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#751 OFFLINE   Grafixguy

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 10:18 AM

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 10:35 AM

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:42 PM

Mine got posted as well. The issue isn't one of Comcrap negotiating w/satellite providers -- they have weakly argued for a while that they are in negotiations w/DirecTV and Dish Network. The real question is whether the carriage agreements will be FINALIZED, and at a reasonable, fair retransmission fee. Comcrap has delayed for long enough -- now is the time for action, or there will be resulting lawsuits.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:46 PM

Mine got posted as well. The issue isn't one of Comcrap negotiating w/satellite providers -- they have weakly argued for a while that they are in negotiations w/DirecTV and Dish Network. The real question is whether the carriage agreements will be FINALIZED, and at a reasonable, fair retransmission fee. Comcrap has delayed for long enough -- now is the time for action, or there will be resulting lawsuits.


Who would sue and on what grounds? If it's now down to dollars and cents there would be nothing to base a legal case on.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:05 PM

The issue is that the FCC has revoked the transmission exception, and Comcrap still hasn't gotten their signal on satellite. If they keep delaying this through asking for outrageous retransmission fee agreements, they are treading on very thin water.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:46 PM

The issue is that the FCC has revoked the transmission exception, and Comcrap still hasn't gotten their signal on satellite. If they keep delaying this through asking for outrageous retransmission fee agreements, they are treading on very thin water.


Not satellite they what do they use to send the Philly games to Csn Chicago for NHL extra?
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:36 PM

Not satellite they what do they use to send the Philly games to Csn Chicago for NHL extra?


I asked the same question earlier about those same games being carried by CSNBA

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 10:35 AM

The issue is that the FCC has revoked the transmission exception, and Comcrap still hasn't gotten their signal on satellite. If they keep delaying this through asking for outrageous retransmission fee agreements, they are treading on very thin water.


I understand about the FCC ruling but my point is that while Comcast can't withhold their signal from DirecTV or Dish, they don't have to strike a deal with either company.

They can still ask for more money that Dish or DirecTV are willing to spend, so that those of us in the Philly market are still left out in the cold. All I'm saying is that this is now a matter of dollars and cents and since the dollar rules, I don't see what the basis for a legal case would be.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:01 AM

I understand about the FCC ruling but my point is that while Comcast can't withhold their signal from DirecTV or Dish, they don't have to strike a deal with either company.

They can still ask for more money that Dish or DirecTV are willing to spend, so that those of us in the Philly market are still left out in the cold. All I'm saying is that this is now a matter of dollars and cents and since the dollar rules, I don't see what the basis for a legal case would be.


They have to negotiate FAIRLY. That means that they can't simply charge DTV or Dish 5 times what they charge everyone else. As I've said before, I'll believe that this deal should have been approved IF I see CSN Philly available. Until then, the whole thing is big joke.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:27 AM

Not satellite they what do they use to send the Philly games to Csn Chicago for NHL extra?


Fiber Optics. For the most part the CSNs are connected to each other via fiber. They don't have to use satellite to feed each other.

Alot of the CSN HD channels are still not on satellite that DirecTV carries, they are mostly delivered via fiber, CSN Chicago HD was not on satellite till about a year ago, Sportsnet NY HD just came out in the last few months. Bay Area/California/New England/Mid Atlantic HD are not on satellite either. so CSN Philly does not need to be put on satellite in order to get on DirecTV.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:35 AM

One of the merger stipulations was that Comcast must it's programming to other providers at reasonable costs.

My interpretation of the merger condition is that they shouldn't be able to go to Dish or DTV and say give me 5x what I'm charging my own customers for their programming.

I'm sure it will take time before we see this ruling "in practice".

We are in the same boat with CSNCA, Dish dropped the channel in November because Comcast was demanding Dish Network add the channel to all of it's subscribers (AT120) whether they wanted the + part or not... which sounds to me like it is unreasonable.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:09 PM

I give it 2020.

But by that time, I'll be surprised if Comcast lets D* even get NBC at all.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 08:36 AM

From http://articles.phil...iversal-netflix

"...Regulators plainly could have gone to court to try to block the takeover, which Antitrust Division lawyers found would give Comcast "a potent tool that would allow it to disadvantage" its traditional rivals including satellite services and other cable and phone companies, and to stifle the emergence of the new breed of online video services such as Netflix.

Of course, Philadelphia sports fans don't need to speculate about how Comcast might use that kind of leverage. For years, many have complained bitterly about Comcast's refusal to share its Philadelphia SportsNet channel with DirecTV and Dish Network - a decision that the FCC estimates has depressed the satellite companies' market share in the Philadelphia region 40 percent. If FCC officials are right, the conditions the agency imposed last week on Comcast - including a new, fast-track arbitration process to settle program-access disputes - should finally lay that particular issue to rest, maybe even by baseball's All-Star break."


As usual we have a lot of "IFs" to see if this will happen. In my opinon My guess is that Comcast will eventualkly use nationwide CSNs to mount a challenge ESPN. If that would be the case we will then get CSN Philly not because of the FCC but to better their business position vs. ESPN.

Of course we shall see...not holding my breath...yada yada. Hopefully it will happen by mid 2011 or sooner!

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 08:44 AM

From http://articles.phil...iversal-netflix

"...Regulators plainly could have gone to court to try to block the takeover, which Antitrust Division lawyers found would give Comcast "a potent tool that would allow it to disadvantage" its traditional rivals including satellite services and other cable and phone companies, and to stifle the emergence of the new breed of online video services such as Netflix.

Of course, Philadelphia sports fans don't need to speculate about how Comcast might use that kind of leverage. For years, many have complained bitterly about Comcast's refusal to share its Philadelphia SportsNet channel with DirecTV and Dish Network - a decision that the FCC estimates has depressed the satellite companies' market share in the Philadelphia region 40 percent. If FCC officials are right, the conditions the agency imposed last week on Comcast - including a new, fast-track arbitration process to settle program-access disputes - should finally lay that particular issue to rest, maybe even by baseball's All-Star break."


As usual we have a lot of "IFs" to see if this will happen. In my opinon My guess is that Comcast will eventualkly use nationwide CSNs to mount a challenge ESPN. If that would be the case we will then get CSN Philly not because of the FCC but to better their business position vs. ESPN.

Of course we shall see...not holding my breath...yada yada. Hopefully it will happen by mid 2011 or sooner!

nationwide CSNs? why not call it comcast sports net one
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 09:32 AM

nationwide CSNs? why not call it comcast sports net one


With the Comcast/NBC merger complete, I think Comcast will utilize all of their regional RSN's as well as the resources of NBC Sports and rebrand VERSUS into some sort of a national Comcast SportsNet complete with a nightly highlight/sports news program.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 09:47 AM

So they might try and push a national network to complete with ESPN but, I don,t see how this keeps them from dragging their feet with Directv for the Phila. sports fan.Comcast is a joke owning both the Sixers & Flyers since they allow zero ota locally hopefully the day will come when they might sell the Sixers or & Flyers.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 03:37 PM

hopefully the day will come when they might sell the Sixers or & Flyers.


....And why would they sell either team, especially if they are making money? With the Flyers looking like being contenders for the Stanley Cup this year the value of the franchise will only go up.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 05:00 PM

I saw that Comcrap released a statement stating that the merger approval and the language contained therein about providing channel access to competitors does not pertain to CSN Philly not being provided to D* and E*. The CEO specifically said that in his statement, that I read last week. I am sure D* can prove that their penetration into the Philly market suffers from not having CSN.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 06:22 PM

I saw that Comcrap released a statement stating that the merger approval and the language contained therein about providing channel access to competitors does not pertain to CSN Philly not being provided to D* and E*. The CEO specifically said that in his statement, that I read last week. I am sure D* can prove that their penetration into the Philly market suffers from not having CSN.


I'm not sure how much more proving they need to do, this is actually pointed out in the FCC document approving the merger, page 17-18 has this quote:
(sorry, can't post URL, I havent' made 5 posts yet). It's Doc FCC-11-4 on the fcc website.

As explained more fully in the Technical Appendix, the record evidence supports a finding that without Comcast-NBCU’s suite of RSN, local and regional broadcast and national cable programming, other MVPDs likely would lose significant numbers of subscribers to Comcast, substantially harming those MVPDs that compete with Comcast in video distribution. This conclusion is consistent with our previous finding that Comcast’s withholding of the terrestrially delivered Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia RSN from DBS operators caused the percentage of television households subscribing to DBS in Philadelphia to be 40 percent lower than what it otherwise would have been.


All of which begs the question of what happened to getting this channel when the FCC "sort of" closed the terrestrial loophole last year. According to that all they had to prove was that withholding the channel would negatively effect competition.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 07:06 PM

Comcast's point is that the FCC has no standing to close the loophole. The loophole was put there by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 10:09 PM

Comcast's point is that the FCC has no standing to close the loophole. The loophole was put there by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS.


Technically, the Cable of of 1992, which first established the loophole, was vetoed by the President, but was overridden by a 2/3's majority.

However, the FCC in 2010 deemed that they were given the authority to close the loophole by section 628 of the Communications Act, to address "unfair" acts.

Did the FCC overstep it's bounds? Guess we'll find out, but probably not anytime soon.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 09:06 AM

I know that the Flyers are a high value to Comcast right now much more then the Sixers.That being said is that they could care less of the fans since they stopped even any ota locally shown games that up to 2 yrs ago did give us some on ch17 & 57.Forget pay tv there is a lot of people that can,t afford cable that leave in the city.Which will never get to see a Sixers game on tv not a one .This can not help their already low attendance and fan base .

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 05:15 PM

Ok, what is the holdup?.... the DOJ just approved the merger and we should see at least some progress by now. The Flyers come back from the all star break on Tuesday and the Phillies pitchers and catchers report on the 14th.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 06:01 PM

Ok, what is the holdup?.... the DOJ just approved the merger and we should see at least some progress by now. The Flyers come back from the all star break on Tuesday and the Phillies pitchers and catchers report on the 14th.


The merger isn't done yet. The FCC approved it, but I think the justice department still needs to approve it. Furthermore, once it is final it will likely be weeks, if not months, before anything concrete starts to show up. Given Comcast's claim that CSN Philly ain't gonna be affected by this, it appears Comcast will do whatever they can to delay, if not prevent, the channel's offering to satellite. Then, once Comcast is (hopefully) forced to offer the channel, it will probably take some weeks for a deal to be reached.

In other words, even if all goes well, it will be quite some time yet before CSN Philly appears on DirecTV.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:27 PM

The merger isn't done yet. The FCC approved it, but I think the justice department still needs to approve it. Furthermore, once it is final it will likely be weeks, if not months, before anything concrete starts to show up. Given Comcast's claim that CSN Philly ain't gonna be affected by this, it appears Comcast will do whatever they can to delay, if not prevent, the channel's offering to satellite. Then, once Comcast is (hopefully) forced to offer the channel, it will probably take some weeks for a deal to be reached.

In other words, even if all goes well, it will be quite some time yet before CSN Philly appears on DirecTV.


Justice announced approval the same day.




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