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#151 OFFLINE   RAD

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:10 PM

Yeah, I know you knew that. My points was if I am going to pay for MRV, I want to be able to access the recordings on any receiver. If they are going to upgrade people, my R16 ought to be swapped out for an HR2x.


Sorry don't agree with that since that would probably raise the cost for everyone. Who know's DirecTV might have that as part of the upgrade but IMHO I don't see that happening.

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#152 OFFLINE   hilmar2k

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:23 PM

Sorry don't agree with that since that would probably raise the cost for everyone. Who know's DirecTV might have that as part of the upgrade but IMHO I don't see that happening.


So now I have this great feature that I am paying for every month, and to use it, all I have to do is upgrade my receivers?

DIRECTV needs a plan to handle that, thats all I'm saying.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:32 PM

So now I have this great feature that I am paying for every month, and to use it, all I have to do is upgrade my receivers?

DIRECTV needs a plan to handle that, thats all I'm saying.


Why?

You don't have access to DirecTV on Demand with a R15/R16. You don't have access to Media Share or TVApps with a R15/R16. You're paying the HD access charge and the HD Extra pack but you can't view those channels on a R15/R16. As I said, I don't know if they will or won't have an upgrade path for SD to HD receivers, just don't think they'll have those upgrades as part of a flat rate DECA networking upgrade package.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:38 PM

I have to admit (and please, don't hit me) that the fee is a little surprising; I had hoped that it would be included at no additional cost. I understand the "maintenance" aspect of it, but Directv already activates and maintains software on every receiver so I don't see how this additional feature requires a separate fee and maintenance. On Demand didn't require a fee but I'm sure it requires very specific programming, as well.

the only part that kills me is, this will open the door to all new functionality being a charged fee. IMO, if you are already paying for the top tier package, why should you be nickled and dimed to death?

but, it is what it is . . . . and i for one won't pay an extra penny for it; just on principle. my bill (not counting mirror/lease fees) is already pay $141 per month (HD, premeir, protection plan, setanta). and it would be $6 more if i wasn't grandfathered into the bundled DVR service.

IMO, to charge someone like me is nuts, but it is their right to ask for it. i will just take a pass and say "no thanks"
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:40 PM

I just logged in and both the wireless and powerline adapters are listed along with the AM21.

Yes, but did you actually "click" on them as if to order? Just tried it again and it can't be done.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:42 PM

Yes, but did you actually "click" on them as if to order? Just tried it again and it can't be done.


No I didn't since I didn't need to order any. Your OP said they weren't even listed anymore, that's all I checked for.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:50 PM

I really don't like charges from companies that you can't really figure out why
they charge them beyond the reason of "Because they can".

This is a lot like the DVR charge. I mean, do programming providers charge
DirecTV more for the consumers to have the right to record? I don't believe so.

So basically DirecTV charges me per month for a software feature (the
integral software feature) of a box I had to pay for, the HD DVR.... why?
Because they can basically. It's not that it's logical or fair, I mean Dell
doesn't charge me extra per month so I can save things on the hard drive of
the laptop I'm using. It's a basic function of the box I paid for, yet I pay
monthly for the feature to be "turned on" basically.

This MRV is no different... sure, DirecTV could always say the charge is to
ROI the engineering and testing time it took to write and develop the code
required to do this, but really?

I get paying for service - for channels. That's fair - providers charge DirecTV
for them... but things like the DVR fee and this new MRV fee are being
charged really for no reason other than "Because they can".

Wish more companies would be run by folks who made decisions that didn't
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 06:34 PM

I really don't like charges from companies that you can't really figure out why
they charge them beyond the reason of "Because they can".


Why do cell phone companies charge you $0.15 for a text message?

Why does Ticket Master charge you a convenience charge?

Why does your bank charge you an ATM fee?

The thing about most businesses is they are in business to make money. When an opportunity arises to do so, someone productizes it and starts charging for it. The MRV fee is certainly very similar to the DVR fee in how it is structured, so there is already a precedent with DIRECTV. Clearly they are not charging for each and every feature that is added, but it shouldn't surprise anyone that some features will not be free.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 06:38 PM

The fee sort of goes against Directv's latest ads where they chide Dish for having a bunch of extra charges.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 07:13 PM

The fee sort of goes against Directv's latest ads where they chide Dish for having a bunch of extra charges.


I was just getting ready to post that same statement. I thought how Ironic that Directv is going to charge us for this Service as they are pointing out that Dish does this so I guess it must be alright to Nickel and Dime us as they all do it in the Name Of Profits and the Bottom Line Rules!!!:lol:

I still will gladly pay for it as I have waited over 2 years for this to happen and now it is here and I Can Watch What I Want Anywhere I Want To Watch It!!!

I can also Perform Maintenance Functions anywhere on all of my 6 DVRs so that is really nice and beneficial. :D

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 07:57 PM

Why are there so many posters making this harder than it is?

You charge a monthly Fee that allows you to OPT-IN so you can enjoy the MRV Service and help defray the costs of the MRV Software. If you decide you don't think it is for you, then you just never OPT-IN and you will not be charged for it.

If you can't set up a Wired/Wireless Network, then you call Directv and they will install a Deca System and you pay for the equipment/installation.

Why should I help pay for someone's system who can't install a Network similar to mine when they didn't help me pay for my Network Environment?

How do you control it? By only allowing those who OPT-IN to be able to have access to the MRV Service. Very Simple.


Don't the DIRECTV software developers get paid regardless? There have been many software features developed and enabled throughout the many years of my service with DIRECTV. This would be - in my recollection - the first time such a fee is implemented. There are other fees of course, monthly DVR, HD access, etc. But I think there is some grey area here. Is MRV software - or is it a service? I don't think the posters are making anything harder - they are simply stating their opinion on a surprising move by DIRECTV to charge for what we are all agreeing - is a software feature.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:14 PM

Don't the DIRECTV software developers get paid regardless?


This is the worst possible arguement. They earn their pay. They have also created something their employer thinks is very valuable, along with many other people. Ultimately it is up to you and everyone else to decide if MRV is worth having.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:38 PM

This is the worst possible arguement. They earn their pay. They have also created something their employer thinks is very valuable, along with many other people. Ultimately it is up to you and everyone else to decide if MRV is worth having.


scottandregan,

Respectfully - I didn't say the developers don't earn their pay. And I do not believe anyone here is trying underscore all of the great achievements that the software developers are responsible for. I for one - absolutely, 100% appreciate all of their hard work. I'm sure we all do.

And yes - there will be some developments, such as MRV - that both DIRECTV and the customers, find very valuable. My point is - right now, MRV is a grey area...is it considered a software upgrade? I think most of us believe it is. If so, many people feel they are already paying for the equipment that is routinely upgraded and tweaked with new and better features. Then again, will MRV become a new "service?" One that is optional, such as upgrading your programming?

I think a lot of us were surprised to see the notion of a charge due to the past practice of DIRECTV software rollouts. That is the point I was trying to make. Sorry for any confusion.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:44 PM

There will be a charge for MRV .. It is optional. If you don't pay the fee, then you will not be able to view recordings remotely in another room (in the manner being discussed here)
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:49 PM

^^^^ Mod speak for get over it and move on. :lol:

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 09:23 PM

I don't think the posters are making anything harder - they are simply stating their opinion on a surprising move by DIRECTV to charge for what we are all agreeing - is a software feature.


I think a lot of us were surprised to see the notion of a charge due to the past practice of DIRECTV software rollouts.


I'm probably not helping the cause here, but admittedly, I just realized this...didn't "Game Lounge" start out as beta software that eventually became an optional service that you must pay for?
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 09:29 PM

Sorry, but it's a joke that DirecTV will be charging for this service. ReplayTV offered this as a free, standard feature of their 5000 and 5500 series DVRs literally more than 5 years ago, and from what I can see from the First Look, it even had more features than DirecTV's implementation. My friends with Uverse have had this functionality for more than a year, also for free. I am not aware of any other providers that charge for this service and I think it's a joke that DirecTV is years behind the competition then has the gall to charge for it.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 09:34 PM

Sorry, but it's a joke that DirecTV will be charging for this service. ReplayTV offered this as a free, standard feature of their 5000 and 5500 series DVRs literally more than 5 years ago, and from what I can see from the First Look, it even had more features than DirecTV's implementation. My friends with Uverse have had this functionality for more than a year, also for free. I am not aware of any other providers that charge for this service and I think it's a joke that DirecTV is years behind the competition then has the gall to charge for it.


What the competitors like U-Verse and FIOS do is charge additional for the boxes that have the capability to use MRV. As for Directv hopefully when it does come time to charge for this the service will be far more advanced than it is now. I do agree that they shouldnt charge for the way it is now but if it improves then I dont see much of a problem. Hopefully if enough people participate in the Beta some good things can come out of some free testing.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:03 PM

0x395 is not yet available as a national release. It will be available very soon.


I just forced a software upgrade, but it says 0x368 is the latest version.
When will 0x395 be available in Santa Rosa?

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:07 PM

I just forced a software upgrade, but it says 0x368 is the latest version.
When will 0x395 be available in Santa Rosa?

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With all staggered rollouts, you can't force them, since they're on different transponders.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:27 PM

This looks great over a linksys network...even high def programming.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:35 PM

Next they need to let us access our receivers over the internet like a slingbox. Like I'm in Boston and able to reach back to my HR2X back in San Diego.

If you had a router to router VPN and a very fast internet connection at both locations in theory SD viewing might be possible.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:26 AM

Nice arguments about why they shouldn't charge for MRV. Today, it's a "me too" feature that Directv is years late in providing. How do they figure they are going to charge for it, especially when it is still missing most of the features that the others already have (filtering, remote recording, etc). Now, what I would pay for is open DLNA. Let me stream from my HR recordings to a PS3, XBOX, Blu-Ray, HDTV, MediaPC, etc. and that would be worth the charge. Simply charging for a feature they should have had a year ago is ridiculous.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 01:34 AM

With all staggered rollouts, you can't force them, since they're on different transponders.
You need to wait until it's pushed to your receiver. "Could be" later tonight or tomorrow night, or...


Correct, there is no way to force a download of 0x395 at this time.
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Posted 21 January 2010 - 01:36 AM

Nice arguments about why they shouldn't charge for MRV. Today, it's a "me too" feature that Directv is years late in providing. How do they figure they are going to charge for it, especially when it is still missing most of the features that the others already have (filtering, remote recording, etc). Now, what I would pay for is open DLNA. Let me stream from my HR recordings to a PS3, XBOX, Blu-Ray, HDTV, MediaPC, etc. and that would be worth the charge. Simply charging for a feature they should have had a year ago is ridiculous.


DIRECTV is part of the RVU Alliance. That is the most likely path for any third party access to DIRECTV's STBs.
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