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#2151 OFFLINE   n3ntj

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:50 AM

It was reported last summer, IIRC, that the Root Sports RSNs were due for their carriage renewal in at least some of their markets with Comcrap, such as in the Pittsburgh area. If Comcrap couldn't provide Roots Pittsburgh, that would have really PO'd off Pens and Pirates fans and drawn more business away from Comcrap in that DMA. It would have been a great opportunity for D* (which owns the Roots RSNs) to gain some much needed leverage in obtaining a carriage agreement for CSN Philly in the process. Of course, we don't know the particulars of the new agreement, but I believe that D* probably dropped the ball in using that renewal to get CSN Philly.

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#2152 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:17 AM

Not sure that would be totally legal. It is not legal to bundle unrelated channels on one end. Not sure it would not be frowned upon to trade channels. Plus if other carriers had most favored nation clauses, that could mess up a lot of things.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:47 AM

Not sure that would be totally legal. It is not legal to bundle unrelated channels on one end. Not sure it would not be frowned upon to trade channels. Plus if other carriers had most favored nation clauses, that could mess up a lot of things.


I don't know if it is legal or not, but who really cares? The FCC doesn't enforce crap and has let this issue waver.

Can easily say we'll charge the same price for Root that you do for CSN Philly...and if you restrict we'll restrict. There are ways to up the ante.

But the fact of the matter is that Directv has run the numbers and determined that they don't want to pay out the $$$$ needed to secure CSN Philadelphia. If they add the channel then they need to pay x amount each month for every viewer.....and they are not prepared for that.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:06 AM

I don't know if it is legal or not, but who really cares? The FCC doesn't enforce crap and has let this issue waver.

Can easily say we'll charge the same price for Root that you do for CSN Philly...and if you restrict we'll restrict. There are ways to up the ante.

But the fact of the matter is that Directv has run the numbers and determined that they don't want to pay out the $$$$ needed to secure CSN Philadelphia. If they add the channel then they need to pay x amount each month for every viewer.....and they are not prepared for that.


I see where you are coming from. Laws are only good when they are convenient. And damned other consequences.

Hmm. Maybe directv has run the numbers on the PAC 12, too?
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:40 AM

Interesting reading in this thread.

As someone who goes to Philly about 15 times a year (for more than 12 years now), I get plenty of opportunity to view the Comcast sports channels. I also frequent WIP radio to get some of the same "cast of characters" that appear on Comcast sports.

I'd rate their content overall as a B-, in terms of anything I would want to view over time. There is plenty of programming that consists of strongly-opinionated and virtually arrogant "sports expert commentary". There's no shortage of that. Likewise, I've seen some impressive "behind the scenes" interviews and "documentary-type" programming that is quite outstanding.

Philly is a "tough" sports town in more ways than one - and the Comcast programming seems to align with that audience. I'm not sure the same popularity holds true outside of that market.

My biggest "issue" with Comcast is their corporate demeanor...which is not exactly friendly. That has certainly contributed to no less than 1/2 of the contractual debates with other providers to date.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 04:19 PM

Their produced content is awful as is most of the chatter coming from WIP. The only reason that many(not all of course) people want CSN is for the sports that are broadcast on the network. There are plenty of inane talking heads on every RSN in the Direct TV sports pack, ESPN or even the Comcast owned NBC sports offering so any D* subscriber already has that in abundance.

Comcast is arrogant but as a company that just purchased NBC they must be doing something right. An arrogant capitalist endeavor, imagine such a thing? ;)

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:21 AM

http://www.latimes.c...0,3901099.story

Basically the requirements that Cable share with Satellite is scheduled to expire 10/5/12 and the FCC feels that everything is good between distributors.

I'm really hoping that the FCC is letting this go because there is a deal in the works which makes the old 1992 Cable Act clause useless. Then I realize this is the FCC and we're all gonna get left in the dark.
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#2158 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:31 AM

Nice link, good catch.

One oddity in the reporting:

competition in the distribution business. Another argument for getting rid of the regulations has been that program owners want their channels distributed on as many services as possible to reach more viewers and take in more money from advertising and subscription fees.


I wonder how do those rules prevent widening distribution? I think that's a strawman.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:29 PM

http://www.latimes.c...0,3901099.story

Basically the requirements that Cable share with Satellite is scheduled to expire 10/5/12 and the FCC feels that everything is good between distributors.

I'm really hoping that the FCC is letting this go because there is a deal in the works which makes the old 1992 Cable Act clause useless. Then I realize this is the FCC and we're all gonna get left in the dark.


well I think the RSN that the teams have a big part of the owner ship are safe.

CSN Chicago has BIG sponsorship from NON comcast tv providers and the teams have 80% owner ship
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:43 PM

I started a thread about this here

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:39 AM

just get nfl sunday ticket online $249.00

1. cancel your directv
2. go to sunday ticket online
3. check 3 boxes that say u have never had directv or tried to have it etc.
4. use a different email address
5 get fios or watever other cable for philly sports.

done u have everything and only pay 249.00 for football one time charge.

dont worry about lying to them i did it and everything is fine.

u can run hdmi from ur cpu/laptop/smartphone to ur hdtv.

problem solved close this thread down.

dont tell me about the virtues of directv i had it for 15 years and dropped it like a bad habit.......

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:56 AM

...

dont tell me about the virtues of directv i had it for 15 years and dropped it like a bad habit.......


Interesting...a few months ago you were so ready to come back to DirecTV:

...btw i have jumped to fios about a year ago but almost certainly will return if and when the channel becomes available to directv.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:31 AM

3. Pants on fire!!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:01 AM

Interesting...a few months ago you were so ready to come back to DirecTV:


that is correct, but that was before i knew i could get nfl sunday ticket online.

Now there is really no reason to switch back especially since fios internet is part of my package. i paid for cable and directv all those years and directv shows me they dont care at all really about carrying the channel. so why would i continue with them in this market?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:05 AM

that is correct, but that was before i knew i could get nfl sunday ticket online.

Now there is really no reason to switch back especially since fios internet is part of my package. i paid for cable and directv all those years and directv shows me they dont care at all really about carrying the channel. so why would i continue with them in this market?


So glad that you are proud of lying.

Hmm, isn't this a violation of the forum rules?
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

I think tonyd79 may be correct - seems to me to be theft of service.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:03 PM

Interesting reading in this thread.

As someone who goes to Philly about 15 times a year (for more than 12 years now), I get plenty of opportunity to view the Comcast sports channels. I also frequent WIP radio to get some of the same "cast of characters" that appear on Comcast sports.

I'd rate their content overall as a B-, in terms of anything I would want to view over time. There is plenty of programming that consists of strongly-opinionated and virtually arrogant "sports expert commentary". There's no shortage of that. Likewise, I've seen some impressive "behind the scenes" interviews and "documentary-type" programming that is quite outstanding.

Philly is a "tough" sports town in more ways than one - and the Comcast programming seems to align with that audience. I'm not sure the same popularity holds true outside of that market.

My biggest "issue" with Comcast is their corporate demeanor...which is not exactly friendly. That has certainly contributed to no less than 1/2 of the contractual debates with other providers to date.


Usually when i haev WIP on its either the last bit of the overnight with big daddy graham which leads to angelo and the gang.

Basically most of CSN is on WIP, but they are old goofs,

infact angelo had alot of TV shows on Prism / CSN.

But I rather listen to angleo then the mike and mike bums on 975.

however once they are down i put 975 on when tony bruno comes on.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:51 AM

As an expatriate Philadelphian, I listen to WIP (Angelo, then Mike and Ike) when jogging in the morning. In addition to reading the electronic editions of the Inquirer and Daily News, I subscribe to ST and CI to watch the Eagles and Flyers, respectively (and also regularly access the CSN Philly website as well as numerous blogs and forums, such as Broad St. Hockey and Igglephans.)

I strongly hope DirecTV ultimately will add CSN Philly HD for two principal reasons: the ability to watch Daily News Live throughout the week (the delayed version on philly.com suffers from constant voice sync issues); the likely greater availability of Flyers and Sixers broadcasts, with home town announcers, in HD.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:59 AM

Although Philly doesn't fit the bill of multiple RSNs (for most subscribers), does the introduction of the RSN surcharge open the gate to D* finally ponying up the money for it and finding a way to pass the cost through (to us)?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

Although Philly doesn't fit the bill of multiple RSNs (for most subscribers), does the introduction of the RSN surcharge open the gate to D* finally ponying up the money for it and finding a way to pass the cost through (to us)?

My guess would be that this would have no impact. It is just a justification for them to charge more and use rising fees as a reason.
A more important thing to keep an eye on is an article written on tvpredictions.com regarding a New York District Court rejected a joint request by NHL, MLB, Comcast, and Directv to dismiss an antitrust class action suit to dismiss sports blackouts. A hearing will now be held on December 18th according to our article.
I really think lifting the ridiculous sports blackout rules is more likely at this point although I would not hold my breath on anything happening soon or ever.
You can still read the article on tvpredictions.com which was published about a week or so ago.
Any other thoughts would be appreciated by those who know more than me.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:12 PM

I can't foresee sports blackouts going away anytime soon. Sports teams and their RSNs work hard to prevent out-of-town broadcasts of one of their games from entering their markets. Would be nice to see blackouts end, though as it would be much more fan friendly as some aspects.

Back to the topic at hand.. I am guessing there's been no update on D*/Comcrap working on anything regarding CSN Philly. Either Comcrap pays their lawyers well or D* doesn't want to put $$ into fighting this. I thought there were already cases/decisions that prevented this loophole from existing anymore.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:00 PM

I can't foresee sports blackouts going away anytime soon. Sports teams and their RSNs work hard to prevent out-of-town broadcasts of one of their games from entering their markets. Would be nice to see blackouts end, though as it would be much more fan friendly as some aspects.

Back to the topic at hand.. I am guessing there's been no update on D*/Comcrap working on anything regarding CSN Philly. Either Comcrap pays their lawyers well or D* doesn't want to put $$ into fighting this. I thought there were already cases/decisions that prevented this loophole from existing anymore.


well the game does not sell out part may come under challenge.

Now the 'outside' market part has lot's of issues that some time show up with things like inner / outer market / outer rings.

MLB territorys needs to be rework way to many areas where a team clams areas that don't have that teams RSN feed or the system cut the games out as they don't want to pay the fees for just being in the outer rings.

Odd how you can get the games for one team in area on a OTA hook up but are blacked on the RSN channel and there are other areas where you are out of the OTA range (without some zip code cheating Dish / direct only) but get the RSN games. WGN 9 / WCIU needs a feed for people in a teams are but out of the OTA range. Atlanta Braves used to have some thing like this.

Odd how when you cross the WI state line the bulls get black out but you can see all other sports on CSN but you can get all the bulls games on WGN / WCIU OTA.

Now at the very least with a out of market pack you should get all games with no black out's*. *only blacked out if a feed is on your system on a local OTA channel (must be on the system not just able to be picked up with your own OTA hook up) or local RSN channel (on the system).

With what the Las Vegas sports books pay they should get it all with no black outs at all.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:59 PM

So glad that you are proud of lying.

Hmm, isn't this a violation of the forum rules?


i am not proud of lying im proud and happy that i finally have it all together with one provider.

Please lying to Directv lol thay dont care one bit i paid $250.00 for the service so its not theft either dude.

i offer you guys a solution instead of crying on and on in this thread which accomplished nothing and has gone on forever...................

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

Nothing new from the CSN Philly/D* issue? Why hasn't D* petitioned the FCC about carriage due to the loophole ending a few years ago? I don't think D* will get carriage any other way as Comcrap plays hardball otherwise and uses bogus reasons to not agree (such as NFL ST).

I believe such petitioning to the FCC is public record.

I understand, however, that consumers would have no idea of what's going in the background with this issue unless:
1. Either D* or Comcrap were to make some sort of announcement (about ongoing discussions or a carriage agreement), or
2. CSN Philly was all of a sudden added to D*.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

Nothing new from the CSN Philly/D* issue?


I'll be selling solar panels on the dark side of the moon before that happens.

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