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#2141 OFFLINE   Jake34

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:31 AM

I agree with hog ota nut......I tried to post something a month or so and got message that it had been shut down and it would not let me post. I was surprised when I started getting posts again.
For me, I have never lost interest in what is going on with this. People who write to Directv and/or the FCC have been very helpful in letting us know of their responses and keeps us on top of this subject.
We cannot just give up on this and it is important to continue the pressure on Directv. If we give any indication that we no longer care, it just helps take the pressure of them.

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#2142 OFFLINE   fireponcoal

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:34 AM

I only bumped because I missed the discussion, and was frankly surprised we had gone months without a new report of an "installer" with the inside scoop.

If we don't speak up for CSN on D*, who will?


Hah. Installers do have the most accurate scoops. ;)

#2143 OFFLINE   n3ntj

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

I'm surprised we haven't had a post recently saying... 'a D* installer told me today that D* will have CSN Philly by the beginning of the NHL season in October'... ;)

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#2144 OFFLINE   wilbur_the_goose

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:34 PM

Those installer-in-the-know posts usually came from our friend la24philly. (I know he meant well!)

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:35 PM

These days the installers are predicting when the NHL season will start.
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#2146 ONLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:39 PM

An excellent question! Why indeed?! Nothing new to report...nothing new to speculate over. So, let's please just let it die shall we....


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:44 PM

We cannot just give up on this and it is important to continue the pressure on Directv. If we give any indication that we no longer care, it just helps take the pressure of them.


I haven't read all 2000+ posts, but isn't it CSN Philly that's the miscreant?? Aren't they being obstinate in order to keep DIRECTV® out? Trying to protect a closed circuit so to speak....?
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 07:19 AM

Laxguy - nobody but C* and D* know.

Nobody's talking, and I"m assuming C* and D* aren't exactly friendly.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:45 AM

Well, I not expecting the CEO or Doug or Earl or SatRacer to drop by and say anything!
But we don't seem to lack folks with opinions, some of them even right on!

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:10 AM

Perhaps this question has been asked before, but since DirecTV owns Root Sports, why don't they use those channels as leverage and provide a favorable rate if they were to add CSN-Philly? The three RS channels are in Comcast cable markets and 2 of the 3 have long term contracts with their local teams.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:50 AM

It was reported last summer, IIRC, that the Root Sports RSNs were due for their carriage renewal in at least some of their markets with Comcrap, such as in the Pittsburgh area. If Comcrap couldn't provide Roots Pittsburgh, that would have really PO'd off Pens and Pirates fans and drawn more business away from Comcrap in that DMA. It would have been a great opportunity for D* (which owns the Roots RSNs) to gain some much needed leverage in obtaining a carriage agreement for CSN Philly in the process. Of course, we don't know the particulars of the new agreement, but I believe that D* probably dropped the ball in using that renewal to get CSN Philly.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:17 AM

Not sure that would be totally legal. It is not legal to bundle unrelated channels on one end. Not sure it would not be frowned upon to trade channels. Plus if other carriers had most favored nation clauses, that could mess up a lot of things.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:47 AM

Not sure that would be totally legal. It is not legal to bundle unrelated channels on one end. Not sure it would not be frowned upon to trade channels. Plus if other carriers had most favored nation clauses, that could mess up a lot of things.


I don't know if it is legal or not, but who really cares? The FCC doesn't enforce crap and has let this issue waver.

Can easily say we'll charge the same price for Root that you do for CSN Philly...and if you restrict we'll restrict. There are ways to up the ante.

But the fact of the matter is that Directv has run the numbers and determined that they don't want to pay out the $$$$ needed to secure CSN Philadelphia. If they add the channel then they need to pay x amount each month for every viewer.....and they are not prepared for that.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:06 AM

I don't know if it is legal or not, but who really cares? The FCC doesn't enforce crap and has let this issue waver.

Can easily say we'll charge the same price for Root that you do for CSN Philly...and if you restrict we'll restrict. There are ways to up the ante.

But the fact of the matter is that Directv has run the numbers and determined that they don't want to pay out the $$$$ needed to secure CSN Philadelphia. If they add the channel then they need to pay x amount each month for every viewer.....and they are not prepared for that.


I see where you are coming from. Laws are only good when they are convenient. And damned other consequences.

Hmm. Maybe directv has run the numbers on the PAC 12, too?
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:40 AM

Interesting reading in this thread.

As someone who goes to Philly about 15 times a year (for more than 12 years now), I get plenty of opportunity to view the Comcast sports channels. I also frequent WIP radio to get some of the same "cast of characters" that appear on Comcast sports.

I'd rate their content overall as a B-, in terms of anything I would want to view over time. There is plenty of programming that consists of strongly-opinionated and virtually arrogant "sports expert commentary". There's no shortage of that. Likewise, I've seen some impressive "behind the scenes" interviews and "documentary-type" programming that is quite outstanding.

Philly is a "tough" sports town in more ways than one - and the Comcast programming seems to align with that audience. I'm not sure the same popularity holds true outside of that market.

My biggest "issue" with Comcast is their corporate demeanor...which is not exactly friendly. That has certainly contributed to no less than 1/2 of the contractual debates with other providers to date.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 04:19 PM

Their produced content is awful as is most of the chatter coming from WIP. The only reason that many(not all of course) people want CSN is for the sports that are broadcast on the network. There are plenty of inane talking heads on every RSN in the Direct TV sports pack, ESPN or even the Comcast owned NBC sports offering so any D* subscriber already has that in abundance.

Comcast is arrogant but as a company that just purchased NBC they must be doing something right. An arrogant capitalist endeavor, imagine such a thing? ;)

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:21 AM

http://www.latimes.c...0,3901099.story

Basically the requirements that Cable share with Satellite is scheduled to expire 10/5/12 and the FCC feels that everything is good between distributors.

I'm really hoping that the FCC is letting this go because there is a deal in the works which makes the old 1992 Cable Act clause useless. Then I realize this is the FCC and we're all gonna get left in the dark.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:31 AM

Nice link, good catch.

One oddity in the reporting:

competition in the distribution business. Another argument for getting rid of the regulations has been that program owners want their channels distributed on as many services as possible to reach more viewers and take in more money from advertising and subscription fees.


I wonder how do those rules prevent widening distribution? I think that's a strawman.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:29 PM

http://www.latimes.c...0,3901099.story

Basically the requirements that Cable share with Satellite is scheduled to expire 10/5/12 and the FCC feels that everything is good between distributors.

I'm really hoping that the FCC is letting this go because there is a deal in the works which makes the old 1992 Cable Act clause useless. Then I realize this is the FCC and we're all gonna get left in the dark.


well I think the RSN that the teams have a big part of the owner ship are safe.

CSN Chicago has BIG sponsorship from NON comcast tv providers and the teams have 80% owner ship
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:43 PM

I started a thread about this here




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