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#51 OFFLINE   Brit_in_WV

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 11:24 AM

Has anyone noticed that the audio on WOWK 13 is only 2 channel even when 5.1
is the norm. on HD broadcasts. This occures OTA also.
Herdfan, maybe you could get us an answer to this through your contact.
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#52 OFFLINE   Herdfan

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 11:56 AM

I think I know the answer. They are cheap! They were the last in the market to go HD and did so kicking a screaming. If it costs a dime more to do 5.1, then they are going to stick to 2.0 as long as they can get away with it. :(

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 12:15 PM

I think I know the answer. They are cheap! They were the last in the market to go HD and did so kicking a screaming. If it costs a dime more to do 5.1, then they are going to stick to 2.0 as long as they can get away with it. :(


ding, ding, ding, we have a winner


you guys should check out the avs forum. there is a Charleston/Huntington thread that is over 120 pages long and has been going strong since 2003. several of us were sending emails on a daily basis to Bray Cary (CEO WV Media; WOWK) wondering why they were 3 years behind in broadcasting HD. i can only assume it will now take them another 3 years to get the 5.1 equipment...

http://www.avsforum....ad.php?t=286172

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 01:03 PM

I think I know the answer. They are cheap! They were the last in the market to go HD and did so kicking a screaming. If it costs a dime more to do 5.1, then they are going to stick to 2.0 as long as they can get away with it. :(


Great answer, if they get rid of Jack Kane and Sandra Cole maybe they could come up with the extra cash.
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:01 AM

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner



Yes.

In this market, WSAZ (NBC) is the market leader because it is willing to spend slightly more than the minimum. Back as far as you care to go WSAZ has been the first one with whatever technology was new at that time. And it actually covers the entire three-state market in news and sports. Recently purchased by Gray it seems to be continuing down that path. And it has been rewarded with a local news rating that has never been less than TWICE the other two channels COMBINED.

WCHS (ABC) and WVAH (Fox) are, illegally, co-owned by Sinclair. Is there a worse TV owning chain than Sinclair? Just do the minimum and feed the network. Grade Z syndication. Minimum effort local news. I really feel bad for people in Ohio or Kentucky who are stuck with WCHS, which will carry a meaningless game from WVU's woeful conference over, not even involving WVU, over Ohio State or other valid programming. In news, its coverage area is who killed who in the bad neighborhoods of Charleston, and in sports, WVU, WVU, WVU, and then some mention of WVU.

Then comes Bray's WOWK (CBS). BC had this bad idea to put together a chain of the WV markets. Which is this market and the tiny Beckley-Bluefield-Oak Hilll, and Clarksburg market (technically Wheeling is a market, but it only has two stations and everybody get Pittsburgh TV and Parkersburg has one station). Eastern WV gets TV from DC. So he overpays by two to three times for the lowest rated stations in each town. The owners saw him coming and could not believe what they were getting. He hacked the budget to pay for it and does news that has to be watched to understand how bad it is. But its all centrally controled. People in Huntington watching some 20 year old in Weirton talking about the town getting a new cop car. MEMO: WE DON'T CARE, and the 40% of the market that is in KY or OH certainly does not care.

BTW, my software updated overnight and now the "test" channels are bannered with the HD versions of the network logos. Go ahead and launch this. It works.

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:29 AM

I also noticed the new logo's this morning. Getting closer aren't we?
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:31 AM

I'm lucky enough to get these OTA but since I live in another market...and a market that will probably NEVER be carried by either of the satellite providers, it's my only hope at the moment.

I'm also constantly amazed by the venom for WCHS and WVAH...simply amazed.

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 09:16 AM

Yes.

In this market, WSAZ (NBC) is the market leader because it is willing to spend slightly more than the minimum. Back as far as you care to go WSAZ has been the first one with whatever technology was new at that time. And it actually covers the entire three-state market in news and sports. Recently purchased by Gray it seems to be continuing down that path. And it has been rewarded with a local news rating that has never been less than TWICE the other two channels COMBINED.

WCHS (ABC) and WVAH (Fox) are, illegally, co-owned by Sinclair. Is there a worse TV owning chain than Sinclair? Just do the minimum and feed the network. Grade Z syndication. Minimum effort local news. I really feel bad for people in Ohio or Kentucky who are stuck with WCHS, which will carry a meaningless game from WVU's woeful conference over, not even involving WVU, over Ohio State or other valid programming. In news, its coverage area is who killed who in the bad neighborhoods of Charleston, and in sports, WVU, WVU, WVU, and then some mention of WVU.

Then comes Bray's WOWK (CBS). BC had this bad idea to put together a chain of the WV markets. Which is this market and the tiny Beckley-Bluefield-Oak Hilll, and Clarksburg market (technically Wheeling is a market, but it only has two stations and everybody get Pittsburgh TV and Parkersburg has one station). Eastern WV gets TV from DC. So he overpays by two to three times for the lowest rated stations in each town. The owners saw him coming and could not believe what they were getting. He hacked the budget to pay for it and does news that has to be watched to understand how bad it is. But its all centrally controled. People in Huntington watching some 20 year old in Weirton talking about the town getting a new cop car. MEMO: WE DON'T CARE, and the 40% of the market that is in KY or OH certainly does not care.

BTW, my software updated overnight and now the "test" channels are bannered with the HD versions of the network logos. Go ahead and launch this. It works.


Wish Gray would spend some of that money on WTAP.Enough through the station's newscasts pull in revenue almost as large as WSAZ's news operation,there PQ and news coverage is awful. Its news broadcasts have more viewers then medium to large markets in the country that must share their audience with up to three other affiliates.As is rated the most viewed NBC affiliate,per population.

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:44 PM

I also noticed the new logo's this morning. Getting closer aren't we?

Yes we are :sunsmile: But isn't it funny how so many of us MYSELF INCLUDED ( I put that in caps because I don't want anyone to think I'm just picking on them) want D* to go ahead and Launch the HD Locals when we already have ABC, NBC, and CBS HD Locals :lol: O.K. we got them from some good information in this Forum, but we do already have them :D This Forum is just so great because of the information here I got to see several things on our Local channels in beautiful HD that I wouldn't have been able to get if I wasn't a member of this Forum. Thanks again :goodjob:

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 07:18 PM

Relevant to Parkersburg, the smart play for years has been to make WTAP a repeater of WSAZ.

Background. The microscopic Parkersburg market, DMA # 193, consists of only 3 counties. Wood and Pleasants in WV and Washington in Ohio, and only one station, WTAP, historicly affiliated with NBC (ATSC sidebands have somewhat changed the situation throughout micromarkets, including this one).

The intension in the early days of TV was for Parkersburg to join with Clarksburg's two original stations to form a single market, but the weak UHF signal never worked in the mountains and the situation on the ground ended up being what it is.

As in most of Appalachia, EVERYBODY has cable or DBS and the market maps do not reflect what stations people have actually been getting all these years. People get all the networks in various ways.

So Huntington-Charleston is DMA # 65, 479K househoulds. If Grey did the same thing with WTAP as it does with its LP Charleston repeater (WSAZ has a low power repeater in Charleston carrying the same programming, except it does a seperate newscast of only Charleston events), it would move Huntington-Charleston to DMA # 59. To national buyers of local time, the DMA size is all that matters.

Really, the amateurish B-B-OH and Clarksburg markets could be subsumed into the primary one without anyone objecting creating a situation similar to New Mexico, Alaska or Utah, with the DMA size advancing into the low 50s.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 06:20 AM

So Huntington-Charleston is DMA # 65, 479K househoulds. If Grey did the same thing with WTAP as it does with its LP Charleston repeater (WSAZ has a low power repeater in Charleston carrying the same programming, except it does a seperate newscast of only Charleston events), it would move Huntington-Charleston to DMA # 59. To national buyers of local time, the DMA size is all that matters.


With the addition of Athens County back into this market, I believe Charleston-Huntington is now the 63rd DMA...just wanted to clarify. We've picked up a few peeps...let's see how long they stay.

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 06:35 PM

With the addition of Athens County back into this market, I believe Charleston-Huntington is now the 63rd DMA...just wanted to clarify. We've picked up a few peeps...let's see how long they stay.

Well clearly D* didn't use the DMA to determine how they rolled out the local HD channels. But our turn will be coming up FINALLY :sunsmile:

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 06:44 PM

How does one get to this "scoreguide" you are referring to?

Very cornfused.

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 08:21 PM

How does one get to this "scoreguide" you are referring to?

Very cornfused.


tune to a sports channel (espn 206)
do not press exit or any other button
a red dot will appear on the right bottom corner of your screen "scoreguide"
press the red button on your control

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 08:22 PM

Scoreguide is available on most sports channels. To make it easy, tune to 206 and within a minute a box will pop up in the lower part of the screen with a red dot and "scoreguide". Press the red button and it will bring up a list of sporting events.

For WSAZ, go to NFL, Cowboys/Giants and look for the Watch Now box. Select it and then highlight and select NBC HD. It will take you to the channel if it is up. Once on the channel, press the up arrow and then use the green button to save the channel in one of the 9 boxes. You can recall it from here later.

For WOWK, go to College FB and the FL/Tennessee game.

For WCHS, go to NASCAR.

WVAH is not available as they don't have any "national" games.

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 08:54 AM

Found 31 test HD (Huntsville, AL DMA) by using the scoreguide method, BUT it shows a searching for signal 771 error. We'll see what happens.....
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 09:39 AM

Thanks...I didn't find anything but now I know how to do it.

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 04:48 PM

Would it be safe for me to assume that those of you who are seeing the "Test" channels already have SD truly local channels and are just waiting for the HD versions?

The reason that I ask is that I am located in the Bluefield-Beckley DMA. We are supposed to be getting HD locals this month as well. I have tried the "backdoor" by using the Scoreguide procedure and can find nothing.

We do not have locals available yet. Is this the reason Scoreguide method won't work for me?

Also, do the D* channel numbers match the OTA stations channel number? My local CBS is WVNS 59-1. Will my D* channel number for this station be 59-1 in the program guide when the locals are turned on?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 05:40 PM

It will be listed as 59.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 04:48 AM

Did anyone see Marshall's game on Channel 3 last night?
It was awful!!!!!!!! When there was a close up of say the quarterback the picture was O.K. or when there was a close up of a small section of fans the picture was O.K. But when the shot was pulled back so you could see both the teams on the field it was an AWFUL and I do mean AWFUL picture :eek2:

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:53 AM

As to the MU game. WSAZ just picked up the rights to these two games (it will do an away game in late November) after MU changed Athletic Directors last month, after the previous (idiot) AD would not sell any games to local TV. WSAZ had less than a month to get production equipment rented and hire the production people. These normal quality equipment and techs were already spoken for. In future seasons, standard production values will return.

As to channel numbers, this is one of the things I really like about DirecTV. Channel 3 shows up on channel 3. So in B-B-OH, the channels will be 4, 6 and 59 (they will have to do something with the sideband Fox, which is OTA 59-2, standard practive will make it channel 58 on DirecTV). At work people will ask me if I saw this or that on "channel 5". Umm, I have DirecTV, and there are at least 6 possible cable systems that "serve" different parts of the area, so what is "channel 5". Especially weird when you find out that, despite the HUGE "3", these people consider WSAZ to be "channel 5" because their particular cable bandit moves it there.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 06:50 AM

Thanks for the answers on the channel numbers fellas. I really appreciate it. I currently have the AM-21 and it uses the OTA numbers, including sidebands.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:47 AM

Did anyone see Marshall's game on Channel 3 last night?


It was awful. Oh, you mean the PQ.:lol:

One thing that was interesting was when DirecTV put up the "we know we are experiencing problems slide on SD3, HD3 had the graphic from the law firm and still had sound.

I texted a friend who works for ISP last night thanking him for those wonderful 1980's graphics.:eek2:

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 02:27 PM

I apologize if this has already been address in this threat. However, is everyone experiencing horrible picture quality on the local SD channels? The picture quality is terrible, but also the picture seems to be stretched on each of the channels. I watched a recorded Supernatural episode last night and the credits were off the screen, same with Fox (Fringe and Bones). Is this because of the pending availability of HD, or is it something I should make DirecTV aware of.

Thanks. :confused:

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:53 PM

It was awful. Oh, you mean the PQ.:lol:

One thing that was interesting was when DirecTV put up the "we know we are experiencing problems slide on SD3, HD3 had the graphic from the law firm and still had sound.

I texted a friend who works for ISP last night thanking him for those wonderful 1980's graphics.:eek2:

Oh I just knew someone was going to comment about the game :lol: :rolleyes: Hey a win is a win and Marshall hasn't been getting many wins lately so I'll take it :D I also saw the law firm graphic and I did think to switch to SD while that was on and got the experiencing problems slide myself. And has MU Football gotten so bad they had to go clear to Pittsburgh to get an ad from
a law firm :eek2: Oh and thanks to the poster who explained the game coverage was so quickly put together so the broadcast wasn't at it's best :)




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