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C-Band at the End?


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#51 OFFLINE   Nick

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:38 AM

Y'know, this thread actually shouldn't be here. C-band pay-TV programming is just one (little-used) form of DBS, and it's not FTA... :P

For the sake of clarity, here is the description of the FTA / Non-DBS Satellite Area Forum: "Satellite Television is not just DBS Mini Dishes! Here you can discuss other satellite technologies such as C-Band, KU-Band and their related receivers, such as 4DTV along with FTA (Free To Air) MPEG Receivers."

Michael, before I posted I considered the forum in which to put this topic. I am by no means an expert in C-band, but I've been a fan of and have followed the technology almost since its inception. I appreciate your contributions in this forum and I always read your posts with interest.

...But to get this thread back into compliance, here's my FTA-based tangent. This is actually good for FTA viewers with C-band dishes for two reasons. More inactive dishes mean more used C-band dishes and equipment for sale. And as the universe of C-band viewers shrinks, broadcasters are more likely to send C-band feeds without encryption.

Let's hope that is the case. Although I've never had C-band, I always wanted to get a BUD, and secretly envied those who had one. But I am old, and even though I now have enough land for a VLA*, it's probably a little late for me to go down that path.

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:52 AM

C'mon guys, I was only playing, hence the stuck-out tongue. When a thread is seriously in the wrong place, you don't add another post to it, you click the triangle to report it to the admins. They know how to move stuff real quick! ;)
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 02:43 PM

i do not like the way the c-band dish looks!!!!!!!

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 02:44 PM

what is the c-band servise called??????????

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 02:54 PM

i do not like the way the c-band dish looks!!!!!!!

Don't look at it.

what is the c-band servise called??????????

What, are you twelve? Learn to spell, use caps to start your sentences and stop pounding the ! and ? keys.

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 04:09 PM

I've got plenty of room for a BUD, lots of wide open spaces if I can keep the deer from running into the thing and the wasps from nesting in it. My issue with them is that I'm a button pusher and channel scanner. I've got a terribly short attention span and I'm constantly changing channels. I always understood you couldn't really do that with BUDs since they had to reposition themselves between satellites for certain channel changes.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 04:49 PM

I've got plenty of room for a BUD, lots of wide open spaces if I can keep the deer from running into the thing and the wasps from nesting in it. My issue with them is that I'm a button pusher and channel scanner. I've got a terribly short attention span and I'm constantly changing channels. I always understood you couldn't really do that with BUDs since they had to reposition themselves between satellites for certain channel changes.

That is the main difference between DirecTV or DISH and C-Band, besides the size of the dish. The channels are scattered from east to west, in the Clark Belt. I retrofitted my unit with a horizon to horizon mount, rather than an actuator arm, I was a big news surfer with my unit. I kept wearing out the actuator arms.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 04:57 PM

That is the main difference between DirecTV or DISH and C-Band, besides the size of the dish. The channels are scattered from east to west, in the Clark Belt. I retrofitted my unit with a horizon to horizon mount, rather than an actuator arm, I was a big news surfer with my unit. I kept wearing out the actuator arms.

is there such a thing as a multi-LNB c-band dish that can point at several different satellites without having to move?
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 07:41 PM

That is the main difference between DirecTV or DISH and C-Band, besides the size of the dish. The channels are scattered from east to west, in the Clark Belt. I retrofitted my unit with a horizon to horizon mount, rather than an actuator arm, I was a big news surfer with my unit. I kept wearing out the actuator arms.

How does that work? How many satellites do you see at once? Can you take some pictures? :grin:

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:31 PM

is there such a thing as a multi-LNB c-band dish that can point at several different satellites without having to move?

There are some dishes that can look at several satellites at once, but they are stationary and you could never veiw all of the satellites, as it is stationary. You can see one here: http://www.global-cm...ltifeedsys.html

You could never get one C-Band dish look at all satellites at the same time, as they are located in the Clark Belt which runs around the world about 22,000 miles above the earth. So you have satellites as far west as you can see, all the way overhead and as far east as you can see. That is why most C-Band systems need either an actuator arm or horizon to horizon mount to move the dish and be able to view all satellites, but using them you can only look at one satellite at a time. This done with the use of an actuator arm that will rotate the satellite dish about 120 degrees or a horizon to horizon mount that will rotate the dish 180 degrees, allowing you to see more satellites.

They do make a C/KU Band corotor that can look at a C-Band and a KU Band satellite located at the same location without moving the dish, but both satellites have to be at the same location, An example of that is in the 125 degree slot a C/KU LNB could see Gallaxy 14 © and AMC 21 (KU) without moving the dish. Here is the one I had on my system: http://www.mjsales.n...ID=263&Cat2ID=7

I am not sure if they still make them, but at one time they made a C/KU DirecTV LNB setup that you could use your C/KU Dish to receive DirecTV also. Of course you needed DirecTV receivers and a subscription.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:37 PM

How does that work? How many satellites do you see at once? Can you take some pictures? :grin:

See my above post.

As I sold the dish in 2003, I don't have any photos of the H to H mount, only the actuator arm mount before I retrofitted my dish, it is shown in my previous post http://www.dbstalk.c...266&postcount=5
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 11:14 PM

There are some dishes that can look at several satellites at once, but they are stationary and you could never veiw all of the satellites, as it is stationary. You can see one here: http://www.global-cm...ltifeedsys.html

thanks for the info - an interesting bit from this link:

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PLEASE BE AWARE that the pictured 9-satellite reception system using a 90 cm Paraclipse round offset antenna was part of a test to demonstrate how far away from center that MPEG-2 signals could be received. We were successful in going 30 degrees left and right of center, but realize that this was under optimum conditions during clear weather, critically aligned with a spectrum analyzer, and does not provide any margin for outages during rain or other bad weather. DO NOT assume or attempt to set up a permanent system with these conditions, or you will be severely disappointed.


so much for that idea. Though I'd gotten the impression that there were only a few sats that provided unencrypted content i.e. Golbecast but I suppose each satellite has some encrypted and some unencrypted?
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 11:55 PM

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They do make a C/KU Band corotor that can look at a C-Band and a KU Band satellite located at the same location without moving the dish, but both satellites have to be at the same location, An example of that is in the 125 degree slot a C/KU LNB could see Gallaxy 14 © and AMC 21 (KU) without moving the dish. Here is the one I had on my system: http://www.mjsales.n...ID=263&Cat2ID=7

I am not sure if they still make them, but at one time they made a C/KU DirecTV LNB setup that you could use your C/KU Dish to receive DirecTV also. Of course you needed DirecTV receivers and a subscription.

There is DMX741 for start.

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 12:09 AM

Don't look at it.What, are you twelve? Learn to spell, use caps to start your sentences and stop pounding the ! and ? keys.


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Posted 21 February 2010 - 07:31 AM

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 03:15 PM

End of an era.
So how long will it take IP to bury DBS?

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:16 AM

Are there any other cool you tube videos like that guy selling VCII equipment?
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:09 AM

According to a brief note in SkyReport today, NPS says that 10 nets, including the Cartoon Network, Spike TV, TNT and CMT will cease transmitting via C-Band on April 6. One channel (Blue Highways TV) will cease transmitting on May 1.

Sad to say, but it looks like C-band is circling the drain.

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 06:29 PM

According to a brief note in SkyReport today, NPS says that 10 nets, including the Cartoon Network, Spike TV, TNT and CMT will cease transmitting via C-Band on April 6. One channel (Blue Highways TV) will cease transmitting on May 1.

Sad to say, but it looks like C-band is circling the drain.

So how will they be broadcasting then?

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:40 PM

So C-band is going, OTA is being threatened. Wire line telephones are dropping like flies.
We live in interesting times.

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:49 PM

So C-band is going, OTA is being threatened. Wire line telephones are dropping like flies.
We live in interesting times.

Changing times and technology. Just like newspapers subscriptions and constantly getting smaller, mail not going to be delivered on Saturday or analog TVs becoming extinct. As newer technology come into play, the old goes out.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:48 PM

According to a brief note in SkyReport today, NPS says that 10 nets, including the Cartoon Network, Spike TV, TNT and CMT will cease transmitting via C-Band on April 6. One channel (Blue Highways TV) will cease transmitting on May 1.

Sad to say, but it looks like C-band is circling the drain.


no it isn't

Those stations were gathered, compressed like hell and resold by NPS...the people who are getting out of C-Band because Charlie is in bed with them and he wants a ring now.

These stations could be picked up by other providers (Skyvision and SRL)

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:49 PM

So C-band is going,


no it isn't

Now the heck do you think Dish, Direct and cable companies get most of the national channels?

yep...C-Band :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 12:36 AM

Sad to say, but it looks like C-band is circling the drain.


There is PLENTY of free stuff to watch on C-band, not to mention all the wild feeds of professional and college sports and news feeds. C-band isn't going anywhere.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 12:48 PM

SkyReport
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Another round of programming is going dark for C-Band systems, according to a note sent to dealers from National Programming Service. Effective June 20, all Showtime channels (including 16 flavors of Showtime, four Movie Channel versions and Flix East and West) will turn off. May 1 will see Blue Highways TV leave the big dish and earlier this week WGCL (CBS), WSB (ABC), WXIA (NBC), WPIX, Cartoon Network, Spike TV, VH-1, TRUTV, TNT and CMT left the service.

NPS repeats its opinion that Motorola will cut the cord completely on C-Band subscribers by the end of this year.


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