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#41 OFFLINE   lflorack

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 08:29 PM

But then again, they would need 4 RZ-only people to match 1 full paying package buyer.....and their train of thought may be that they could get more overall money with the full package only.

I could be wrong though....


I agree. They could be afraid that offering RZ-only, they'd pick up some people they might lose but they'd also cannibalize their existing ST customers. With a 4 to 1 cash-flow ratio difference, it wouldn't take very long to make that a failed direction.

As you say though, I could be wrong (too).
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 01:26 PM

I agree. They could be afraid that offering RZ-only, they'd pick up some people they might lose but they'd also cannibalize their existing ST customers. With a 4 to 1 cash-flow ratio difference, it wouldn't take very long to make that a failed direction.

As you say though, I could be wrong (too).

for my purposes I hope you are wrong :) as I'd be one of those who would love a RZ-only option as I live in my team's home market as well. I'm actually surprised that the NFL capitulated in offering RZ to other providers just so they could get the NFL Network carried.

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 04:19 PM

I am leaving DirecTV to go to FIOS for money savings, one of which being getting RZ for at most $100 instead of $400 right now. I just can't justify NFLST+SF to get RZ HD, I used to watch more full games than RZ but not anymore.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 01:31 PM

I am leaving DirecTV to go to FIOS for money savings, one of which being getting RZ for at most $100 instead of $400 right now. I just can't justify NFLST+SF to get RZ HD, I used to watch more full games than RZ but not anymore.


Yep if u dont have to watch entire games redzone is definately the way to go.

Id still rather watch the cowboys on the 40 yard line than the chargers on the 10 but thats what great about the options now.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 02:34 PM

I am leaving DirecTV to go to FIOS for money savings, one of which being getting RZ for at most $100 instead of $400 right now. I just can't justify NFLST+SF to get RZ HD, I used to watch more full games than RZ but not anymore.


This is exactly the customer DirecTV should be looking to retain by offering an RZC HD only option. It's a broken record now, but nobody pays for NFL ST just to get RZC. Thus an RZC only option is for those who won't get NFL ST, but want an RZC option, and are willing to leave DirecTV for that option.
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Posted 17 February 2010 - 02:42 PM

Well satracer did say there would be changes this year to it so we shall see.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 05:36 PM

I think it should be part of the Sports package just like it is on DISH and Cable. Not everyone can afford the $350 a year to get all the ST channels. I remember when ST first came out on C-Band satellite, the entire package was only $99 a year. DirecTV took it over and look what it is today. DirecTV needs to offer it outside of the ST package, as an outlet to keep people that can't afford ST, from jumping ship to cable or DISH.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 05:58 PM

I am leaving DirecTV to go to FIOS for money savings, one of which being getting RZ for at most $100 instead of $400 right now. I just can't justify NFLST+SF to get RZ HD, I used to watch more full games than RZ but not anymore.


I can't either anymore. This was my last year with ST.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 10:45 PM

Well satracer did say there would be changes this year to it so we shall see.


Yup, I'm still crossing my fingers....:)

I just wish they'd let us know....if I can get NFL RedZone or RZC separate from ST, I'd add 2 HD DVR's to my account and be set with DirecTV for many years to come :) But as of right now, come August if I don't get RedZone for $100 or less, I'm out! :D

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 11:06 PM

My contract is up in April. If they don't offer it either in sports pack or for a reasonable price compared to other providers i may switch too. I really like my directv hd at this point but it would tick me off if they don't offer it this year, considering how many other providers carry the channel.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 03:00 AM

I think it should be part of the Sports package just like it is on DISH and Cable. Not everyone can afford the $350 a year to get all the ST channels. I remember when ST first came out on C-Band satellite, the entire package was only $99 a year. DirecTV took it over and look what it is today. DirecTV needs to offer it outside of the ST package, as an outlet to keep people that can't afford ST, from jumping ship to cable or DISH.

to be fair, the reason for the price increase is that the exclusivity of Sunday Ticket demands that much nowadays. NFL TV deals never stay the same price and DirecTV knows they can bid that much and people will pay $300 to watch. Including every sports bar in America.
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Posted 18 February 2010 - 05:01 AM

Yup, I'm still crossing my fingers....:)

I just wish they'd let us know....if I can get NFL RedZone or RZC separate from ST, I'd add 2 HD DVR's to my account and be set with DirecTV for many years to come :) But as of right now, come August if I don't get RedZone for $100 or less, I'm out! :D


Same here, no reasonably priced redzone no directv.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 07:57 AM

to be fair, the reason for the price increase is that the exclusivity of Sunday Ticket demands that much nowadays. NFL TV deals never stay the same price and DirecTV knows they can bid that much and people will pay $300 to watch. Including every sports bar in America.

It sure would have been nice if my wages would have increased by 300%, during the time period that ST increased 300%. I can see cost of living increases of any product, but that type of increase has eliminated many of us from purchasing ST.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 08:04 AM

to be fair, the reason for the price increase is that the exclusivity of Sunday Ticket demands that much nowadays. NFL TV deals never stay the same price and DirecTV knows they can bid that much and people will pay $300 to watch. Including every sports bar in America.

Those prices for Sports bars are much higher than the $300 consumer prices. Not sure if they are still that way, but they used to be based on the capacity of the establishment.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 09:20 AM

I will win the lottery before Redzone is offered separately.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 09:37 AM

It sure would have been nice if my wages would have increased by 300%, during the time period that ST increased 300%. I can see cost of living increases of any product, but that type of increase has eliminated many of us from purchasing ST.


To be accurate the price of ST in 1997 was $159, last year it was $299. An increase of 88%. HD wasn't enough offered in '97, but if you wanted to compare pricing with HD you would be looking at $399 vs $159, a 250% increase, but more features are available.

Heck, I wish prices wouldn't go up, but they do.:)

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 09:43 AM

To be accurate the price of ST in 1997 was $159, last year it was $299. An increase of 88%. HD wasn't enough offered in '97, but if you wanted to compare pricing with HD you would be looking at $399 vs $159, a 250% increase, but more features are available.

Heck, I wish prices wouldn't go up, but they do.:)

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:52 AM

Those prices for Sports bars are much higher than the $300 consumer prices. Not sure if they are still that way, but they used to be based on the capacity of the establishment.


They ARE still that way, and DirecTV's big money maker on NFLST is commercial subs, with Casinos paying $50k or more per season and bars pay a ton too. NFLST for regular customers is more of a "bring you into DirecTV/keep you at DirecTV tool," (Customer addition and retention) and that is why discounts can be had. You don't see discounts for commercial service though.

Customer addition and retention, and the fact that nobody would sub to NFL ST just for RZC (And thus someone who subs for NFL ST to get their out of market team is not going to drop to RZC only), means there is a chance that RZC only will be offered stand-alone or part of the sports pack.

If not now, when DirecTV's deal expires and they want to renew with the NFL and keep it a DirecTV exclusive, NFL could demand that RZC (Either DirecTV's or NFLN's version) be offered stand-alone or in a sports pack, and in that case DirecTV would comply because they love NFLST exclusivity, mainly because of commercial accounts.
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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:33 PM

It sure would have been nice if my wages would have increased by 300%, during the time period that ST increased 300%. I can see cost of living increases of any product, but that type of increase has eliminated many of us from purchasing ST.

Not many sports rights packages depreciated over that time (as did the players' wages) but, steel workers and pilots salaries have. Just the way the economy works.
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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:35 PM

Customer addition and retention, and the fact that nobody would sub to NFL ST just for RZC (And thus someone who subs for NFL ST to get their out of market team is not going to drop to RZC only), means there is a chance that RZC only will be offered stand-alone or part of the sports pack.

If not now, when DirecTV's deal expires and they want to renew with the NFL and keep it a DirecTV exclusive, NFL could demand that RZC (Either DirecTV's or NFLN's version) be offered stand-alone or in a sports pack, and in that case DirecTV would comply because they love NFLST exclusivity, mainly because of commercial accounts.


It would be nice if the NFL went with the DirecTV Redzone channel. I know why they can't but I love Siciliano (the one time I saw him).
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