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#1 OFFLINE   mlyles

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 09:25 AM

D* has recently added WUNC (PBS) channel 33-1. Does this mean we'll be getting more sub-channels? Would be great to get one of our all-weather locals.

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#2 OFFLINE   ladannen

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:12 AM

Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't channel 33-1 not be a sub-channel?
My thinking is that if you have 33-2 or 33-2 those would be the sub-channels.
Where I live, 3-1, 15-1, 21-1, 27-1, and 47-1 are the 5 networks (CBS, PBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX).
At least 4 have what I think of as sub-channels, like 3-2, 15-2, and 15-3.

#3 OFFLINE   mlyles

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:36 AM

33 is WUNC (PBS). 33-1 is also WUNC but it's PBS Kids.

#4 OFFLINE   litzdog911

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 12:10 PM

The digital channel must have a "-x" after it. According to Wiki ....


On September 25th, 2008, the over-the-air channel configuration became:
Sub-channel Programming
xx.1 main UNC-TV/PBS programming in HD
xx.2 UNC-KD (children's programming)
xx.3 UNC-NC (North Carolina-centric programming)[4]
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#5 OFFLINE   skylab

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 12:55 PM

In answer to the question, I hope its a resounding "no". We don't want to encourage any more of these picture degrading wastes of space.

#6 OFFLINE   jdspencer

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 01:14 PM

If DirecTV starts offering the sub channels, it doesn't necessarily mean a degrading of picture. The degrading is usually with the OTA version as there is only so much bandwidth per channel. Now if DirecTV is picking up the OTA channel, that's a whole different story.
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#7 OFFLINE   taz291819

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 01:31 PM

If DirecTV starts offering the sub channels, it doesn't necessarily mean a degrading of picture. The degrading is usually with the OTA version as there is only so much bandwidth per channel. Now if DirecTV is picking up the OTA channel, that's a whole different story.


While you're correct from an engineering point of view, in the larger scheme of things, yes, carrying them means downgrading the PQ of the main channel assignment. The only reason a station will and does do sub-channels is for revenue.

One of our local affiliates doesn't offer programming on one of it's sub-channels anymore, but only has the local time on it. Why would they ever do such thing one may ask, as it's taking bandwidth away from their HD channel? Because once the sub-channel goes black, the local cable companies don't have to carry it due to their contract. So basically, the affiliate is putting a clock on the sub-channel, in order not to lose the cable carriage.

Once Directv starts carrying the sub-channels, this gives them even more incentive. So, for the well being of the HD channel, you don't want Directv, or anyone for that matter, carrying the sub-channels.

EDIT: I'm 100% against sub-channels, and even the argument about having a local weather sub-channel doesn't hold water with me. We have two affiliates that have weather on sub-channels, but even during a time when someone needs to know about the weather (tornado warnings, flash-floods, etc), they still break into the main channel, either via crawls, OTS (over the shoulder), or flat out interrupt the programming. So, imo, what's the point of having a local weather sub-channel when you're going to interrupt the main programming anyway? All you're doing is ruining the HD picture.

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#8 OFFLINE   JoeTheDragon

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 07:19 PM

I want CLTV is not OTA but it is local and is wgn / tribune owned.

and they said / the GM to request it.




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