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NBC rewinds 'Rockford'


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#26 OFFLINE   fluffybear

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:20 PM

Didn't they learn from The Bionic Woman? UNBC got lucky with the BSG retool, but went to the well one too many times. Don't forget there is a V retool on it's way


Science Fiction Shows (at least in my opinion) are easier to remake. There is a larger cast and characters are more generic and can easily be retooled.
Plus, it didn't hurt that BSG was not all that big of a hit when it first aired. If my memory has not failed me, it only lasted for 1 season and was retooled part way through the first season.

Characters that were tailored around a specific actor & their talents on the other hand are almost if not impossible to remake.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:28 PM

I'm sorry but no one else could ever play James Rockford. The role was specifically designed around James Garner. I have never seen another actor that fits the same persona of James Garner.

It really did not matter what role James Garner played, you always knew his character was a grifter in some way.

There are some shows which should never be remade and this is one of them.


I wouldnt say the show was specificly designed around Garner the only connection from WIKI states that the show was created by Stephen J Canal and Roy Huggins the latter created Maverick. If it is more than an opinon that you have then post a reference please.

Regardless of our opinons on the subject NBC is going to remake it watch it or not.

I loved Garner as Jimbo, It was one of my favorite shows and I used to watch it recently on WGN but they stopped showing it. I do not think Garner has ever done anything I did not like.

You say it should not be remade like it is some sort of fact when it really is just your opinon & I say otherwise. I for one am looking forward to it and will be watching it when it comes out.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:34 PM

NO!!!

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:09 AM


Regardless of our opinons on the subject NBC is going to remake it watch it or not.

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Hopefully, the show will fail miserably when it comes to the focus groups and the Nothing But Crap network will come to it's senses.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:20 AM

Because heaven forbid someone else likes something that you've decided in advance you want to hate, right? :)

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:28 AM

Because heaven forbid someone else likes something that you've decided in advance you want to hate, right? :)


YES! :P

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:12 AM

I'm sorry but no one else could ever play James Rockford. The role was specifically designed around James Garner. I have never seen another actor that fits the same persona of James Garner.

It really did not matter what role James Garner played, you always knew his character was a grifter in some way.



Speaking of grifters, how about John Cusack as Rockford? He's aging nicely, and while he isn't the same as James Garner (who is?) he also brings an interesting conflicted subtext to his characters. Plus, if we're lucky we might get his sister in a supporting role too, just like in Grosse Point Blank!
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:25 AM

Speaking of grifters, how about John Cusack as Rockford? He's aging nicely, and while he isn't the same as James Garner (who is?) he also brings an interesting conflicted subtext to his characters. Plus, if we're lucky we might get his sister in a supporting role too, just like in Grosse Point Blank!



Speaking strictly hypothetically, If John Cusack were to be cast as Rockford. I would not mind seeing Joan cast as Beth Davenport.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 07:52 AM

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There are some shows which should never be remade and this is one of them.


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You say it should not be remade like it is some sort of fact when it really is just your opinon & I say otherwise. I for one am looking forward to it and will be watching it when it comes out.


That shows the difference in education in different areas or different timeframes. When I was growing up, we were taught that it would be redundant to include "in my opinion" on a comment like this. We were taught to identify opinions versus facts and to evaluate them with different criteria.

I guess it followed that were learned that it is okay to express our opinions straightforwardly and emphatically, since people would know that it was an opinion.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 08:25 AM

Plus, it didn't hurt that BSG was not all that big of a hit when it first aired. If my memory has not failed me, it only lasted for 1 season and was retooled part way through the first season.


Quite the contrary. The 3-hour premiere was a HUGE hit and even with declining rating during the year, Galactica consistently won it's timeslot.

The problem was that it cost a fortune to make. The 'profit margin' on Galactica was razor thin compared to getting lesser ratings for a far cheaper show (Mork & Mindy took it's timeslot the following year but the ratings were even worse).

The "retooling" you might be thinking of was 'Galactica: 1980' which is viewed by fans much in the way "Highlander II" is viewed by their fans - It Never Happened.

G:1980 was an attempt to recycle sets, models and footage to produce a series on-the-cheap while trying to cash in on the "Galactica" name - in other words, mining the fans of the old series to show them the unadulterated crap they produced from their recycling efforts.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:15 AM

Uhhhh.... I thought that The Rockford Files was a remake of Maverick in a modern-day setting.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:37 AM

That shows the difference in education in different areas or different timeframes. When I was growing up, we were taught that it would be redundant to include "in my opinion" on a comment like this. We were taught to identify opinions versus facts and to evaluate them with different criteria.

I guess it followed that were learned that it is okay to express our opinions straightforwardly and emphatically, since people would know that it was an opinion.


I was born in 1968 and went to public schools all my life in Fl, TX and DODDS in Europe. I am the worlds worst speller and am the champion of run on sentences. With that said when i read a state like "There are some shows which should never be remade and this is one of them." or like "The role was specifically designed around James Garner." I presume them to statements of fact made by the person writing them.

Hey no matter how much I love an old show there is allways a chance it may get remade. Who hell thought they would remake V as an example. Since I liked the original I will give the remake a chance it will either succede ala BSG or fail Like Bionic Woman.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:40 AM

I'm older than you, cj, and my understanding of words parallels yours. Opinion is what is labeled. Anything not labeled as opinion is taken to be an assertion of fact.

In a newspaper, news articles don't each say on to "this is fact".... but the editorials are always on a page clearly marked as opinion.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:59 AM

- "There are some shows which should never be remade and this is one of them."

I think this statement would have to be taken as an opinion since, as far as I know, there is no governing body in place that could really enforce the decree (although in many cases, there probably should be). Also, the word "should" tends to indicate a general belief more than a statement of absolute truth.

- "The role was specifically designed around James Garner."

This statement, by itself, could certainly be interpretted as an expression of fact. Taken in context with the rest of the post, I would take it to mean that the writing of the show was tailored to the unique strengths of James Garner and that it would be hard to translate that to another actor.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:22 PM

I was born in 1968 and went to public schools all my life in Fl, TX and DODDS in Europe. I am the worlds worst speller and am the champion of run on sentences. With that said when i read a state like "There are some shows which should never be remade and this is one of them." or like "The role was specifically designed around James Garner." I presume them to statements of fact made by the person writing them.

Hey no matter how much I love an old show there is allways a chance it may get remade. Who hell thought they would remake V as an example. Since I liked the original I will give the remake a chance it will either succede ala BSG or fail Like Bionic Woman.


Well, I did only quote the sentence with "should" in it. I would agree with you that the other sentence was presented as a statement of fact. Without knowing the person's level of knowledge of the subject, I would certainly treat it as that person's opinion of the facts.

I'm older than you, cj, and my understanding of words parallels yours. Opinion is what is labeled. Anything not labeled as opinion is taken to be an assertion of fact.

In a newspaper, news articles don't each say on to "this is fact".... but the editorials are always on a page clearly marked as opinion.


I'm a few years older than CJ as well, but what I learned in school was just the opposite. In fact, newspaper articles were the examples used to help us determine what is fact and what is opinion. Though they do label opinions on the editorial page, you'd be surprised how much opinion you find in the news section of many papers.

I guess I take the point of view taken from scientific or other research papers: If it's not reliably attributed (or evidence given), it's only that person's opinion or at best their point of view of the facts. Knowledge of the person and their expertise or knowledge on a subject may make me more or less likely to trust their point of view of the facts.

I guess that people with my point of view will need to remember to label our opinions better, so that we are better understood. And people with your point of view can benefit by remembering that not everyone feels the need to label their opinions as opinions.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:35 PM

I'm a few years older than CJ as well, but what I learned in school was just the opposite.

Maybe it is a North versus South thing. My wife's even older than I am, and a Southerner, so I can check with her.

If I remember... :lol:

Though they do label opinions on the editorial page, you'd be surprised how much opinion you find in the news section of many papers.

And when you see that, outside of the editorial pages, it is "wrong". That's what I learned in school.

I guess that people with my point of view will need to remember to label our opinions better, so that we are better understood.

Or just reply, "Yup that's just my opinion," when someone makes a point of pointing that out. After all, from what you're saying, you wouldn't disagree.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:43 PM

Uhhhh.... I thought that The Rockford Files was a remake of Maverick in a modern-day setting.



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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:03 PM

- "There are some shows which should never be remade and this is one of them."

I think this statement would have to be taken as an opinion since, as far as I know, there is no governing body in place that could really enforce the decree (although in many cases, there probably should be). Also, the word "should" tends to indicate a general belief more than a statement of absolute truth.

- "The role was specifically designed around James Garner."

This statement, by itself, could certainly be interpretted as an expression of fact. Taken in context with the rest of the post, I would take it to mean that the writing of the show was tailored to the unique strengths of James Garner and that it would be hard to translate that to another actor.



Exactly what my wife said more or less.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:06 PM

Maybe it is a North versus South thing. My wife's even older than I am, and a Southerner, so I can check with her.

If I remember. :lol:...


Well, I was brought up in Florida, space coast. Not really southern, but not northern either.

And when you see that, outside of the editorial pages, it is "wrong". That's what I learned in school....


Agreed. I learned that as well.

Or just reply, "Yup that's just my opinion," when someone makes a point of pointing that out. After all, from what you're saying, you wouldn't disagree.


True, that works, too.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:08 PM

Well, I did only quote the sentence with "should" in it.



yes you did but as my wife constantly reminds me I include a bunch of stuff that I shouldnt when tring to make a point.



BTW i was not the best student in the world. I kind subscribed to the Jeff Spicoli school of thought.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 03:08 PM

Well, I was brought up in Florida, space coast. Not really southern, but not northern either.

Coincidentally, my wife spent much of her teen years on the Space Coast. You're right.... "not really Southern" (from her perspective ;)).

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:32 PM

And when you see that, outside of the editorial pages, it is "wrong". That's what I learned in school.

Yeah, then I graduated college taking a job as a newspaper reporter with all the journalist idealism I could muster.

After over a year of covering local city politics and public safety agencies, I discovered that no matter how I tried, somehow a story I wrote six months ago did have a slant if only because there was only so much room for the story plus I honestly heard and saw things differently than many others heard and saw them. Idealism gone, I went on to other things after 18 months and today accept serious-in-the-field news reporters as just people trying hard and the folks we see on TV mostly sitting in chairs as entertainers.

In more recent times studies have determined that the only thing consistently less reliable than an eyewitness is...nothing. And camera's have a limited breadth of vision and audio pickup, and pause and on and off buttons, not to mention the ability of an editor to modify the video after the camera's off.

Frequently what witnesses and cameras didn't see and hear is more important than what they did see and hear. Most of the time I assume that I must really work to find out "the rest of the story," to borrow a phrase from the late Paul Harvey.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 08:12 PM

I can see why NBC is interested in retooling old shows, such as The Rockford Files, as these shows have built-in name recognition and can instantly garner attention and what they really want, a large audience for the premiere episode. They don't need to spend a lot of time explaining the show, either.

However, I'd be happier if NBC, and the other networks, invested more in original scripted programming. I want "new", not "re-purposed" ...

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 04:17 AM

I think I came to the realization that there was no such thing as "new" when I read a book explaining how JRR Tolkien essential just wove together bits of old mythology to come up with Lord of the Rings. :)

Seriously, I think "new" is overrated. It's often just a trick, because anything that is really "new" scares too many people so much that they immediately conclude it is "bad". Most people perceive positive aspects because those aspects parallel aspects in other things that they have considered positive in the past.

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 05:06 AM

It's often just a trick, because anything that is really "new" scares too many people so much that they immediately conclude it is "bad".


Think "The John Larroquette Show". Widely acclaimed as new and innovative, touted to be one of the best new shows of it's time, but the NBC suits got ahold of it and by the middle of the second season it was just another formula sitcom.
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