I've noticed over the last couple years that many of the GP games can be found on the RSNs without blackout, so the value of GP has really diminished. Occassionally, there is a regional ABC game that I couldn't otherwise see, but being a Big 12 fan bordering a Big 12 state, I get most of those games in my market. The ONLY thing that would cause me to reconsider subscribing would be a big push toward games in HD. HD is the only angle that would make ESPN GamePlan (and FullCourt, for that matter) relevant again.


I thought (and I could be completely wrong) that you didn't have those games blacked out because of having the gameplan

Am I wrong?

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 06:42 AM

Any word if the reverse mirror games are going to be in HD this year? It was an issue last year, and even though my local cable company gave the reverse mirror game in HD, D* didn't always offer the HD feed. Any info would be appreciated.


Ok, here's how the reverse mirror works. You have two games. One game is "primarily carried" on ESPN/2 while the second is "primarily carried" on ABC. So if you live in a market where the "primarily carried" ABC game is on your ABC affiliate, you get the ESPN/2 game in HD. If you live in a market where the game "primarily carried" on ESPN/2 is on your ABC affiliate, then you get the "primarily carried" ABC game in SD on an alternate feed for ESPN/2.

So the only chance you have in seeing both games in HD is to be a market where the ESPN HD feed isn't blacked out. This, of course, assumes they don't provide alternate HD uplinks this fall, which is a VERY good assumption.

See this site for a good example. The Utah/Michigan game was listed as ESPN2HD which meant it was carried on the primary channel. So if you lived in an region that got the Utah/Michigan game on ABC, then you saw USC/Virginia on the ESPN2 alternate feed.

I thought (and I could be completely wrong) that you didn't have those games blacked out because of having the gameplan

Am I wrong?


Well, you're wrong. The college football games on the sports pack are not blacked out. The only benefit I could see in the GamePlan last year were the syndicated games (Raycom or PPV) and the regional ABC games not carried on the reverse mirror. I have found that only pro sports are subject to black out on the sports pack.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 07:15 AM

I have found that only pro sports are subject to black out on the sports pack.


Not entirely true. Some conferences will have blackouts on college basketball on Sports Pack. The SEC has done it in the past. Of course that will probably change somehow this year with the new ESPN deal.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 07:19 AM

Not entirely true. Some conferences will have blackouts on college basketball on Sports Pack. The SEC has done it in the past. Of course that will probably change somehow this year with the new ESPN deal.


Ha, I don't watch basketball too often. I stand corrected.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:19 AM

The new SEC deal is a significant improvement over the current one (many games were not televised or only on PPV) but I am surprised that SEC did not launch their own network which would have prevented many of the problems identified above. Further, while the money for the new SEC deal is very good, on a per team basis the Big Ten's schools make the same amount as the SEC. The difference is that at the end of the agreements, the Big Ten owns 51% of a very valuable media asset that it can use as leverage in future television negotiations while the SEC merely helped enhance the value of ESPNU by growing its distribution.


An outright excellent description of what happened. Kudos!

And you're 10000000% right about ESPNU - this coming from a UConn fan - the official university of ESPNU football (until Comcast got it). :)

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:59 AM

The new SEC deal is a significant improvement over the current one (many games were not televised or only on PPV) but I am surprised that SEC did not launch their own network which would have prevented many of the problems identified above. Further, while the money for the new SEC deal is very good, on a per team basis the Big Ten's schools make the same amount as the SEC. The difference is that at the end of the agreements, the Big Ten owns 51% of a very valuable media asset that it can use as leverage in future television negotiations while the SEC merely helped enhance the value of ESPNU by growing its distribution.


Another difference is the BigTen's deal makes every home football game nationally televised without the need to subscribe to ESPN GamePlan which provides more exposure. That actually means something now that the big cable companies have worked out deals for BTN.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 06:29 PM

Not entirely true. Some conferences will have blackouts on college basketball on Sports Pack. The SEC has done it in the past. Of course that will probably change somehow this year with the new ESPN deal.


Wheh, I knew I wasn't crazy :lol:

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 08:18 PM

I just called and cancelled my GamePlan subscription after having subscribed for many years. Since the SportsPack is part of my sub package, I've noticed over the last couple years that many of the GP games can be found on the RSNs without blackout, so the value of GP has really diminished. Occassionally, there is a regional ABC game that I couldn't otherwise see, but being a Big 12 fan bordering a Big 12 state, I get most of those games in my market. The ONLY thing that would cause me to reconsider subscribing would be a big push toward games in HD. HD is the only angle that would make ESPN GamePlan (and FullCourt, for that matter) relevant again.


I called this week and also cancelled GP for the same reason. If I see that GP will be HD this season, I might call back and get it turned back on. Like you said, that occasional ABC regional game isn't enough for me to keep GP this year. Over the past 2-3 years I've watched GP less than previous years.

It's hard for me to see why a lot of the Big 12 games weren't in HD last season.
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:40 PM

The Choice is very simple for me. I cancelled ESPN Gameplan. The Games are not in HD and last year some of the ESPN Gameplan games were actually available on the Sportspack alone. Channels like MASN from Baltimore and Altitude Sports from Denver were carrying many of the Big 12 games in the clear. I remember watching some games and flipping over to Gameplan last year and it would be the exact same game available. And besides i found myself not even watching Gameplan games because my local CBS Carried the SEC Game of the week in HD, and then my local ABC Affilliate carried the ABC Games those too were in HD also, including the games available on ESPN2, and the Big 10 Channels. ESPN Gameplan is a waste now of about $115 dollars unless there is a die hard fan of a conference where you live out of say an area like ACC Territory where a fan somewhere would want to see an ACC Game that is only carried in ACC Territory, ESPN Gameplan is a waste of money in my honest opinion now a days. Just another note that last year ESPNews channel 207 actually carried some games Live when it got down to like the last 2 minutes of a game. I watched the end of Several SEC Games last year on ESPNews channel 207 in HD because the local SEC Channel that was carrying the SEC Game of the week from Raycom Sports was not carried in HD in my local market. ESPN is the best source for College Footall in the Fall now and for me i just can't justify spending the money for ESPN Gameplan.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:44 PM

GamePlan has sucked the last few years as the games are unwatchable in SD. It was rumored that there might be some games in HD last season, but it never came to pass. And I doubt we'll see any games in HD this year as it doesn't even sound like they will have ESPNU in HD until next year. I think D* is tapped out on bandwidth until D13 goes live. Apparently they get enough subscriptions that they don't feel the need to be creative and find the room for HD feeds.




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