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#301 OFFLINE   WebTraveler

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 07:13 PM

Correct.

The DirecTV agreement with the NFL has various contractual provisions between those 2 parties.

The NFL can also negotiate an agreement with other parties.

The statement by Brian Roberts of Comcast is simply a smokescreen negotiating ploy, and he certainly knows it doesn't represent the facts.


Brian Roberts is simply just an egotistical jerk; he received the Comcast job because he is the son of Comcast founder Ralph Roberts. Brian Roberts has made it his life's passion to squash anyone and everyone. I truly believe Brian Roberts would sell his mother and anyone and anything else to further his insatiable quest for money and furthering his ego. In my opinion Brian Roberts simply is one classless act. I cringe at the fact that he will soon be the head of NBC. It will one of the saddest moments in US history when one of the most unethical and integrity challenged individuals in the world wins in his quest for NBC. Brian Roberts is the poster child for corporate greed.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 07:19 PM

Brian Roberts is simply just an egotistical jerk; he received the Comcast job because he is the son of Comcast founder Ralph Roberts. Brian Roberts has made it his life's passion to squash anyone and everyone. I truly believe Brian Roberts would sell his mother and anyone and anything else to further his insatiable quest for money and furthering his ego. In my opinion Brian Roberts simply is one classless act. I cringe at the fact that he will soon be the head of NBC. It will one of the saddest moments in US history when one of the most unethical and integrity challenged individuals in the world wins in his quest for NBC. Brian Roberts is the poster child for corporate greed.


I don't know anything about the guy but I feel for you DirecTV subs up there in Philly. Comcast has been a thorn in everyone's side for a long time, imo.
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Posted 26 June 2010 - 11:59 AM

scoop8, Amen - especially since they own 100% of the Flyers and 76ers.

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 12:41 PM

Hmmm, that's the first I remember hearing about this April 2nd date, and about the cable companies not being able to fight the ruling until March 3rd. I guess that means we should start hearing a lot more about this over the next couple weeks.


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#305 OFFLINE   wilbur_the_goose

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 05:03 PM

As much as many of us dislike C*, they server their ONLY stakeholder (their shareholders) pretty well. That's success in today's economy.

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 09:21 PM

As much as many of us dislike C*, they server their ONLY stakeholder (their shareholders) pretty well. That's success in today's economy.


As far as Comcast Philly goes, I do not think they are.

I use two pieces of information.

1. CSN is on satellite in several major markets. Philly being the only one they are completely blocking. Yet somehow, Comcast makes money in Chicago, New York, Baltimore/Washington, the Bay Area....

2. Where the teams are NOT owned by Comcast, they insist that they are on all providers. It was an absolute requirement when the Mets entered into a partnership on SNY. It was an absolute requirement when the Sox, Cubs, Bulls and Blackhawks entered into a partnership on CSN Chicago.

The first tells me they are overselling their exclusivity in Philly (especially now that Fios has CSN Philly). The second tells me that they would do better for their owned teams if they didn't keep satellite away.

What I think they HAVE done is tick people off. If they had opened up CSN Philly to satellite long ago, they would be fine. Now, they may have ticked enough people off that they don't want to deal with them if they have a choice.

I just cannot say that a business makes good decisions just because they make money. There are tons of ways that Comcast makes bad decisions that cost them money.
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Posted 26 June 2010 - 10:25 PM

As far as Comcast Philly goes, I do not think they are.

I use two pieces of information.

1. CSN is on satellite in several major markets. Philly being the only one they are completely blocking. Yet somehow, Comcast makes money in Chicago, New York, Baltimore/Washington, the Bay Area....

2. Where the teams are NOT owned by Comcast, they insist that they are on all providers. It was an absolute requirement when the Mets entered into a partnership on SNY. It was an absolute requirement when the Sox, Cubs, Bulls and Blackhawks entered into a partnership on CSN Chicago.

The first tells me they are overselling their exclusivity in Philly (especially now that Fios has CSN Philly). The second tells me that they would do better for their owned teams if they didn't keep satellite away.
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Also with CSN Chicago the over flow games have been on CLTV (comcast only for years) and later on MOJO HD as well (cable only)

And CSN + SD was and still is on all area systems and Directv had CSN + HD back when MOJO HD was being used for the HD over flow. CSN + 2 also the first time it was used was on a comcast only channel and that was on all area systems as well and there was a ad on it for the used channel complete with it's comcast number.

But With CSN Philly + / HD uses Comcast Network for over flow and they give other cable systems a hard time / bill them a high cost to get it.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 11:32 AM

Put it this way - D*/E* only have 4% of the Philly DMA. Seems pretty successful to me.

In fact, the only folks I work with that have D* other than me are guys from India, who get D* for its international programming. Local folks are like Stepford wifes - they're mindlessly following Comcast wherever it goes.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 12:03 PM

I usually don't add anything to these types of threads, as the noise from the corporate/politicians (particularly 'back east' types) are proven, as in this thread time and again, arguments totally without merit.

But, about 2 years ago, an ex-Philly inhabitant moved into my cul-de-sac, and in doing the 'welcome wagon' bit, the conversation got around to discussing video suppliers, especially as of the 15 homes here, only a couple DON'T have satellite tv (Comcast).

He said he had thought about it, but all the 'local' philly regulations and such made it virtually impossible to get installed. I mentioned that no such ILLEGAL shenanigans here, although some neighborhood associations had in the past tried to ban such (I did live in one such, and had to 'hide' my installation). The current state Atty. Gen. ® is still using our tax dollars to try and get the courts to overturn the FCC rules and regs, but most of these onerous local practices have faded into history here.

But anyway, this new neighbor finally took the plunge about a year after moving in, and in taking with him the other day, exclaimed 'why would anyone EVERY stay with cable? I'm kicking myself for not going with it a LONG time ago!'.

Well, he 'stuck' with it simply due to two things: First, it's all he ever knew, and Second, because of the ILLEGAL pressures in his old city to keep him on cable. Pure and Simple.

America is a highly mobile country, and as folks move around, they get exposed to different things.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 12:16 PM

Local folks are like Stepford wifes - they're mindlessly following Comcast wherever it goes.


Of course, it's Philly... that's why "Move Closer To Your World" will be the Action News theme song until the Second Coming-and if they can ever get the cloning thing perfected, Jim Gardener will always be the lead anchor! :lol:

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:00 PM

Put it this way - D*/E* only have 4% of the Philly DMA. Seems pretty successful to me.

In fact, the only folks I work with that have D* other than me are guys from India, who get D* for its international programming. Local folks are like Stepford wifes - they're mindlessly following Comcast wherever it goes.


Just the opposite on the New Jersey side of the river, at least with the people I work with and know. Most have either satellite or have dropped Comcast for FIOS the day it came to their area. Most of the ones that went with FIOS remember when we had good cable outlets in South Jersey BEFORE Comcast acquired them all.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:29 PM

just wondering if comcast wont carry philly then why are the cubs/philly games blacked out?

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:48 PM

dhhaines, they went with FIOS because, for some reason unknown to me, C* allows CSN on FIOS.

I could get FIOS over here in Chester County, but I really dislike VZ. I have this feeling they still think POTS is the wave of the future because EVERYTHING they market requires landline telephone service.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:55 PM

dhhaines, they went with FIOS because, for some reason unknown to me, C* allows CSN on FIOS.


Imagine if Comcra... er, Comcast DIDN'T allow Verizon to have CSN Philly. One day, ol' Brian goes to make a call in his office and gets "We're sorry, your call could not be completed as dialed. Please check the number and try again, or give us access to CSN Philly..." :D

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 03:25 PM

dhhaines, they went with FIOS because, for some reason unknown to me, C* allows CSN on FIOS.


The reason why CSN Philly is on FIOS is because Comcast can't withhold it from them.

Why it's not been on Dish or DirecTV is because of the loophole in the law (paid for by Comcast to Uncle Spector's back pocket) that said that Comcast could withhold the channel from sat providers so long as the channel itself is never delivered by satellite anywhere.

Thus Comcast legally all these years has simply told Dish and DirecTV to pound sand. They cannot do that to FIOS, Uverse or other cable companies.

What changed at the beginning of the year is that the FCC *finally* said that loophole is stupid and closed it. Thus now Comcast can no longer tell Dish and DirecTV to pound sand and must negotiate in good faith a deal for them to carry CSN Philly.

And Comcast cannot continue to withhold it from DirecTV for any reason, including their crying about Sunday Ticket which they themselves could have bid on and won the last time it was up for bid.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:47 AM

Comcast is so wrong about comparing NFLST to CSN Phila.first any body in their home market gets their NFL team games as long as they are sold out.Though this is not the case with them keeping Phillies,Sixers &Flyers games from any body in Phila area that dosen,t subscribe to them.This is especially bad since they also own the Sixers&Flyers too.On top of this not any of those 2 teams games are even made available to over the air Tv as well.As I,mentioned before at least if I subscribed to one of the NBA league pass or MLB extra inning I,couldn,t watch my teams even if it was the other teams feed.This is even a bigger problem since you would be paying for prermium for this.Hopefully we will get CSN Phila. in the near future also some people live in pockets that Comcast won,t wire a couple homes and don,t have a choice.Yes I,had a choice and better equipment and all around pic quality was worth and still is after leaving Comcast over 3yrs ago.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:26 AM

and CSN-PHILLY is the only reason i would leave comcast for fios :)
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 12:17 PM

I'd like to see E* also file a brief to try to get CSN Philly. Comcrap can't use the NFL ST argument with E*.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 06:34 PM

Why it's not been on Dish or DirecTV is because of the loophole in the law (paid for by Comcast to Uncle Spector's back pocket) that said that Comcast could withhold the channel from sat providers so long as the channel itself is never delivered by satellite anywhere.


Sorry, but that's not completely correct. The terrestrial loophole allowed providers to withhold programming from all other providers, not just sat providers. I give you the situation is San Diego with Cox and NYC with Cablevision.

They allowed VZ to carry, methinks, because VZ carries almost as much political weight in Philly as Comcast does.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 11:01 AM

dhhaines, they went with FIOS because, for some reason unknown to me, C* allows CSN on FIOS.

I could get FIOS over here in Chester County, but I really dislike VZ. I have this feeling they still think POTS is the wave of the future because EVERYTHING they market requires landline telephone service.


That's... not true. You don't need landline phone service with them to get FiOS. And if you do get landline phone service, who says it has to be POTS? They offer FiOS Digital Voice, which is VoIP.




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