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SixtoReport: DirecTV National HD Listing


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 08:08 PM

Cool....thx.

The avs site doesnt count the 2 spanish channels as falling into the nationals group of tbs, tnt etc.

They say they fall into the cbs, abc, nbc, fox group.

Just wondering why they get counted as nationals here in the page 1 list ?


Because they're available nationally on the same channel everywhere, as opposed to via local stations.

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#242 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 08:29 PM

Cool....thx.

The avs site doesnt count the 2 spanish channels as falling into the nationals group of tbs, tnt etc.

They say they fall into the cbs, abc, nbc, fox group.

Just wondering why they get counted as nationals here in the page 1 list ?

Because they're national. :)

Would you suggest something different?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 08:41 PM

The avs site doesnt count the 2 spanish channels as falling into the nationals group of tbs, tnt etc.

They say they fall into the cbs, abc, nbc, fox group.

Just wondering why they get counted as nationals here in the page 1 list ?


Technically, Univision and Telefutura are broadcast networks (ala CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, CW, etc.), but DirecTV apparently has a NATIONAL deal with them (ala ION) that allows them to offer these channels nationwide... so for the purpose of DirecTV subscribers, Univision (402) and Telefutura (408) are national channels.

However, in the case of the Official AVS National HD Channel Lineups list, it's kind of hard to count these channels as a national channel.... not to mention that it's very possible that any non-DirecTV subscriber would most likely be unaware of their "national" status on DirecTV.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:09 AM

wrong, Telefutura is an OTA network, just like NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX.

List of Telefutura affiliates


You are correct that TF is an OTA network... That doesn't mean it's not also a "national" network.... It's a "national OTA network" in the same way that the Big 4 are national OTA networks (available in all 50 states over-the-air) but TF also differs in that it behaves as a "national basic cable network", ie. by providing silent ad cue tones every hour just like TBS, TNT, USA, etc. to its non-broadcast distributors such as DTV and filling in all commercial and promo breaks... plus hourly ID's identifying itself as a national cable service...

And it's also a "national" network in the sense that it provides national carriers, such as DTV, Dish, Fios, U-Verse, with a 24-hour continuous feed free of any local content or ever going to black (unlike the Big 4); this allows them to fill-in all the "white areas" (to reach 210 DMA's) where they do not have any local OTA affiliates.

DTV's presumed TF carriage on Ch. 74 is of the national TF feed, not the LiL feeds, which we also get additionally (on DTV) in TF local affiliate markets--- that was all I was trying to clear up...

By the way, thanks for the TF Affiliates List !.... provides good background to this issue....

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:17 AM

You are correct that TF is an OTA network... That doesn't mean it's not also a "national" network.... It's a "national OTA network" in the same way that the Big 4 are national OTA networks (available in all 50 states over-the-air) but TF also differs in that it behaves as a "national basic cable network", ie. by providing silent ad cue tones every hour just like TBS, TNT, USA, etc. to its non-broadcast distributors such as DTV and filling in all commercial and promo breaks... plus hourly ID's identifying itself as a national cable service...

And it's also a "national" network in the sense that it provides national carriers, such as DTV, Dish, Fios, U-Verse, with a 24-hour continuous feed free of any local content or ever going to black (unlike the Big 4); this allows them to fill-in all the "white areas" (to reach 210 DMA's) where they do not have any local OTA affiliates.

DTV's presumed TF carriage on Ch. 74 is of the national TF feed, not the LiL feeds, which we also get additionally (on DTV) in TF local affiliate markets--- that was all I was trying to clear up...

By the way, thanks for the TF Affiliates List !.... provides good background to this issue....


The national feed of Telefutura is already in HD on 408, right next to all the other Spanish networks. It is not and will not be on 74, it was obviously a typo. Why do you find that so hard to accept?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:43 AM

Technically, Univision and Telefutura are broadcast networks (ala CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, CW, etc.), but DirecTV apparently has a NATIONAL deal with them (ala ION) that allows them to offer these channels nationwide... so for the purpose of DirecTV subscribers, Univision (402) and Telefutura (408) are national channels.

However, in the case of the Official AVS National HD Channel Lineups list, it's kind of hard to count these channels as a national channel.... not to mention that it's very possible that any non-DirecTV subscriber would most likely be unaware of their "national" status on DirecTV.

~Alan


DTV is not the only distributor carrying the national feeds of Univision and TeleFutura..... They're also available on DISH, Fios, U-Verse, and hundreds of cable systems serving DMA's where there are no Univision or TeleFutura broadcast affiliates.....It's how they cover all 210 DMA's....

The same thing occurs with Telemundo, Azteca America and Estrella TV, the other national Spanish-language OTA networks....As well as the non-Spanish TBN, ION, HSN, and Jewelry TV---- also "hybrid" national OTA networks...

Unlike Sixto's DTV Channel Listings here, the AVS Channel Lineup is not being consistent in the criteria it is using to exclude the Spanish-language national networks from its list.....It excludes them on the basis that they are "broadcast" networks, yet it still lists the non-Spanish "broadcast" networks of TBN, HSN, and Jewelry TV---I get these 3 OTA here as well as nationally on satellite...

I don't believe they yet understand that you can be both--- a broadcast OTA network and a national cable network at the same time.... Their list should be objective in reflecting carriage of the national cable versions of these hybrid services--- such as Univision, TF, and the others listed here.. It is a disservice to anyone looking at their List to apply these arbitrary exclusions...

It just makes no sense to exclude any national channel carried by DTV (and others) simply on the basis of an outdated network definition criteria dated to the 1950's....

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:56 AM

The national feed of Telefutura is already in HD on 408, right next to all the other Spanish networks. It is not and will not be on 74, it was obviously a typo. Why do you find that so hard to accept?


TeleFutura has 3 national HD feeds (East, West, and Mountain); DTV only carries the West feed on Ch. 408....Channel 74 can be a feed other than the one DTV is carrying on Ch. 408, just like they do with ION-East (305) and ION-West (347) which are not placed next to each other ...

I don't find anything hard to accept.... I'm just giving DTV the benefit of the doubt that their Newsletter may just be correct as announced.... Has DTV announced that this TF announcement is a typo, as you say ?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:37 AM

All of today's changes are a direct map of the D10 14 national transponders. If you compare to the D10 map, it's exactly the same, except the Cinema are TEST, and SpikeTV along with transponders 9 and 10 are not mapped yet.

Nothing yet "new" in the data, which would be the two extra D12 transponders.

Today, they added the mapping for D10 transponders 9 and 10, which was missing yesterday (per above).
[U][B]SIGNIFICANT[/B] Changes: NEW (added/moved) from [B]2010-05-12[/B] compared to 2010-05-11:[/U]
  158 CINEHD  FT D11  4 1700  <------  158 CINEHD  FT D11  4 1040

[U][B]SIGNIFICANT[/B] Changes: OLD (removed) from 2010-05-11 compared to [B]2010-05-12[/B]:[/U]
 NONE

[U]MINOR Changes: NEW (added/moved) from [B]2010-05-12[/B] compared to 2010-05-11:[/U]
  124 PPV     PT D11  4 1040  <------  124 PPV     PT D11  4 1700
 9690 *MSG+HD PT D10 ?? 1010
 9691 *DTV    PT D10 ?? 1020
 9692 *SHO2HD PT D10 ?? 1030
 9693 *HBOwHD PT D10 ?? 1040
 9694 *HISTHD PT D10 ?? 1050
 9695 *A&EHD  PT D10 ?? 1010
 9696 *FSWHD  PT D10 ?? 1020
 9697 *STZKHD PT D10 ?? 1030
 9698 *DTV    PT D10 ?? 1040
 9699 *CNNHD  PT D10 ?? 1050

[U]MINOR Changes: OLD (removed) from 2010-05-11 compared to [B]2010-05-12[/B]:[/U]
  746 MLBHD   RM D11  2 1700
 
Notes: 'MINOR Changes' is movement for part-time channels
       1st column is channel number, 2nd column is channel name
       3rd column is FT=Full-Time, PT=Part-time, RM=Remapped from Another Channel
       4th column is Satellite, 5th column is transponder number
       6th column is 'slot' number, 10xx: main, 1700: hold, 0000: unassigned
And still have 10 slots open for the extra two transponders:
D10 ?? PT 9763 *TEST   1010 UnknownTP=12 engJ"R!*{["xtv:2355.ch]
D10 ?? PT 9764 *TEST   1020 UnknownTP=12  !"eng!O"R!/LlAjH12tv:3526.ch!#
D10 ?? PT 9765 *TEST   1030 UnknownTP=12 012eng1O"R!/LlAjH12tv:3527.ch!i
D10 ?? PT 9766 *TEST   1040 UnknownTP=12 @ABengAP"R!0LlAjH12tv:3528.ch!
D10 ?? PT 9767 *TEST   1050 UnknownTP=12 PQRengQP"R!0LlAjH12tv:3529.ch"

D10 ?? PT 9768 *TEST   1010 UnknownTP=13 engN"R!.LlAjH2D tv:3641.chk
D10 ?? PT 9769 *TEST   1020 UnknownTP=13  !"eng!O"R!/LlAjH2Betv:3530.ch 
D10 ?? PT 9770 *TEST   1030 UnknownTP=13 012eng1N"R!.LlAjH2Bftv:3577.ch 
D10 ?? PT 9771 *TEST   1040 UnknownTP=13 @ABengAO"R!/LlAjH2Bhtv:3578.ch!
D10 ?? PT 9772 *TEST   1050 UnknownTP=13 PQRengQO"R!/LlAjH2Bktv:3579.ch![

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:11 AM

Sixto, those a few chunks of data are just "eng" language descriptors, like "PQRengQO"R!/LlAjH2Bk" , nothing significant.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:19 AM

Sixto, those a few chunks of data are just "eng" language descriptors, like "PQRengQO"R!/LlAjH2Bk" , nothing significant.

Correct. That data sometimes contains clues to future channels.

I track it (for changes), others can ignore it. :)
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:37 AM

Will you add a description of such clues to that thread at C3 ?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:39 AM

That data sometimes contains clues to future channels.

GREAT NEWS!!! I've been waiting for LlAjH2Bk HD for a while now!!



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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:17 AM

Not sure what 9103 is (yet). D11/TP4 is one of the 4 HD transponders. Also has 158 which might be next to go, but just a guess.
[U][B]SIGNIFICANT[/B] Changes: NEW (added/moved) from [B]2010-05-13[/B] compared to 2010-05-12:[/U]

  158 CINEHD  FT D11  4 1040  <------  158 CINEHD  FT D11  4 1700



[U][B]SIGNIFICANT[/B] Changes: OLD (removed) from 2010-05-12 compared to [B]2010-05-13[/B]:[/U]

 NONE



[U]MINOR Changes: NEW (added/moved) from [B]2010-05-13[/B] compared to 2010-05-12:[/U]

  124 PPV     PT D11  4 1700  <------  124 PPV     PT D11  4 1040

 9103 *DTV    PT D11  4 1700



[U]MINOR Changes: OLD (removed) from 2010-05-12 compared to [B]2010-05-13[/B]:[/U]

 NONE

 

Notes: 'MINOR Changes' is movement for part-time channels

       1st column is channel number, 2nd column is channel name

       3rd column is FT=Full-Time, PT=Part-time, RM=Remapped from Another Channel

       4th column is Satellite, 5th column is transponder number

       6th column is 'slot' number, 10xx: main, 1700: hold, 0000: unassigned

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:23 AM

Checked system table last night - no new net#. Looks like added tpns on some Ka slots, need more time for analysis if it related to D12.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:25 AM

Checked system table last night - no new net#. Looks like added tpns on some Ka slots, need more time for analysis if it related to D12.

Yep, it would be nice to find that new D12 pid.
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:35 AM

If no new net# come, then there is no new PID for its channels. ;)

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 11:57 AM

All good stuff!

Here's the D12 prep work for the new channels. Just placeholders, not "live" (which is expected 5/19).

BTW, channel names that start with an asterisk ("*") are usually TEST and/or shortly before going "live".

Gotta figure out 9103 (3D?).
[U][B]SIGNIFICANT[/B] Changes: NEW (added/moved) from [B]2010-05-14[/B] compared to 2010-05-13:[/U]
  138 CINEHD  FT D11  4 1700  <------  138 CINEHD  FT D11  4 1020
  277 *TRAVHD FT D10 ?? 1050
  307 *WGNHD  FT D10 ?? 1040
  356 *MNBCHD FT D10 ?? 1020
  560 *HLMKHD FT D10 ?? 1030
  614 *ESPUHD FT D10 ?? 1010

[U][B]SIGNIFICANT[/B] Changes: OLD (removed) from 2010-05-13 compared to [B]2010-05-14[/B]:[/U]
 NONE

[U]MINOR Changes: NEW (added/moved) from [B]2010-05-14[/B] compared to 2010-05-13:[/U]
  721 MLBHD   RM D11 11 1020  <------  721 MLBHD   RM D11  8 1700
 9103 *DTV    PT D11  4 1020  <------ 9103 *DTV    PT D11  4 1700

[U]MINOR Changes: OLD (removed) from 2010-05-13 compared to [B]2010-05-14[/B]:[/U]
 9022 *DTV    PT D11  4 1020
 9763 *TEST   PT D10 ?? 1010
 9764 *TEST   PT D10 ?? 1020
 9765 *TEST   PT D10 ?? 1030
 9766 *TEST   PT D10 ?? 1040
 9767 *TEST   PT D10 ?? 1050
 
Notes: 'MINOR Changes' is movement for part-time channels
       1st column is channel number, 2nd column is channel name
       3rd column is FT=Full-Time, PT=Part-time, RM=Remapped from Another Channel
       4th column is Satellite, 5th column is transponder number
       6th column is 'slot' number, 10xx: main, 1700: hold, 0000: unassigned

Edited by Sixto, 14 May 2010 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 12:04 PM

Excellent update Sixto! Good to see things moving forward!
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Posted 14 May 2010 - 12:22 PM

277 *TRAVHD FT D10 ?? 1050
307 *WGNHD FT D10 ?? 1040
356 *MNBCHD FT D10 ?? 1020
560 *HLMKHD FT D10 ?? 1030
614 *ESPUHD FT D10 ?? 1010


I thought these were all going to be on D12?

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 12:32 PM

I thought these were all going to be on D12?

As as been discuss many, many times ... :)

They've been prep'ing the 80 D12 slots within the D10 guide.

Fully expect everything to shift to D12 guide data prior to launch.
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