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#26 OFFLINE   runner861

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:50 PM

The Home Country rule is that a TV station that is licensed to a city (San Jose) should be required for cable systems to carry the affiliate in their home county where the TV station is located (Santa Clara County) but other markets opt to omit from their lineup, and while KNTV's news content consists of Santa Clara County, they sparingly went to Salinas/Monterey, even though they do not mention that they cover that area.

In the 1980's, most cable systems in the Bay Area (except for Santa Clara County) dropped KNTV. The station used the home county rule to remain on the Santa Clara County cable systems. In fact, at one time KNTV was owned by Gill Cable in San Jose.

It was a rare exception to have a station licensed in one DMA, but for network rights was serving another.

Funny thing about that is on air, they were the "South Bay's News Leader" and "The San Jose News Channel" with little or no mention of the Monterey Bay area. They were in fact on cable in Monterey, Santa Cruz and San Benito counties and receivable on the air.


KNTV apparently wasn't doing the greatest in the 1980s. First, it lost network exclusivity in the Salinas-Monterey market, then it was removed from most of the cable systems in the Bay Area. So KNTV was missing completely from many Bay Area televisions, and it was competing with KGO without the benefit of network exclusivity in Salinas-Monterey on those cable systems that carried KGO.

KGO, KPIX, and KRON were carried on many but not all cable systems in the Salinas-Monterey market until the mid-1990s. At that time, because of retransmission consent laws, the Salinas-Monterey stations got KGO, KPIX, and KRON removed from the main cable systems in Salinas and Monterey. The Salinas-Monterey stations felt that the San Francisco stations were cutting into their local news viewership. KTVU was not removed because it is "significantly viewed" in Salinas-Monterey, and KQED was also not removed.

KNTV is likely doing much better now as the Bay Area's NBC affiliate. However, San Jose was not a good location for an ABC station with another ABC station located just a few miles north, in San Francisco.

Another interesting fact is that KSBW in Salinas in the early 1980s moved its transmitter from Fremont Peak in Salinas north to the Santa Cruz mountains. This allowed KSBW to directly compete in the Bay Area market OTA, and there were places in the Bay Area where, due to terrain, KSBW actually was more receivable than KRON. I am not sure if KSBW was ever picked up by any Bay Area cable systems.

Shortly following KNTV's transition to NBC, KSBW moved its transmitter back to Fremont Peak.

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#27 OFFLINE   JackBauer112

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 01:41 AM

I am not sure if KSBW was ever picked up by any Bay Area cable systems.


KSBW was and today is only recieved in the central and southern portions of Santa Clara County (San Jose, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Campbell, Morgan Hill and Gilroy). It used to pick up their Hearst sister station KCRA in the 1970s and 80s before it had the SyndEx rule preventing them from being carried on cable. KSBW from 1985-2000 was transmitting from Mt. Madonna near Gilroy.

Shortly following KNTV's transition to NBC, KSBW moved its transmitter back to Fremont Peak.


This switch occured June 4, 2000 at 12:30 AM. This meant that they didn't want to infringe on the Bay Area stations as Salinas/Monterey is a very small market #122 and that they wanted to keep their stations local as they wanted to.

Take for instance (KCST pre-9/1988) KNSD down in San Diego, they along with most SD stations transmit from Mt. Palomar in the central-eastern part of San Diego County, Their station ID is KNSD NBC 7/39 because they are an O&O that broadcasts on Channel 39 OTA, but on cable systems in SD County they are on cable channel 7. Some areas in the LA market can recieve SD locals at night due to the fact that they are some 100 miles or so from each other, yet in some portions of LA, they can be viewed in a clear Line of Sight. That's why you see a whole lot of stations in SD with KSWB FOX 5/69, KUSI Channel 9/51, XUPN Channel 13/49 and XETV FOX 6, KFMB CBS 8 and KGTV ABC 10. At least despite some stations having their high UHF frequencies, their stations ID the cable channel position.

So in short, KSBW has the leverage of having the LOS on cable systems in South/Central Santa Clara County, but KNTV being from San Jose could only be viewed from as far south as Hollister/San Juan Bautista as it's considered part of the Monterey/Salinas Market.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:56 PM

KSBW was and today is only recieved in the central and southern portions of Santa Clara County (San Jose, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Campbell, Morgan Hill and Gilroy). It used to pick up their Hearst sister station KCRA in the 1970s and 80s before it had the SyndEx rule preventing them from being carried on cable. KSBW from 1985-2000 was transmitting from Mt. Madonna near Gilroy.



This switch occured June 4, 2000 at 12:30 AM. This meant that they didn't want to infringe on the Bay Area stations as Salinas/Monterey is a very small market #122 and that they wanted to keep their stations local as they wanted to.

Take for instance (KCST pre-9/1988) KNSD down in San Diego, they along with most SD stations transmit from Mt. Palomar in the central-eastern part of San Diego County, Their station ID is KNSD NBC 7/39 because they are an O&O that broadcasts on Channel 39 OTA, but on cable systems in SD County they are on cable channel 7. Some areas in the LA market can recieve SD locals at night due to the fact that they are some 100 miles or so from each other, yet in some portions of LA, they can be viewed in a clear Line of Sight. That's why you see a whole lot of stations in SD with KSWB FOX 5/69, KUSI Channel 9/51, XUPN Channel 13/49 and XETV FOX 6, KFMB CBS 8 and KGTV ABC 10. At least despite some stations having their high UHF frequencies, their stations ID the cable channel position.

So in short, KSBW has the leverage of having the LOS on cable systems in South/Central Santa Clara County, but KNTV being from San Jose could only be viewed from as far south as Hollister/San Juan Bautista as it's considered part of the Monterey/Salinas Market.


Thanks for the information. I had wondered why the San Diego stations labeled themselves that way.

When I lived in Berkeley in the 1980s, we had cable and the cable included as distants the Sacramento market stations. They were located on higher numbers, so they weren't that easy to locate, but they were there. And they had no programming deleted. Apparently the San Francisco stations were not receiving network programming exclusivity at that time. The cable also included some, but not all, stations from San Jose. As I recall, KICU was included. KNTV was not included, and no Salinas stations were included, although we could receive KSBW OTA.




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