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#21 OFFLINE   JackBauer112

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 02:10 PM

Another interesting fact is that KSBY Channel 6 in San Luis Obispo was for many years a simulcast of KSBW Channel 8 from Salinas. There even was an FCC proceeding many years ago questioning whether the license for KSBY should be pulled because the station was nothing more than a simulcast. At that time, in response to the proceeding, KSBY began to air its own newscast. However, it remained a simulcast otherwise. I am not sure when the simulcasting ended, but I believe that the stations now have separate owners, although both remain NBC affiliates.


KSBW is a Hearst station since Smith (The company that bought KSBW/Y) purchased it in 1995 but had to divest KSBY due to it being owned with KEYT (ABC) in Santa Barbara, KSBY is owned by Evening Post Company (Cordeillia Communications) but despite all of that, they still air the same affiliations and share news resources with each other. Smith/Hearst had to trade WDTN (Then ABC, now NBC) in Dayton, since Hearst owned WLWT in Cincinnati and it overlapped with WDTN and thus they could get both stations, WDTN is now owned by LIN TV.

BTW, when did KNTV get dropped from the Salinas/Monterey Markets on cable?

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 02:32 PM

KSBW is a Hearst station since Smith (The company that bought KSBW/Y) purchased it in 1995 but had to divest KSBY due to it being owned with KEYT (ABC) in Santa Barbara, KSBY is owned by Evening Post Company (Cordeillia Communications) but despite all of that, they still air the same affiliations and share news resources with each other. Smith/Hearst had to trade WDTN (Then ABC, now NBC) in Dayton, since Hearst owned WLWT in Cincinnati and it overlapped with WDTN and thus they could get both stations, WDTN is now owned by LIN TV.

BTW, when did KNTV get dropped from the Salinas/Monterey Markets on cable?


I don't recall the exact date, but it was within a few months of KNTV picking up the NBC affiliation. KNTV was carried on most or all systems in Salinas/Monterey during the time it was with ABC, and during the time it was independent/CW. I recall watching the KNTV 11 o'clock news, then it began its first NBC program--The Tonight Show. That was on cable in Salinas. I believe that it was December 31, 2001.

As a side note, many but not all cable systems in the Salinas/Monterey area also carried KGO during the time that both KNTV and KGO were affiliated with ABC. KNTV did not receive exclusivity in the Salinas/Monterey area following an FCC ruling in around 1978 or 1979, so viewers could choose either KGO or KNTV for ABC programming. Neither station was blacked out.

Anywhere between San Francisco and San Jose generally with a rooftop antenna one could receive both KNTV and KGO OTA. I'm not sure if KNTV was carried on cable in the Bay Area during the time prior to its affiliation with NBC.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:02 PM

Anywhere between San Francisco and San Jose generally with a rooftop antenna one could receive both KNTV and KGO OTA. I'm not sure if KNTV was carried on cable in the Bay Area during the time prior to its affiliation with NBC.


KNTV used the "Home Country" Rule so they could air ABC programs when it was available to Salinas/Monterey viewers. Most cable systems in San Jose have Channel 11 on Channel 3A Now Channel 3. KNTV now transmits from Mt. San Bruno so coverage will be like a hot potato wherever it may be.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:15 PM

KNTV used the "Home Country" Rule so they could air ABC programs when it was available to Salinas/Monterey viewers. Most cable systems in San Jose have Channel 11 on Channel 3A Now Channel 3. KNTV now transmits from Mt. San Bruno so coverage will be like a hot potato wherever it may be.


What is the "Home Country" rule?

I recall that KNTV had exclusivity for ABC programming in Salinas-Monterey until around 1978 or 1979, when the FCC ruled that KNTV was not entitled to exclusivity in that area. KNTV in those days had a very limited news operation, with a half-hour news from 5 to 5:30 and then the ABC news at 5:30. In those days the network news on the other affiliates in both Salinas and San Francisco was airing at 6:30 or 7:00. KNTV's local news operation covered nothing in the Salinas-Monterey area. Although KNTV tried to claim it was the ABC affiliate for the Salinas-Monterey area, it provided no local coverage and I believe that its newscast had probably no viewers in Salinas-Monterey. It touted itself as covering the news in Santa Clara County. I wonder why ABC never tried to set up a TV station in Salinas-Monterey. Although it is a small market, it has affiliates of CBS, NBC, and FOX.

Back in the 1970s, Salinas-Monterey also had translator stations on Mt. Toro that retransmitted KTEH and KQED programming to the Salinas-Monterey area. Those stations were both also carried on most cable systems in the area.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:05 AM

What is the "Home Country" rule?

I recall that KNTV had exclusivity for ABC programming in Salinas-Monterey until around 1978 or 1979, when the FCC ruled that KNTV was not entitled to exclusivity in that area. KNTV in those days had a very limited news operation, with a half-hour news from 5 to 5:30 and then the ABC news at 5:30. In those days the network news on the other affiliates in both Salinas and San Francisco was airing at 6:30 or 7:00. KNTV's local news operation covered nothing in the Salinas-Monterey area. Although KNTV tried to claim it was the ABC affiliate for the Salinas-Monterey area, it provided no local coverage and I believe that its newscast had probably no viewers in Salinas-Monterey. It touted itself as covering the news in Santa Clara County. I wonder why ABC never tried to set up a TV station in Salinas-Monterey. Although it is a small market, it has affiliates of CBS, NBC, and FOX.

Back in the 1970s, Salinas-Monterey also had translator stations on Mt. Toro that retransmitted KTEH and KQED programming to the Salinas-Monterey area. Those stations were both also carried on most cable systems in the area.

The Home Country rule is that a TV station that is licensed to a city (San Jose) should be required for cable systems to carry the affiliate in their home county where the TV station is located (Santa Clara County) but other markets opt to omit from their lineup, and while KNTV's news content consists of Santa Clara County, they sparingly went to Salinas/Monterey, even though they do not mention that they cover that area.

In the 1980's, most cable systems in the Bay Area (except for Santa Clara County) dropped KNTV. The station used the home county rule to remain on the Santa Clara County cable systems. In fact, at one time KNTV was owned by Gill Cable in San Jose.

It was a rare exception to have a station licensed in one DMA, but for network rights was serving another.

Funny thing about that is on air, they were the "South Bay's News Leader" and "The San Jose News Channel" with little or no mention of the Monterey Bay area. They were in fact on cable in Monterey, Santa Cruz and San Benito counties and receivable on the air.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:50 PM

The Home Country rule is that a TV station that is licensed to a city (San Jose) should be required for cable systems to carry the affiliate in their home county where the TV station is located (Santa Clara County) but other markets opt to omit from their lineup, and while KNTV's news content consists of Santa Clara County, they sparingly went to Salinas/Monterey, even though they do not mention that they cover that area.

In the 1980's, most cable systems in the Bay Area (except for Santa Clara County) dropped KNTV. The station used the home county rule to remain on the Santa Clara County cable systems. In fact, at one time KNTV was owned by Gill Cable in San Jose.

It was a rare exception to have a station licensed in one DMA, but for network rights was serving another.

Funny thing about that is on air, they were the "South Bay's News Leader" and "The San Jose News Channel" with little or no mention of the Monterey Bay area. They were in fact on cable in Monterey, Santa Cruz and San Benito counties and receivable on the air.


KNTV apparently wasn't doing the greatest in the 1980s. First, it lost network exclusivity in the Salinas-Monterey market, then it was removed from most of the cable systems in the Bay Area. So KNTV was missing completely from many Bay Area televisions, and it was competing with KGO without the benefit of network exclusivity in Salinas-Monterey on those cable systems that carried KGO.

KGO, KPIX, and KRON were carried on many but not all cable systems in the Salinas-Monterey market until the mid-1990s. At that time, because of retransmission consent laws, the Salinas-Monterey stations got KGO, KPIX, and KRON removed from the main cable systems in Salinas and Monterey. The Salinas-Monterey stations felt that the San Francisco stations were cutting into their local news viewership. KTVU was not removed because it is "significantly viewed" in Salinas-Monterey, and KQED was also not removed.

KNTV is likely doing much better now as the Bay Area's NBC affiliate. However, San Jose was not a good location for an ABC station with another ABC station located just a few miles north, in San Francisco.

Another interesting fact is that KSBW in Salinas in the early 1980s moved its transmitter from Fremont Peak in Salinas north to the Santa Cruz mountains. This allowed KSBW to directly compete in the Bay Area market OTA, and there were places in the Bay Area where, due to terrain, KSBW actually was more receivable than KRON. I am not sure if KSBW was ever picked up by any Bay Area cable systems.

Shortly following KNTV's transition to NBC, KSBW moved its transmitter back to Fremont Peak.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 01:41 AM

I am not sure if KSBW was ever picked up by any Bay Area cable systems.


KSBW was and today is only recieved in the central and southern portions of Santa Clara County (San Jose, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Campbell, Morgan Hill and Gilroy). It used to pick up their Hearst sister station KCRA in the 1970s and 80s before it had the SyndEx rule preventing them from being carried on cable. KSBW from 1985-2000 was transmitting from Mt. Madonna near Gilroy.

Shortly following KNTV's transition to NBC, KSBW moved its transmitter back to Fremont Peak.


This switch occured June 4, 2000 at 12:30 AM. This meant that they didn't want to infringe on the Bay Area stations as Salinas/Monterey is a very small market #122 and that they wanted to keep their stations local as they wanted to.

Take for instance (KCST pre-9/1988) KNSD down in San Diego, they along with most SD stations transmit from Mt. Palomar in the central-eastern part of San Diego County, Their station ID is KNSD NBC 7/39 because they are an O&O that broadcasts on Channel 39 OTA, but on cable systems in SD County they are on cable channel 7. Some areas in the LA market can recieve SD locals at night due to the fact that they are some 100 miles or so from each other, yet in some portions of LA, they can be viewed in a clear Line of Sight. That's why you see a whole lot of stations in SD with KSWB FOX 5/69, KUSI Channel 9/51, XUPN Channel 13/49 and XETV FOX 6, KFMB CBS 8 and KGTV ABC 10. At least despite some stations having their high UHF frequencies, their stations ID the cable channel position.

So in short, KSBW has the leverage of having the LOS on cable systems in South/Central Santa Clara County, but KNTV being from San Jose could only be viewed from as far south as Hollister/San Juan Bautista as it's considered part of the Monterey/Salinas Market.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:56 PM

KSBW was and today is only recieved in the central and southern portions of Santa Clara County (San Jose, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Campbell, Morgan Hill and Gilroy). It used to pick up their Hearst sister station KCRA in the 1970s and 80s before it had the SyndEx rule preventing them from being carried on cable. KSBW from 1985-2000 was transmitting from Mt. Madonna near Gilroy.



This switch occured June 4, 2000 at 12:30 AM. This meant that they didn't want to infringe on the Bay Area stations as Salinas/Monterey is a very small market #122 and that they wanted to keep their stations local as they wanted to.

Take for instance (KCST pre-9/1988) KNSD down in San Diego, they along with most SD stations transmit from Mt. Palomar in the central-eastern part of San Diego County, Their station ID is KNSD NBC 7/39 because they are an O&O that broadcasts on Channel 39 OTA, but on cable systems in SD County they are on cable channel 7. Some areas in the LA market can recieve SD locals at night due to the fact that they are some 100 miles or so from each other, yet in some portions of LA, they can be viewed in a clear Line of Sight. That's why you see a whole lot of stations in SD with KSWB FOX 5/69, KUSI Channel 9/51, XUPN Channel 13/49 and XETV FOX 6, KFMB CBS 8 and KGTV ABC 10. At least despite some stations having their high UHF frequencies, their stations ID the cable channel position.

So in short, KSBW has the leverage of having the LOS on cable systems in South/Central Santa Clara County, but KNTV being from San Jose could only be viewed from as far south as Hollister/San Juan Bautista as it's considered part of the Monterey/Salinas Market.


Thanks for the information. I had wondered why the San Diego stations labeled themselves that way.

When I lived in Berkeley in the 1980s, we had cable and the cable included as distants the Sacramento market stations. They were located on higher numbers, so they weren't that easy to locate, but they were there. And they had no programming deleted. Apparently the San Francisco stations were not receiving network programming exclusivity at that time. The cable also included some, but not all, stations from San Jose. As I recall, KICU was included. KNTV was not included, and no Salinas stations were included, although we could receive KSBW OTA.




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