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Congress may delay distant net reauth for another 15 days


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#26 OFFLINE   Draconis

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 02:09 PM

Back in both 1999 (SHVIA) and 2004 (SHVERA), these bills were tied to the big budget bills (omnibus appropriations) and passed. Why should this be any different?


Guess that makes sense. :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 02:22 PM

This has got to be the stupidest rule ever, if I want to pay for the feeds from wherever, why shouldn't I be able to?

I can subscribe to newspapers anywhere in the world and they will send them to me. I can log on to the internet and check the news anywhere in the world also.

It is no different than saying for instance, you can not buy any products outside your home area, that would be the end of the majority of online ordering wouldn't it? That would never fly.

Here is another example, there are several local channels that my local cable provider can give me, but directv can not because the channels are classified as being in a different market, WTF?

Just another instance of big brother telling you what you can and can not do.

Not exactly.

It's the powerful, big money NAB lobby telling Congress and the FCC what to do. Under current law & FCC rules, broadcasters own the eyes of the viewers in their DMA.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 02:38 PM

Why is this continually an issue? Why don't they just just give the satellite companies the right to provide local channels and any missing affiliates in those markets will be provided in the locals package. For example, if your market has no local ABC station, then one will be provided in the package for you much like CW is added to the packages now with Dish in areas that don't have a CW affiliate.

I think both services should be required to carry locals in all markets, then distants wouldn't be an issue, just provide the missing affiliates so each market for their $3 or $5 a month gets an ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS, and CW station.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 02:51 PM

I doubt it, they gives themselves raises anytime they please as it is.


Nope, not since the 27th Amendment was (finally!) ratified. They can only give the next Congress a pay raise. ('Course, given re-election rates prior to 2010, that's not been too far from giving themselves a boost, but still...)

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:00 PM

It drives me around the bend that 1 Senator can prevent the other 99 from voting. These aren't "rules of order" rather it is anarchy.

He didn't prevent them from voting. It was a "unanimous consent request" to AVOID voting. Why is it unconscionable that one person can stop something that REQUIRES everyone to agree?
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:04 PM

Ok, so what does unemployment have to do with satellite TV and why was that part of the bill?

Nothing, except this is the grab-bag list of stuff that they want to ignore for another month, and one senator is P.O.'d about something else the majority wants to ignore again.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:49 PM

That stupid Senator from Kentucky is the same idiot who help up the vote on the jobless claims and cobra extensions

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:57 PM

Why is this continually an issue? Why don't they just just give the satellite companies the right to provide local channels and any missing affiliates in those markets will be provided in the locals package. For example, if your market has no local ABC station, then one will be provided in the package for you much like CW is added to the packages now with Dish in areas that don't have a CW affiliate.

I think both services should be required to carry locals in all markets, then distants wouldn't be an issue, just provide the missing affiliates so each market for their $3 or $5 a month gets an ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS, and CW station.


Because it makes sense that's why. I'll be down to one network if the DNS' get shut down.

However... I had a station manager tell me that DTV could give you any channels they want if you are in a DMA that doesn't have all the networks and they choose to give you the East side or the West side instead of letting you have the ones in a neighboring DMA. Made sense to me as they would be distant if you can't receive them.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 05:39 PM

Thanks for keeping us up to date on legislative issues. Even though I've been back on cable for a while, I still have my dish(es) proudly and firmly mounted on a pole out in the south forty, but I'm still very interested in what's going on with sat.

Speaking of cable, my local Comcast just upped its HD channel count to 72, but still no MSNBC HD. I guess QVC HD and E! HD are considered more important than (not then) a channel that carries actual important programming such as "Way To Early" with Willie Giest.

I'm just sayin' :whatdidid


MSNBC has almost no viewership, it would be. a waste of bandwidth.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:49 PM

That stupid Senator from Kentucky is the same idiot who help up the vote on the jobless claims and cobra extensions


Lets keep politics out of this. He held it up because the Senate wasn't paying for it. He said he would allow it to pass, if they could find some way to pay for it instead of adding to the national debt.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:21 PM

John Eggerton's Friday night sign-off: The Senate adjourned without passing the bill, and unless they go back in session by Sunday night, the license to deliver distant networks expires midnight Monday.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 10:12 PM

There is zero chance that the Senate is going to go into session tomorrow - but - DirecTV hasn't said a word so I would think they have something worked out.

A week ago, there was a banner up on channel 395, I think. The message was talking about locals in, of all places, Kentucky but that disappeared. One would think that if the distant locals were going off in 24-28 hours, there would be a crawl or banner or something.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:05 AM

The Senate did not pass the reauthorization. According to John Eggerton, Jim Bunning (R-Kentucky) wouldn't go along with unanimous consent for the package including the STELA postponement because of other stuff in the package.

What will happen Monday, March 1? I don't know, but at least I have a link to the story (mobile version): http://mobile.multic...n_Extension.php

PS, Sorry for my earlier LiL confusion. SHVIA and SHVERA sound so much alike! :) This is about _distant_ networks, not local.


Jim Bunning is a moron. He is also single handedly holding up passage of the extension to the Federal Emergency Unemployment Benefits (EUC tiers) including Cobra which expires today. As of tomorrow it is estimated 150,000 unemployed will be without benefits and over 1,000,000 by the end of the month. He is filibustering a (for once) bi-partisan 30-day extension that EVEN THE REPUBLICANS want him to lay off (no pun intended) of.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:09 AM

Lets keep politics out of this. He held it up because the Senate wasn't paying for it. He said he would allow it to pass, if they could find some way to pay for it instead of adding to the national debt.


That's not politics, it's a fact of what he has done. 150,000 people will be without benefits tomorrow (and even some without local TV stations which is even more important :rolleyes: ) because of his principle.

This has nothing to do with politics, just a stupid stupid man who sits in his million dollar home while people lose theirs.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:37 AM

Honestly if congress doesnt pass it then sure that is a issue with our elected officials that we all need address this fall. But Directv and Dish both continue to ignore the effect this will have on their viewers. No craw, no emails, no nothing from either of them. It could very well have a larger backlash of D* because of the mounting loss of channels ei. Versus. :nono2:

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 10:02 AM

Just to clarify, Bunning just wanted to use leftover “stimulus” money to pay for the benefits. He's not against extending the benefits, it's just the way it's paid for.

http://www.cbsnews.c...ry6247981.shtml
Bunning says he wants to renew the programs, which costs 10.3 billion, but only once they are adequately paid for. (He advocates using stimulus funds.) Democrats are expected to vote to override his block early next week.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:28 AM

Speaking of cable, my local Comcast just upped its HD channel count to 72, but still no MSNBC HD. I guess QVC HD and E! HD are considered more important than (not then) a channel that carries actual important programming such as "Way To Early" with Willie Giest.

I'm just sayin' :whatdidid


MSNBC-Owned by NBC Universal.
E! Entertainment-Owned by Comcra... er, Comcast.
QVC-Owned but Liberty Media, but Comcra... er, Comcast gets a percentage of every purchase its subscribers make.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:31 AM

Something is wrong with the arithmetic (30 days after Feb 28 is not March 28)


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April, June and November,
All the rest have 31,
Excepting February alone.
Which only has but 28 days clear
And 29 in each leap year

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:56 AM

This has got to be the stupidest rule ever, if I want to pay for the feeds from wherever, why shouldn't I be able to?


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OK, let's say you decide to go into business. You choose a product that gives you an exclusive territory. No one else can sell your product in that market. You put lots and lots of money into your business. You buy (or lease) specialized equipment to operate your business. You hire a staff of experts to operate that equipment, market your product to your exclusive market and add value to the product you sell.

Now imagine that someone wants to come into your exclusive territory with absolutely no investment of time, money or resources and sell the exact same product to the same consumers you have the exclusive right to serve. Not only that, it isn't even their product to sell-they are taking the output of another person like you, in a different exclusive territory, that is designed and marketed to that territory and just wants to dump that product in your market for anyone to obtain. Oh, and that other franchisee (for want of a better term) has way more resources than you and can put out a flashier, more inviting product.

How would you feel?

You'd want to enforce your exclusive right to sell your product in your territory, right? You would not want to see all your time, money, effort and resources turn into nothing, wouldn't you? You wouldn't want to have to fire all your employees, sell all your now unneeded equipment at fire sale prices and close up shop-or worse, declare bankruptcy, right?

That's the way TV is. Its roughly 210 different stations (per network) each selling the exact same base product (the network shows) with value added features (local news, sports and entertainment as well as syndicated shows) that are tailored to the local market. While TV stations are charged with serving the public good, they are primarily for profit businesses. As my Intro to American Broadcasting professor said on day 1, "The sole reason for American commercial television is to deliver the maximum number of viewers to a certain point in time so that an advertiser can present their message."

I can subscribe to newspapers anywhere in the world and they will send them to me. I can log on to the internet and check the news anywhere in the world also.


But those newspapers are not delivering the exact same base product. They all retain the right to pick and choose what news goes where in the paper, how long the stories run and what is left in or taken out of the stories.

It is no different than saying for instance, you can not buy any products outside your home area, that would be the end of the majority of online ordering wouldn't it? That would never fly.


If you have an exclusive contract for a territory, then unless that contract is declared null and void in court, it certainly would fly, and does all the time.

Here is another example, there are several local channels that my local cable provider can give me, but directv can not because the channels are classified as being in a different market, WTF?


That has long been a sore spot with DBS providers-the unequal treatment by the FCC and Congress over neighboring locals/significantly viewed channels. Cable has been around longer, has more support in the Capitol (such as the Senator from Comcra... er, Comcaat, Arlen Specter) and has more money to throw around.

Just another instance of big brother telling you what you can and can not do.


In this one instance, we are in agreement.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:18 PM

Just to clarify, Bunning just wanted to use leftover “stimulus” money to pay for the benefits. He's not against extending the benefits, it's just the way it's paid for.

http://www.cbsnews.c...ry6247981.shtml
Bunning says he wants to renew the programs, which costs 10.3 billion, but only once they are adequately paid for. (He advocates using stimulus funds.) Democrats are expected to vote to override his block early next week.


I am very aware of that, meanwhile 150,000 people will not get benefits (and local TV - gee what's more important) today because he is the ONLY ONE in Congress holding it up. It's only a 1 month extension. Give the one month and argue about the rest of the year later. He's creating terrible uncertainty for hundreds of thousands of people as well as the states who have to constantly change their payment rules.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:19 PM

Honestly if congress doesnt pass it then sure that is a issue with our elected officials that we all need address this fall. But Directv and Dish both continue to ignore the effect this will have on their viewers. No craw, no emails, no nothing from either of them. It could very well have a larger backlash of D* because of the mounting loss of channels ei. Versus. :nono2:


I called the VP of Customer Services Office Friday and was told that they recieved a fax asking them to keep the DNS feeds on as they expect to reach an agreement very soon. She indicated that is what they planned to do. I will call back today and see if the story has changed.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:42 PM

I called the VP of Customer Services Office Friday and was told that they recieved a fax asking them to keep the DNS feeds on as they expect to reach an agreement very soon. She indicated that is what they planned to do. I will call back today and see if the story has changed.


Deffinatly all the info that can be gained would be a great help to all of us in understanding this mess. If u get any updates please let us know :)

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:04 PM

Deffinatly all the info that can be gained would be a great help to all of us in understanding this mess. If u get any updates please let us know :)


I just called back again. After a good 5 minute wait with this same office not a normal CSR I was told that the DNS feeds would not be shut off. I was told that Congress should be coming to an agreement on this very soon. Fine with me. Im pretty sure someone in this thread posted a link that said something to this affect to. D* and E* were asked to keep airing them. My guess is that they will rule on it in osme capacity by the end of next week. I plan to call my Senator's office back on Monday to see what I can find out from them.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:23 PM

I just called back again. After a good 5 minute wait with this same office not a normal CSR I was told that the DNS feeds would not be shut off. I was told that Congress should be coming to an agreement on this very soon. Fine with me. Im pretty sure someone in this thread posted a link that said something to this affect to. D* and E* were asked to keep airing them. My guess is that they will rule on it in osme capacity by the end of next week. I plan to call my Senator's office back on Monday to see what I can find out from them.


Good to hear thats for sure. I guess we will find out for sure tomorrow if DNS is staying on the air or not. Wouldnt want to be a directv or dish CCR if they shut them off tho :eek2:

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:33 PM

I believe that on the Dish Network side of the fence, the customers affected will be All American Direct customers as Dish Network no longer is in the Distant Locals business.




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