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922 Beta Ending?


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#51 OFFLINE   olguy

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 10:27 PM

Well,
Until Dish announces otherwise, the ViP922 is in Beta testing. Posts from people on this site and other sites that bought there ViP922's off of ebay for the testing should be ignored. Posts from users that aren't offical Dish Management should be treated with a HUGE grain of salt, on there assumptions on the Beta testing status.

So GrumpyBear, are you official Dish Management? Or should we take your post with a HUGE grain of salt? Are you a self appointed semi-moderator that tells us which posts to read and which to ignore?

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 10:38 PM

So GrumpyBear, are you official Dish Management? Or should we take your post with a HUGE grain of salt? Are you a self appointed semi-moderator that tells us which posts to read and which to ignore?

This is so much fun. See a pot. Pick up a stick. Stir thoroughly. See how many knickers get knotted.


Only knickers in a Knot are yours and people who try to convince us, that they are in the Beta program but signed no NDA, or they have a ViP922 and they bought if off of Ebay, and they expect people to believe them.
Pick your stick, stir all you want, becareful you don't wad your knickers to much, you might hurt yourself.
Until you see an offical DISH Network announcement, they rest of us will laugh and chuckle at people with thier wild posts about the subject. Just keep the wildness down, as I would hate to spill a good beer while I am laughing.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:08 AM

Let's try not to get personal. Maybe the next Tech Chat will have some official news for us so we can stop churning the rumor mill for a bit.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:09 PM

So...I had a chance to get closer to the 922...it's not hooked up to the internet in our office (the internet is very dumbed down), the remote control is no where to be found (asked around but couldn't seem to find someone with an answer about it's whereabouts), and was basically told to not even think anything about the 922. Sure I could take some pictures for you, but you've seen better pictures from CES. Sorry I can't be of much help, if I can get a release date for you and maybe some training notes I might be able to pass it on, but for now I'm not much help. Deep apologies if I have got anyone really excited. But, I'm sure like everything else E* related, the 922 will be available "SOON". My prediction is that it will be available before xmas, since all of the offices around here already have a test model.

PS. I was told that the 922 is not very operational at this moment in time and that engineering is doing a software update a few times a week...so maybe they're doing their own beta testing (for once) :)
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:12 PM

Can you check at list what size and model of hard drive it using ? ;)

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 04:37 PM

PS. I was told that the 922 is not very operational at this moment in time and that engineering is doing a software update a few times a week...so maybe they're doing their own beta testing (for once) :)

While it's good to hear the boxes are out there, I really would not want to have to cope with installation in homes. In addition to the problems associated with a typical ViP install, you have to be able make it work with every configuration variation in home networks and ISPs. That just overwhelms my mind based on what I know the differences are within the homes in our family.;)

EDIT: Perhaps we'll learn more in the November 9th Tech Forum.

Edited by phrelin, 03 November 2009 - 04:43 PM.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:40 PM

Regarding installations...

I wonder how much installers will be required to setup. Considering that the 922 comes with built-in Sling... Will installers be expected to test Sling and make sure that works before they leave a customer?

Internet features might otherwise be optional... but since the 922 will be sold/hyped for its Sling capabilities... I'm thinking that might put installers on the hook for making sure that works when they set one up.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:04 PM

Regarding installations...

I wonder how much installers will be required to setup. Considering that the 922 comes with built-in Sling... Will installers be expected to test Sling and make sure that works before they leave a customer?

Internet features might otherwise be optional... but since the 922 will be sold/hyped for its Sling capabilities... I'm thinking that might put installers on the hook for making sure that works when they set one up.


We've had some "Homelink" equipment on our trucks for a couple of months, Wireless internet extensions, etc. We've also been supplied with Cat5 and I'm pretty sure that 922's will only be installed if connected to a broadband internet connection.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:16 PM

...I'm pretty sure that 922's will only be installed if connected to a broadband internet connection.


Though not said anywhere that I can find, this makes 100% sense. It's not just a flagship receiver for Dish, but one that kinda isn't as cool without the broadband connection.

I don't know how they'll verify that for sure up front (to avoid truck rolls to places that don't have broadband after all)... but I'd think it to be a good idea to not install 922 at a place where it can't really be used.

Without broadband, the customer might as well get a 722K.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 10:16 AM

I may be somewhat unusual as I have FiOS for internet and Dish for TV. My 622 is already connected to the router. It would be a simple matter to swap that out for a 922. I have been waiting and hoping for one. Might wait for the bugs to get worked out though.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:01 AM

I may be somewhat unusual as I have FiOS for internet and Dish for TV. My 622 is already connected to the router. It would be a simple matter to swap that out for a 922. I have been waiting and hoping for one. Might wait for the bugs to get worked out though.

I don't think you are that unusual at all. One of the things we have all forgetten in waiting for the ViP922, is EchoStar makes the ViP922 and wants to market the device to more than just Dish Network. Customers like you is just what EchoStar is targeting the ViP922 too.
You take off the Dish logo and just leave on the Echostar name, Cable, Fios, and other endusers wouldn't know, and could careless about who makes the ViP922, just that it has the features and supports thier provider of choice.
Benefit is Echostar market share will grow, and more marketshare is more money.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:34 PM

Without broadband, the customer might as well get a 722K.

Maybe DISH can institute a $15 per month penalty for having a 922 and not connecting it to broadband (similar to the "phone line" fee)?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:48 PM

Maybe DISH can institute a $15 per month penalty for having a 922 and not connecting it to broadband (similar to the "phone line" fee)?


I believe that the guide is going to be mostly web-related...unless I'm mistaken. I'm really leaning towards the fact that if you want a 922, it must be connected to broadband or else you cannot even have it. It'll be interesting to tell. When we have a training module come through about it, I'll be sure to pass any of that information along.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:49 PM

Maybe DISH can institute a $15 per month penalty for having a 922 and not connecting it to broadband (similar to the "phone line" fee)?

Or maybe just make a Broadband connection a requirement.
Do like Vonage does, and have a Broadband test prior to ordering one. Broadband test fails, you can't order a ViP922

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:39 PM

I believe that the guide is going to be mostly web-related...unless I'm mistaken.


I've always figured the "standard" features will work like normal, but with the new GUI we saw at CES being more fancy...

I do remember mention of perhaps being able to search online for additional info about programs, beyond what is in the satellite-delivered EPG.... but I took that to mean the "standard" 9-day EPG data would be read the same way as other receivers since the data will be there.

It was unclear to me, though, if those channel icons on the GUI screenshots were coming from the satellite, pre-programmed into the 922, or coming via the broadband connection. I guess that's something we'll find out when the receiver releases.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:40 PM

Maybe DISH can institute a $15 per month penalty for having a 922 and not connecting it to broadband (similar to the "phone line" fee)?


That could be like the old "HD-enabling" fee they used to have for the 622/722 if you didn't subscribe to an HD package. If people want a 922, but not broadband, they pay for the features they aren't able to use.:eek2:

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 02:05 PM

In the Tech Forum they let us know about the release of the 922 - wait until the next Charlie Chat.:sure:

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 02:29 PM

In the Tech Forum they let us know about the release of the 922 - wait until the next Charlie Chat.:sure:

Hmmm,
I thought the Beta test was ending? I guess all those post on other sites, were off base.
I am thinking/guessing/speculating, that the ViP922 will released after CES2010. Its right around the corner, they can show it off working completely at CES and use the fanfare as a selling tool. Plus right after CES 2010 is the yearly package/price changes.

Once again, the is all SPECULATION, on my part. Will continue to wait for something Offical from Dish though.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 03:37 PM

Just based on logic, and how companies generally roll out products...

I don't think I've ever seen a technology product like this come out "just in time" for Christmas after November. Sometimes things like PS3 or XBox will come out late in November but have already been part of a big marketing push.

A product like this, and also with Dish's past history of low supply at initial product rollout... I'd be very surprised to see the 922 this year at this point. I think an announcement at CES and then perhaps a Feb/Mar release makes the most sense at this point.

Of course I have no info to go on... but based on the lack of official word and the date on the calendar, it just doesn't make sense at this point.

Also, figuring it will require a professional install like other new receivers have in the past.. there'd likely be a logjam of scheduling issues by December.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:19 PM

Also, figuring it will require a professional install like other new receivers have in the past.. there'd likely be a logjam of scheduling issues by December.


I haven't heard anything or thought about a it requiring a professional install. Why would it need to be professionally installed? Why did other receivers in the past need it?

Just curious.

Also I would imagine that would increase the price. Is it typical to have the professional install as an option that the customer could pass on?

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:36 PM

I haven't heard anything or thought about a it requiring a professional install. Why would it need to be professionally installed? Why did other receivers in the past need it?

Just curious.

Also I would imagine that would increase the price. Is it typical to have the professional install as an option that the customer could pass on?

And if you have had the experiences I've had with "subcontractors" which means guys who know next to nothing technical that arrive in their own old beater pickups and who ostensibly "work for" contractors....

Even the administrative office couldn't override the Dish Network computer to send me a ViP612 to replace a second DVR (SD 508) when I already had a ViP722. So the tech and I watched some TV and had soft drinks after I "installed" it. Nice guy and learned a lot from my A/V setup.

I wouldn't let one of these guys near my network setup.:eek2: :nono2:

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 06:06 PM

I haven't heard anything or thought about a it requiring a professional install. Why would it need to be professionally installed? Why did other receivers in the past need it?

Just curious.

Also I would imagine that would increase the price. Is it typical to have the professional install as an option that the customer could pass on?


Well, for a lot of customers getting a 622/722/722K has been by professional install only. Some of us have the "receiver only" option, but a lot of people have been required to have an installer bring the receiver and set it up.

I'm just hypothesizing based upon history... and taking an additional leap that the 922 not only has the same requirements as a 722K would in terms of satellite config... but additionally really needs broadband internet to function properly.

So I can see scenarios where a customer gets a 922 and self-installs, but doesn't have broadband or has broadband issues and then Dish has to send an installer out... or maybe the customer has broadband but not at the location where the receiver is to be installed.

I'm just thinking ahead... and while I'm not a betting man... if I were, I'd put money on a professional install requirement for 922 customers.

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 11:08 AM

I think I'm kinda glad that I might still be under a commitment for my 2 612s. The 922, as advertised, is what I want since it appears that the Draco project may never see the light of day. I honestly can't remember if I had a 1 or 2 year commitment when I went from my Dishplayer 7200 to my pair of 612s and a new Eastern Arc dish. If I have a year left, that would be perfect for letting them iron out the inevitable bugs in the 922.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 09:51 PM

This forum sure went quite. Last thing I heard last spring and summer, was supposed to be out this fall. I quess perhaps after CES in Vegas I bet.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:07 PM

How much you wanna bet against later date ? ;)




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